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    Re: NY Auto Show: SL 65 AMG

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    ///AMG Mercedes said:
    It sure is

    Pity it doesn't apply to wives.




    Nobody told Henry VIII that!

    fritz

    To be honest..

    the new 911 (997) makes the SL look like trash.

    To be honest..

    the new 911 (997) makes the SL look like trash.

    Re: To be honest..

    Dude, what you been smoking?

    Re: To be honest..

    Dude, what you been smoking?

    Re: To be honest..

    Quote:
    ///AMG Mercedes said:
    Dude, what you been smoking?



    Yeh, M5er. What you been smokin'?

    Even the old 911 (996) made the SL look like trash!

    fritz

    Re: To be honest..

    Quote:
    ///AMG Mercedes said:
    Dude, what you been smoking?



    Yeh, M5er. What you been smokin'?

    Even the old 911 (996) made the SL look like trash!

    fritz

    Re: To be honest..

    Quote:
    ///AMG Mercedes said:
    Dude, what you been smoking?



    Something thats better than what your'e smoking. Thats for sure. Fritz, it sounds like you are reffering to the pervious Benz SL (R129).

    Re: To be honest..

    Quote:
    ///AMG Mercedes said:
    Dude, what you been smoking?



    Something thats better than what your'e smoking. Thats for sure. Fritz, it sounds like you are reffering to the pervious Benz SL (R129).

    Re: To be honest..

    Quote:
    M5er said:
    Fritz, it sounds like you are reffering to the pervious Benz SL (R129).



    Unlike the R129 I'm a non-smoker!

    I was just trumping Bilal's call.

    fritz

    Re: To be honest..

    Quote:
    M5er said:
    Fritz, it sounds like you are reffering to the pervious Benz SL (R129).



    Unlike the R129 I'm a non-smoker!

    I was just trumping Bilal's call.

    fritz

    Re: To be honest..

    Two very different shapes IMO, owning both, I can tell you that the SL is the most elegant, the most classy shape and the one that turns the most heads, top up or down.
    The 911 is typically 911, not particularly beautiful, but unmistakably 911, sporty and timeless, I love both!
    No need to smoke anything to express an opinion kids!

    Re: To be honest..

    Two very different shapes IMO, owning both, I can tell you that the SL is the most elegant, the most classy shape and the one that turns the most heads, top up or down.
    The 911 is typically 911, not particularly beautiful, but unmistakably 911, sporty and timeless, I love both!
    No need to smoke anything to express an opinion kids!

    Re: To be honest..

    Im not saying that the SL is an ugly car at all. I LOVE THE NEW SL! But, the 911 does more for me visually. More of what I look for in a car.

    Re: To be honest..

    Im not saying that the SL is an ugly car at all. I LOVE THE NEW SL! But, the 911 does more for me visually. More of what I look for in a car.

    Re: To be honest..

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    Fanch said:
    Two very different shapes IMO, owning both, I can tell you that the SL is the most elegant, the most classy shape and the one that turns the most heads, top up or down.
    The 911 is typically 911, not particularly beautiful, but unmistakably 911, sporty and timeless, I love both!
    No need to smoke anything to express an opinion kids!



    Right. The SL is NOT an ugly car, it is actually one of the most beautiful cars Mercedes has ever built. I like it and this comes out of the mouth of a Porsche hardliner.
    If they'd made it 300 kg lighter and with a more refined suspension setup, it would have been the hell of a sports car. Imagine a SL65 with a Porsche steering feel and 1700 kg weight. Wow!

    Re: To be honest..

    Quote:
    Fanch said:
    Two very different shapes IMO, owning both, I can tell you that the SL is the most elegant, the most classy shape and the one that turns the most heads, top up or down.
    The 911 is typically 911, not particularly beautiful, but unmistakably 911, sporty and timeless, I love both!
    No need to smoke anything to express an opinion kids!



    Right. The SL is NOT an ugly car, it is actually one of the most beautiful cars Mercedes has ever built. I like it and this comes out of the mouth of a Porsche hardliner.
    If they'd made it 300 kg lighter and with a more refined suspension setup, it would have been the hell of a sports car. Imagine a SL65 with a Porsche steering feel and 1700 kg weight. Wow!

    Re: To be honest..

    Thats just it RC that cannot happen.

    The torque of the AMG motors doesn't allow them to be installed in just any car, the transmission, crankshaft, rear subframe all require *extensive* reinforcement. MB's prioirity, wrong at times, is to always focus on bringing the latest tech and gadgets onto a car. They do not invest heavily in new lighter materials like alumiunum and composite steel. Then once an SL500 is fully tricked out with gadgets they send this car to AMG and ask them to make it outaccelerate a Porsche 911 GT2.

    Add the weight of new tech to the weight of a regularly constructed car and you end up with somewhere near 1800kgs. Give it to AMG, what is required? A 1000nm at 1800rpm producing motor...done. Now place engine into car, do all rewuired driveline reinforcements, what do you have? A 200mph+ two ton beast. Thats not all, add 18inch brakes, 19inch heavy alloys, and what do you have? The SL65.

    The bets asset of the SL, handling wise is its roof, it gives the SL55 near perfect 48:52 front:rear weight distribution, but the 2 tons offsets this completely.


    You can have a stripped out SL, with no tech, which will weigh something in the reigion of 1700kgs, but with a 6.0L V12 Bi-Turbo up front, you ain't gonna get ANY steering feel. Why do you think cars like the 360, 911 Gallardo, and all supercars have loads of steering feel? Engine in back thats why. And frankly, unless Mercedes starts building a rear engined car to give to AMG to modify, you're not going to get any steering feel anytime sooon

    As for designs, its all objective, IMO all the recent MB designs are so damn good, they get admiration from even Ford fans!

    The looks of Mercedes cars everytime you get out of one, *almost* makes you forgive their souless driving characteristics

    Re: To be honest..

    Thats just it RC that cannot happen.

    The torque of the AMG motors doesn't allow them to be installed in just any car, the transmission, crankshaft, rear subframe all require *extensive* reinforcement. MB's prioirity, wrong at times, is to always focus on bringing the latest tech and gadgets onto a car. They do not invest heavily in new lighter materials like alumiunum and composite steel. Then once an SL500 is fully tricked out with gadgets they send this car to AMG and ask them to make it outaccelerate a Porsche 911 GT2.

    Add the weight of new tech to the weight of a regularly constructed car and you end up with somewhere near 1800kgs. Give it to AMG, what is required? A 1000nm at 1800rpm producing motor...done. Now place engine into car, do all rewuired driveline reinforcements, what do you have? A 200mph+ two ton beast. Thats not all, add 18inch brakes, 19inch heavy alloys, and what do you have? The SL65.

    The bets asset of the SL, handling wise is its roof, it gives the SL55 near perfect 48:52 front:rear weight distribution, but the 2 tons offsets this completely.


    You can have a stripped out SL, with no tech, which will weigh something in the reigion of 1700kgs, but with a 6.0L V12 Bi-Turbo up front, you ain't gonna get ANY steering feel. Why do you think cars like the 360, 911 Gallardo, and all supercars have loads of steering feel? Engine in back thats why. And frankly, unless Mercedes starts building a rear engined car to give to AMG to modify, you're not going to get any steering feel anytime sooon

    As for designs, its all objective, IMO all the recent MB designs are so damn good, they get admiration from even Ford fans!

    The looks of Mercedes cars everytime you get out of one, *almost* makes you forgive their souless driving characteristics

     
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