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    Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Gnil and I booked ourselves onto the Destination Nürburgring 2-day event 'DN18' on Monday and Tuesday this week. What a great couple of days! Our friend Andy also came along with his Datsun GTR.  Only Bluelines was missing, and I'll admit we struggled a bit without his tutelage.

    The weather was great, and the event well organised and run.  The organiser is a British company, and most cars were UK-registered, but also a lot of Swedes (Ring Runners once more..).

    As Gnil wrote, some interesting things going on, like Nico Hülkenberg driving the Manthey RS around one one day, and Motor Trend filming a slot with a Porsche press 911 GTS and an M4.  I was surprised they could see out of the M4 past all the cameras and lights attached to the windscreen.

    Some pics (mostly me - I'll let Gnil post the pics of his):

    3.8 makes it up the hill, even without a turbo:

    DN18B_0667HR.jpg

    DN18B_0618HR.jpg

    Catching up a back marker indecision

    DN18A_1192HR.jpg

    DN18B_0105HR.jpg

    Just got past the back markers :

    DN18C_0915HR.jpgDN18C_6181HR.jpg


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Me and Andy got a bit of a fright on one lap when I was chasing him around - we turned into the Eiskurve to find it covered in coolant and slid off onto the grass - narrowly missing the car which had dropped it.  The incident must have happened only a few seconds before as there were no flags out yet.  PSM and the GTR's stability control to the rescue and we got past fine.  It turned into a 5-car mess and closed the track for some time though - so others weren't as lucky. Makes me glad that a) I have it, and b) I don't turn it off.


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    That looks fantastic, guys!  Glad you averted disaster! kiss


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    ..and of course Porker came and joined us for lunch on Monday.  Great to see you again kisswink


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    DaveGordon:

    Me and Andy got a bit of a fright on one lap when I was chasing him around - we turned into the Eiskurve to find it covered in coolant and slid off onto the grass - narrowly missing the car which had dropped it.  The incident must have happened only a few seconds before as there were no flags out yet.  PSM and the GTR's stability control to the rescue and we got past fine.  It turned into a 5-car mess and closed the track for some time though - so others weren't as lucky. Makes me glad that a) I have it, and b) I don't turn it off.

    Déjà-vu. This exact scenario happened to me a few years ago. Same corner, also went over grass because of coolant, or oil, no flags yet.

    Glad you got away with only a fright too.

    Nice photos btw Smiley


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    It was fantastic . Driving the Ring in shorts and a t-shirt is a bit of a change to the usual fleece and jeans indecision

    Here is Porker , sitting with me as an unafraid  passenger .smiley

    DN18C_2097HR.jpg

    And other pics from the event ....

    DN18A_0590HR.jpg

    DN18A_1191HR.jpg

    DN18B_0977HR.jpg

    DN18C_0958HR.jpg

    DN18C_5529HR.jpg

    DN18C_6122HR.jpg

    DN18C_6490HR.jpg

    DN18C_6847HR.jpg


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Really cool pictures! Great to see you again as well Dave!

    Unafraid is not the word, I'm a bad passenger. angry


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Porker:

     

    Unafraid is not the word, I'm a bad passenger. angry

    Didn't hear any screaming Smiley


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Gnil:
    Porker:

     

    Unafraid is not the word, I'm a bad passenger. angry

    Didn't hear any screaming Smiley

    He was praying... Smiley Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Fantastic!


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Gnil:
    Porker:

     

    Unafraid is not the word, I'm a bad passenger. angry

    Didn't hear any screaming Smiley

    At what RPM did you keep the engine? 

    Sounds like a great event. Was it solely free driving or accompanying tuition as at zscuderia Hanseat? How where the changes on your RS (maybe you commented already and I overlooked it)?

     


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    There's a bit of free tuition on a first come, first served basis as I remember. Have to get in early though. We just treated it as an open-pitlane day. Was way cheaper than e.g. Hanseat though (my motivation laugh). £1200 for a 2-day event with reasonable people is a bit of a bargain in my book.


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    2015 911 GT3, 1964 Type 1


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    DaveGordon:

     Only Bluelines was missing, and I'll admit we struggled a bit without his tutelage.

    Smiley

    Great photos!


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    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Ferdie:
     

    At what RPM did you keep the engine? 

    Sounds like a great event. Was it solely free driving or accompanying tuition as at zscuderia Hanseat? How where the changes on your RS (maybe you commented already and I overlooked it)?

     

    Driving in first Smiley

    That open pit lane event, as David mentioned, is just free driving . That also implies more people do not know how to drive the Ring , so you get more '' amateur drivers '' then on Scuderia for example . But still ok , as it was well organized and they were also some very fast drivers .

    The changes on the RS gave the car more downforce . The back wing was set to the maximum . I could definitely feel the car more planted at the back, specially on the fast parts . Not sure how much the diffusor form the R added to this ???    The mesh in the front wings was also taken off . 

    I already had a chassis set up , more camber and toe and the car lower  . It was  redone in a better way for the Ring and for the car . Set again a bit higher in the front . The car felt very good like this , very very well balanced but can't seriously compare to what I had , as I would of needed to drive the Ring before with the old setting to have a reliable  comparison .  As mentioned by Manthey , the 911 needs to be at the same hight front and back. Very important . 


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Fantastic !


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    I hope not to spoil this thread but have you seen this?!

    VERY shocking

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ1q6hwin3w


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    its not scary at all, it was coolant on the road, it would be scary if you hit 130+ and you face with oil on the road,thats scary


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    martini964:

    its not scary at all, it was coolant on the road, it would be scary if you hit 130+ and you face with oil on the road,thats scary

    A different view from the same accident:

    https://youtu.be/yIxsnNFNMQk

    https://youtu.be/-07HK7nCV50

    https://carbuzz.com/news/porsche-911-gt3-rs-causes-14-car-pileup-at-the-nurburgring

     


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    2017 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS | GT Silver Metallic - The GT3 Killah!
    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    martini964:

    its not scary at all, it was coolant on the road, it would be scary if you hit 130+ and you face with oil on the road,thats scary

    Didn't the driver of the Porsche hit the other car (Skoda?) when he braked and then started spinning?

    The Huracan driver seems to have saved the situation pretty well.

    Why the heck did he turn the steering wheel when he braked? Smiley

    Also, they (incl. the Huracan driver) saw the pileup of cars in the front, they should have (both) slowed down much earlier.  Smiley

    Of course it is always easy to judge from a video but in this case, I'm afraid the GT3 RS driver made a driving mistake.

    Not so sure about that oil or the claim that some coolant(?) pipe burst (GT3 RS) but in the end, it was a horrible experience for everyone involved. 

    One reason I love (and recommend) organized track runs only, not those stupid tourist runs. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

     


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Seb hit the coolant and there was not much he could do after that.


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Kobalt:

    Seb hit the coolant and there was not much he could do after that.

    It was a driving error Kobalt! SmileySmiley


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Kobalt:

    Seb hit the coolant and there was not much he could do after that.

    This is when he should have hit the brakes latest...he waited over a second longer and probably had his ESP turned off completely as well (the Huracan driver didn't...I bet on that...you can see it from his rear and how it moved).

    Driver was too eager to follow the Performante... This wasn't a race, this was a tourist day on the Nordschleife. No need to drive with a knife between the teeth.

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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

     


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Porker:
    Kobalt:

    Seb hit the coolant and there was not much he could do after that.

    It was a driving error Kobalt! SmileySmiley

    Yeah, I know...you are a pro. Smiley Couldn't even feel a 4.0 bar tire pressure or a complete alignment error. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Hitting me where it hurts!


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    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Porker:

    Hitting me where it hurts!

    Oh well, I learned only from the best. Smiley

    On a more serious note: You should be real tough with the dealer and Porsche on this one, this is unacceptable if they messed up things. Just imagine the kid with you in the car... 

    I had a stabilizer bar screw braking at 260 kph in an Autobahn curve...without ESP, I would probably be dead by now. Porsche 996 Carrera 4 Powerkit. Got rid of it as soon as the 996 Turbo came out, didn't trust this car anymore.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    RC:
    Porker:

    Hitting me where it hurts!

    Oh well, I learned only from the best. Smiley

    On a more serious note: You should be real tough with the dealer and Porsche on this one, this is unacceptable if they messed up things. Just imagine the kid with you in the car... 

     

    Of course, I'm just waiting info from the dealer in Belgium what the actual reason is before turning to my dealer in Switzerland. It's enough that on both occasions the car might have crashed because of the errors, now I'm unable to use the car until they've done their expertise, etc... 


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    1992 Mercedes-Benz W124 500E  / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (sold) / 2011 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Performance / 2014 BMW-Alpina D3 biturbo Touring / 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Clubsport


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Bit out of place here but didn't find a suitable Nordschleife topic. Have a look at this guy's lap in a 306 GTI. Brilliant driving and proof you don't need a supercar to be quick and/or have fun.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qCmwCnNeMA


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    1969 Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 6.3  / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (sold) / 2011 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Performance / 2014 BMW-Alpina D3 biturbo Touring / 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Clubsport


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    kiss

    FWIW: I rode with a friend in a Suzuki Swift. 8.40

    Extremely entertaining :-)

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz3VaJYgjXs


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    BTW: I'm at the Ring from 17th - 1 of June.


    Re: Dave and Gnil @ Nürburgring Nordschleife

    Kobalt:

    kiss

    FWIW: I rode with a friend in a Suzuki Swift. 8.40

    Extremely entertaining :-)

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz3VaJYgjXs

    9:00 in a BMW 740d (Diesel) with four people inside... Smiley Many years ago. Just silly.

    Those (less powerful) cars are fun on the track because you can actually (often) drive them at the limit. Smiley


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