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    Re: sportcars test m5 vs e 63 pp vs... scanns

    Very clear victory for new M5 kiss


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    Re: sportcars test m5 vs e 63 pp vs... scanns

    Panamera Turbo S is the car in this class. Lap time at 1:37,81 min. In the rain the gap would have been greater.


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    Re: sportcars test m5 vs e 63 pp vs... scanns

    pride355:

    Very clear victory for new M5 kiss

    3.9 seconds from 0-100 kph ? Kind of weird. The same publication actually stopped the M5 at 4.4 and 4.2 seconds seconds in different tests. I also have doubts regarding the 0-200 kph performance...11.8 seconds. A factory (!) car achieved 12.8 seconds a couple of months ago. I don't want to raise any suspicions but ..Smiley

    I just observed that the M5 in the test uses the Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Could be a reason for the better results... Smiley


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    Re: sportcars test m5 vs e 63 pp vs... scanns

    ok auto cars had it in 11.7 sec, but lets take sport auto with 0-200 in 12,4 secs

    What ever is sayd the m5 f10 is very capable of acceleration, and i woudnt bet anything that the pana turbo s is any faster up to 200 or 300kmh.

    I hope we have soon a proper comparison between those 2 cars on one day one track same driver

     


    Re: sportcars test m5 vs e 63 pp vs... scanns

    Dario:

    ok auto cars had it in 11.7 sec, but lets take sport auto with 0-200 in 12,4 secs

    What ever is sayd the m5 f10 is very capable of acceleration, and i woudnt bet anything that the pana turbo s is any faster up to 200 or 300kmh.

    I hope we have soon a proper comparison between those 2 cars on one day one track same driver

     

    I never said the Panamera Turbo S is faster. I said that the M5 can't outrun the Turbo S from 0-300 kph. Smiley

    On the track and even on public streets, amateur drivers will always be faster in the Turbo S vs. the M5. 560 horses in a RWD car require a trained driver to achieve times even mediocre drivers could achieve in a Turbo S. Just saying...

    My C63 Coupe has "only" 487 hp and I already have traction issues without even fully accelerating. With the ESP turned on, the car is no fun, with the ESP Handling Mode on, the car is kind of risky to drive on public streets and with the ESP turned off completely, you better have enough room on the left and right to move. Smiley


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    Re: sportcars test m5 vs e 63 pp vs... scanns

    I never said the Panamera Turbo S is faster. I said that the M5 can't outrun the Turbo S from 0-300 kph. Smiley

    On the track and even on public streets, amateur drivers will always be faster in the Turbo S vs. the M5. 560 horses in a RWD car require a trained driver to achieve times even mediocre drivers could achieve in a Turbo S. Just saying...

    My C63 Coupe has "only" 487 hp and I already have traction issues without even fully accelerating. With the ESP turned on, the car is no fun, with the ESP Handling Mode on, the car is kind of risky to drive on public streets and with the ESP turned off completely, you better have enough room on the left and right to move. Smiley

    What means out run, in either way one of them will be slithly faster up to 300kmh, so fare the m5 just proved that he is very fast to 200 kmh, with just rear wheel drive.

    Does it really counts how fast on a track or public road you are.  The bigger the balls are the faster one will probably be on a public road. I dont think that is a goal to achieve, not for me.You just dont buy a car that size for track performance,even the are tested there... 95% those cars are on road i guess.

    All i want is a good stright line performance with a bit of stealth look and for that the m5 is perfectly for relativly small cash (compaired to its rivals..)


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    I agree, people who buy the M5 or the Panamera Turbo S for track racing them, are just nuts. I'm not talking about the occasional track fun during a club or driving safety training event of course.

    Yes, the M5 offers a lot for the money but in my opinion (and trust me, I considered the M5 too), the M5 lacks three very important features (only two of them actually matter to me): 

    1. Traction. No matter how good of a driver you are, traction issues will always drive you nuts. People who aren't used to AWD cars may not care (maybe because they don't know better) but the difference is huge and unlike some tracks where the pavement is always clean and sticky, public roads aren't that way. A little bit of dust in the summer...or a little bit of pollen in spring...well...

    2. Sound. When I spend a lot of money on a car, I want a decent exhaust sound. It was never so clear to me than after I got myself the X5M. The X5M is the perfect family car for me, it has a lot of room, it is comfortable (the seats could be better though) and very reliable, not a single issue til now. I hate the exhaust sound. It is horrible and apparently the sound is part of my driving experience, especially when I'm not driving with the family. I can't help it but the X5M sound sucks and so does the M5 exhaust sound. From the inside, it is slightly better than the X5M but from the outside, when the window is open...same horrible tuned up 4-cyl. racing sound, I can't stand it.

    3. Looks. Nobody really cares about the X5M and I doubt that the M5 will attract much more attention. This is actually a good thing...for a daily driver. For a fun car, this stealth look can be annoying after some while. My wife, who really isn't a show-off, recently told me (she returned her M3 Cab to the lease company): "Nobody makes a comment about that stupid X5M but so many made (nice) comments about the M3 Cab". Women apparently need attention... Smiley, not that this is something new. 

    I'm actually not sure how well the new M5 sells in Germany. My dealer has his car available for a couple of months now and nobody bought it. Which is quite unusual. I also saw many many test cars at dealers which aren't sold yet. This is also pretty unusual for such an expensive and sporty model. Maybe it was the weather but I'm not sure. The new M550d could also be a problem because in the end, people don't only want to be fast, they also want to spend little money on fuel. 

    Don't get me wrong, the M5 is an awesome sedan for "little" money (compared to the PTS or even the E63 AMG PP, I recently saw a new one, the station wagon, sitting at my dealer with a price tag of 163k EUR...) but the exhaust sound and the traction issues would drive me nuts.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S (June 2012 delivery), Porsche 997 Carrera GTS Cabriolet PDK, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: sportcars test m5 vs e 63 pp vs... scanns

    fair points.

    What concerne me, traction was never i thing i thought about. For that need i still have the ml 63 (thinking to replace by x6m)

    Yes, standard exhaust its quiet, but fits some how with the stealth look of the car. Every one his own preference


    Re: sportcars test m5 vs e 63 pp vs... scanns

    Dario:

    fair points.

    What concerne me, traction was never i thing i thought about. For that need i still have the ml 63 (thinking to replace by x6m)

    Yes, standard exhaust its quiet, but fits some how with the stealth look of the car. Every one his own preference

    I'm not complaining about a quiet exhaust, I just don't like the sound at all. What is kind of acceptable (to some point but not really) in a SUV, may not be that acceptable in a sports sedan. I also have to admit though that I would have never chosen the Panamera Turbo S without that sweet lease deal. It was kind of a deal maker for me. Smiley

    If BMW would give the M5 AWD and a typical V8 sound, this car would sell like hell.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S (June 2012 delivery), Porsche 997 Carrera GTS Cabriolet PDK, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: sportcars test m5 vs e 63 pp vs... scanns

    Just found this new m5 test from Motortrend. They also tested earlier Panamera turbo and the S version

    http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1203_2013_bmw_m5_test/

     

    Seem as well strong acceleration numbers for a 4 door sedan

     


     
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