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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    More like if PCNA have the guts to raise the MSRP to around ROW's level, then the list will really thin out.

    Porsches are too underpriced in the USA.

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Underpriced? They're ridiculously overpriced if anything. Prices in the US for a 911 are anything but cheap. Prices in the ROW often reflect high VAT and currency.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Once you raise the price the speculators and 'market adjustments' will magically disappeared. Look at ROW buyers, very rarely do you find speculators and tacking on market adjustments.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    SciFrog:

    These lists would vanish if Porsche made enough cars to meet the real demand. It says nothing about the car itself.

    Sorry, there are plenty of low production cars in the world (because there is no demand).  It says a great deal about the car...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    that is interesting to know you already have July build date, especially UK with wrong driving side Smiley Smiley

    as said, we do not know that far yet, even if I am more interested about September Smiley

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Whoopsy:

    More like if PCNA have the guts to raise the MSRP to around ROW's level, then the list will really thin out.

    Porsches are too underpriced in the USA.

     

    Nick, the one mainstay of Porsche as a sport car company was when it came to performance/value, it is above the rest. Granted the gap has closed but Porsche still is the gold standard using this criteria. 

    The GT3 is not underpriced. It is where it should be. It is a very understated pedestrian looking sport car when compared to its competitors. Its performance is close if not better than cars costing 20% more. Raise the price to competitors and it will hurt the brand.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    nberry:
    Whoopsy:

    More like if PCNA have the guts to raise the MSRP to around ROW's level, then the list will really thin out.

    The US price is more expensive than Euro price, if you consider the Euro price includes VAT (19% ??)...

    US Price is $143,600 without tax

    German price is 152,416 Euros with VAT (123,457 Euros less 19% VAT which is $131,512 at today's conversion rate)


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Grant:
    nberry:
    Whoopsy:

    More like if PCNA have the guts to raise the MSRP to around ROW's level, then the list will really thin out.

    The US price is more expensive than Euro price, if you consider the Euro price includes VAT (19% ??)...

    US Price is $143,600 without tax

    German price is 152,416 Euros with VAT (123,457 Euros less 19% VAT which is $131,512 at today's conversion rate)


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     

     

    Ha!. Guess there goes that theory.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    indecision


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    The USD has strengthened a lot in the past few years... The GT3 is still underpriced. The other models, not anymore.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    FWIW The GT3 retails for 163.300.00 in Canada. Add 5% GST and PST which in most provinces runs between 6-10%. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    GT3 basic cost is £111.882 including VAT in the UK


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Grant:
    nberry:
    Whoopsy:

    More like if PCNA have the guts to raise the MSRP to around ROW's level, then the list will really thin out.

    The US price is more expensive than Euro price, if you consider the Euro price includes VAT (19% ??)...

    US Price is $143,600 without tax

    German price is 152,416 Euros with VAT (123,457 Euros less 19% VAT which is $131,512 at today's conversion rate)


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     

     

     

    You  are right! I just checked, even Canadian pricing adjusted fro exchange rate is cheaper than US now. Wow, what a turn around.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    So now just think how overpriced in the USA is the Panamera turbo or the 991 TTS...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    SciFrog:

    The GT3 is still underpriced. The other models, not anymore.

    The GT3 had the largest price increase of the 911 models from 991.1 to 991.2

    GT3 increased 10%, while all the other 911's increased only around 5%


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Whoopsy:

    More like if PCNA have the guts to raise the MSRP to around ROW's level, then the list will really thin out.

    Porsches are too underpriced in the USA.

     

    Agreed -  even with the current market over, US cars are still $14 K USD cheaper than Sun's NZ car same spec,  after his discount from list but including US sale tax and reg which offsets most of NZ GST.  Subtract CA tax and reg and it's a steal.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    You guys can pay more if you want, I think the price is plenty high...Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    overpriced in US?!  try buying in Australia.

     

    it's like 260k USD (or 350k AUD) for a poverty spec one...  

    so that's like 500k USD before-tax money. laugh


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    nberry:
    Whoopsy:

    More like if PCNA have the guts to raise the MSRP to around ROW's level, then the list will really thin out.

    Porsches are too underpriced in the USA.

     

    Nick, the one mainstay of Porsche as a sport car company was when it came to performance/value, it is above the rest. Granted the gap has closed but Porsche still is the gold standard using this criteria. 

    The GT3 is not underpriced. It is where it should be. It is a very understated pedestrian looking sport car when compared to its competitors. Its performance is close if not better than cars costing 20% more. Raise the price to competitors and it will hurt the brand.

    why should anyone buy a 911 when it is priced like a ferrari or lambo? that would not make any sense.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    The on-the-road base price for the GT3 is USD 522,000 in Singapore.

    There are 10 official allocations for the country, no news on build date as yet...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    derder:

    overpriced in US?!  try buying in Australia.  it's like 260k USD (or 350k AUD) for a poverty spec one...  

    so that's like 500k USD before-tax money. laugh

    Absolutely; Australia has always been about supporting / subsidizing the Aussie builders Holden and Ford.  Now that there are none to support, how is it going with getting that Luxury Car Tax eliminated?  That would not completely level the import pricing playing field, but would go some ways towards it... 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    With those price protections in place the Holden must have devolved into a heap of crap over time.  Great study in economics. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    pmarkow:

    why should anyone buy a 911 when it is priced like a ferrari or lambo? that would not make any sense.

    I will, as some 911 holds better value than most Ferrari and Lambo.Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Sun has September delivery in USA:

    GT Silver, Silver wheels

    PCCB, LWB, Smokers, parcel net, Bose, grey stripes [thanks you fk.g marketing morons], PDK

    No lifts kiss

    and December delivery in NZ

     

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    It will be interesting to read you impression regarding with and without lift as you will have direct comparaison. 

    I wonder if you ll notice anything or if it is more a " spychological "'thing .....


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    I'm also in the no lift camp, I'm dead afraid fitting thing to the front axle that don't belong there. That said, I'm sure it's all in the head...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Guys,

    May agree with you, but when you will be in front of those ugly stuffs slowing you down everywhere in EU, you might change your opinion .....

    It will cost you some consumables : front spoiler... and could lead to a nice fromt bumper is hit too harsh ....

    I'm very happy to activate this one 10 sec prio and 1 sec after passing through it :-)

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    My   1GT3 did not have the lift and my front lip may have been scraped one or twice. Really didn't have a need for it. Yet, when I was selling the car frequently I was asked whether it had a lift and was deal breaker if it did not. 

    I remain uncertain I will order it this time around. I am inclined not to do so since I will sell it back to the dealer.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    I'm inclined to order mine with the lift given the damage to the front spoiler on my current 991


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    I personally would have no doubts, just the piece of mind of having it were ever you go, all it takes is a ramp to an underground parking of a mall or whatever in the city and you are destroying the lip or worse, and its not like you will even be able to tell its there when you are driving, I'm sure if we are given two GT3's, one with the lift and one without, nobody will be able to tell which is which solely by driving it.


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