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Re: Carrera GT
schmoell:I saw one the other day at my Porsche dealer; car was in for a service. Despite being old it's plain beautiful with a very powerful presence. Still, I doubt that one can drive this beast without knees :)
Progress would be a bit stiff legged, yes. 
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That was great 
Interesting him talking about the clutch at about 19:16, the fabled factory "anti stall" feature which allowed one to take off from a standstill at idle, no throttle or it would stall you could only apply the throttle once the clutch was out, except...... my CGT did not have this feature mine was an earlier car and was an absolute horror to get off the line, I even made a couple of riveting videos back in 2007 when I was trying to work out why mine was so bad.
First vid is the rev counter with me releasing the clutch as slowly as possible with zero throttle = fail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fehUEJo0U3E
Second vid same thing but worked this time, really hit or miss !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ca_nIFresg
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Driving it is like riding one of those bucking bull machines. A wild ride but the slightest miscue will have you in the weeds. Aside from that, the sound and fury of the car are incomparable.
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Grant:Are these cars worth 7 figures now (or just high 6 figures)?
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Between 500 and 800k EUR
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Porker:Grant:Are these cars worth 7 figures now (or just high 6 figures)?
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Between 500 and 800k EUR
They were 600k when they came out new no?
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Carlos from Spain:Porker:Grant:Are these cars worth 7 figures now (or just high 6 figures)?
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Between 500 and 800k EUR
They were 600k when they came out new no?
$440k USD. Seems like a fair price now. 918 was double 10 years later and not as desirable (to me)
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Grant:I find this car so much more interesting than 918. I wonder how 918’s successor will be?
"Interesting" is an appropriate word for the Carrera GT.
I have owned both a Carrera GT and a 918 Spyder. I now own just the 918. 
My early Porsche dealer, Chuck Stoddard, interviewed me before he would recommend which Porsche he should encourage me to buy. He said, "There are two kinds of Porsche customers. One likes to look at them and the other likes to drive them. Which one are you?"
Since I answered "drive", the 918 is far superior to the Carrera GT for my driving enjoyment. My Carrera GT always felt like it was trying to kill me when I drove it very quickly. The 918 feels more like an extension of one's athletic body. The 918 can almost be 2-fingered through maneuvers that would put the Carrera GT into vast amounts of tire slip while staying on the road is not guaranteed. In that car, it's easy to "get behind in one's steering".
I was once seated next to Bobby Rahal at an event and the topic of conversation turned to the Carrera GT. His comment was, "Those things oversteer like crazy!" 
So the observation is not mine alone.
The Carrera GT engine sounds great, the car is very fast and it's beautiful. But I don't need beating back the angel of death as a reaffirming life experience. I just like to enjoy driving. I like my 918 much better.
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W8MM:Grant:I find this car so much more interesting than 918. I wonder how 918’s successor will be?
"Interesting" is an appropriate word for the Carrera GT.
I have owned both a Carrera GT and a 918 Spyder. I now own just the 918.
My early Porsche dealer, Chuck Stoddard, interviewed me before he would recommend which Porsche he should encourage me to buy. He said, "There are two kinds of Porsche customers. One likes to look at them and the other likes to drive them. Which one are you?"
Since I answered "drive", the 918 is far superior to the Carrera GT for my driving enjoyment. My Carrera GT always felt like it was trying to kill me when I drove it very quickly. The 918 feels more like an extension of one's athletic body. The 918 can almost be 2-fingered through maneuvers that would put the Carrera GT into vast amounts of tire slip while staying on the road is not guaranteed. In that car, it's easy to "get behind in one's steering".
I was once seated next to Bobby Rahal at an event and the topic of conversation turned to the Carrera GT. His comment was, "Those things oversteer like crazy!"
The Carrera GT engine sounds great, the car is very fast and it's beautiful. But I don't need beating back the angel of death as a reaffirming life experience. I just like to enjoy driving. I like my 918 much better.
Having never owned nor driven the CGT, take this for what it's worth, but my understanding was that new tires made a huge difference in taming the car's propensity to oversteer. I think it was the EVO analog supercars video where Catchpole drove one with Michelin Supersports and was enthusiastic in his praise for the way they transformed the handling.
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trip:Having never owned nor driven the CGT, take this for what it's worth, but my understanding was that new tires made a huge difference in taming the car's propensity to oversteer. I think it was the EVO analog supercars video where Catchpole drove one with Michelin Supersports and was enthusiastic in his praise for the way they transformed the handling.
Evo Analogue Supercars Video... (including Porsche Carrera GT)
...turn up the volume! 
Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCpCbZaD8xc
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W8MM:Grant:I find this car so much more interesting than 918. I wonder how 918’s successor will be?
"Interesting" is an appropriate word for the Carrera GT.
I have owned both a Carrera GT and a 918 Spyder. I now own just the 918.
My early Porsche dealer, Chuck Stoddard, interviewed me before he would recommend which Porsche he should encourage me to buy. He said, "There are two kinds of Porsche customers. One likes to look at them and the other likes to drive them. Which one are you?"
Since I answered "drive", the 918 is far superior to the Carrera GT for my driving enjoyment. My Carrera GT always felt like it was trying to kill me when I drove it very quickly. The 918 feels more like an extension of one's athletic body. The 918 can almost be 2-fingered through maneuvers that would put the Carrera GT into vast amounts of tire slip while staying on the road is not guaranteed. In that car, it's easy to "get behind in one's steering".
I was once seated next to Bobby Rahal at an event and the topic of conversation turned to the Carrera GT. His comment was, "Those things oversteer like crazy!"
The Carrera GT engine sounds great, the car is very fast and it's beautiful. But I don't need beating back the angel of death as a reaffirming life experience. I just like to enjoy driving. I like my 918 much better.
Mike - I've never had the opportunity to drive either (let along own both). It's certainly possible that my driving experience in the CGT wouldn't live up to my dreams/expectations. But, I'd like to try. I have no doubt that the 918 is the more capable and approachable drive, but it just doesn't tick my personal set of boxes.
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Tires may be an issue but I have spent a lot of seat time as a driver and passenger in the CGT and each time I exited the car I was sweating and my heart was racing. At some point it's no longer fun to be in the car because it was so unpredictable especially with the rear end. Owning this car is not for the faint of heart and probably a car to be looked at and not driven.
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nberry:Tires may be an issue but I have spent a lot of seat time as a driver and passenger in the CGT and each time I exited the car I was sweating and my heart was racing. At some point it's no longer fun to be in the car because it was so unpredictable especially with the rear end. Owning this car is not for the faint of heart and probably a car to be looked at and not driven.
I‘d really like to believe this isn’t true. But maybe this behavior is down to the high power to weight ratio and the Mid-engined RWD layout. I always find 911’s (even powerful ones) more friendly than Mid-rear at the limit.
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spudgun:Friend (CGT owner) got new (modern) tyres on his car and this apparently changed the handling dramatically...
People say that the car was much improved with the change from the original Pilot Sports to the Super Sports. I wonder if anyone has tried the newer and better Pilot Sport 4S? I have these on my Evo (in warmer months) and they are very nice.
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spudgun:Friend (CGT owner) got new (modern) tyres on his car and this apparently changed the handling dramatically...
Modern as in Super Sports, or did he upgrade to Cup 2's, which has only recently been possible if I'm not mistaken.
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Re: Carrera GT
The CGT only has Traction Control they didn't put PSM on it and really this is a car which would have benefited massively from it since the TC does little to tame the torquey output which easily overcomes the rubber and throw a little unevenness and/or camber into the mix and the rear end will step out extremely quickly and violently. My German tuner had a customer who wrote off 3 CGTs, and still wanted his next one tuning 
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I also switched to Pilot Super Sports while trying to improve the CGT’s handling. They help quite a bit compared to the OEM tires, but do not “transform” the handling characteristics. I even adjusted the rear anti-roll bar to full soft. The combo of tires and bar changes picked up 5 seconds per lap on a 1 minute 20 second track, but the car STILL always felt like it was trying to kill me.
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