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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    Hey, we agree on something. Maybe we should negotiate the peace treaty for Israel and the Palestinians.Smiley


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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    nberry:

    Hey, we agree on something. Maybe we should negotiate the peace treaty for Israel and the Palestinians.Smiley

    That would be great! Smiley


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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    BlackSparrow:

    I loved it in the pictures, hated it in real life. NEVER SELLING MY 997!

    Two things I realy realy don't like in 991 - DRL's design and this ugly lettering " P O R S C H E " on the rear that you actualy cannot get removed by the factory Smiley

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    BlackOctober:
    BlackSparrow:

    I loved it in the pictures, hated it in real life. NEVER SELLING MY 997!

    Two things I realy realy don't like in 991 - DRL's design and this ugly lettering " P O R S C H E " on the rear that you actualy cannot get removed by the factory Smiley

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    Well, the ''PORSCHE'' lettering at the back is a part of the 911 (and Porsche's in that respect) tradition which was only broken by 997 and now is back again. so get used to it if fast! Smiley


    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    dxpetrov:
    BlackOctober:
    BlackSparrow:

    I loved it in the pictures, hated it in real life. NEVER SELLING MY 997!

    Two things I realy realy don't like in 991 - DRL's design and this ugly lettering " P O R S C H E " on the rear that you actualy cannot get removed by the factory Smiley

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    Well, the ''PORSCHE'' lettering at the back is a part of the 911 (and Porsche's in that respect) tradition which was only broken by 997 and now is back again. so get used to it if fast! Smiley

    I think I must disagree that the tradition was broken by 997. Accordind the video(that was posted couple of posts before - "Histoy Of Sound") and my personal experience with 911's the P O R S C H E lettering was only on early 911's . As shown on the video we can clearly see that 930, 964, 993, 996 and 997 have no P O R S C H E lettering on the rear exept first 911 in line.


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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    It was on the rear reflector up to the 964.

     


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    "Form follows function"


    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    I think even 993 had it?*

    * I am at work and internet access is blocked, but somehow only this site is working! Smiley

     


    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    reginos:

    It was on the rear reflector up to the 964.

     

    Thats right, it means that after 964 (incuding 964) there was no PORSCHE lettering on the rear for 4 generations of 911


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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    dxpetrov:

    I think even 993 had it?*

    * I am at work and internet access is blocked, but somehow only this site is working! Smiley

     

    Here's couple of examples in pics

    993targa.jpgporsche_911-993_carrera_s_coupe_rs2_97_sm.jpg911-carrera-996-rear.jpg964_carrera2_01.jpg


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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

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    Thanks! ;)

    So you can clearly see that even the 993 had it in the same way as 964, embed in the reflector!

    That means only two generations, 996 and 997 didn't have it!

    Nowadays, they want to reestablish that connection with the past!

    And I actually like it! Keep the badge in front and the lettering at the back! It would be wrong to have a badge at both sides!


    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    Absolutely no problem would be if Porsche would offer to remove the lettering as an option.....but there is no such option. You can remove Carrera S lettering and left only 911 or you can remove both, but P O R S C H E will stay.

    On my 991 it will be removed anyway....if not from the factory so I will remove it aftermarket....I will leave only 911 badge Smiley


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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    dxpetrov:

    So you can clearly see that even the 993 had it in the same way as 964, embed in the reflector!

    That means only two generations, 996 and 997 didn't have it!

    You can see something clearly that I don't see at all.  993 has the rear reflector, but it doesn't have any lettering as far as I can see.  There was no reflector there from 1964 to 1973, so the only years to say Porsche there were 1974 to 1994 (fewer than half the production years).


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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    Grant:
    dxpetrov:

    So you can clearly see that even the 993 had it in the same way as 964, embed in the reflector!

    That means only two generations, 996 and 997 didn't have it!

    You can see something clearly that I don't see at all.  993 has the rear reflector, but it doesn't have any lettering as far as I can see.  There was no reflector there from 1964 to 1973, so the only years to say Porsche there were 1974 to 1994 (fewer than half the production years).

    There was a PORSCHE lettering on the 993 reflector too. It was in some kind of transparent form and not very visible in pictures.


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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    I don't mind whether it says Porsche on the back or not. I'm too busy enjoying the view from the driver's seat!

    I like the subtle Porsche logo on the rear window which I see in my rear view mirror :)


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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    reginos:
    Grant:
    dxpetrov:

    So you can clearly see that even the 993 had it in the same way as 964, embed in the reflector!

    That means only two generations, 996 and 997 didn't have it!

    You can see something clearly that I don't see at all.  993 has the rear reflector, but it doesn't have any lettering as far as I can see.  There was no reflector there from 1964 to 1973, so the only years to say Porsche there were 1974 to 1994 (fewer than half the production years).

    There was a PORSCHE lettering on the 993 reflector too. It was in some kind of transparent form and not very visible in pictures.

    Actualy there is something that is hard to see.....it looks like PORSCHE lettering


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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    Yep...there is a PORSCHE lettering....


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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    My apologieswink


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    BlackOctober:
    reginos:

    It was on the rear reflector up to the 964.

     

    Thats right, it means that after 964 (incuding 964) there was no PORSCHE lettering on the rear for 4 generations of 911

    It is probably juste glued on with tape. So there should be no problem to take it off.

    I have done it before on my 997.1 and I could do it using my fingers.


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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    Things I do not like in 991:

    1. mirrors are much nicer in 997.  to my eye the mirrors on 991 kill the whole car, their form and positioning is freakish :)  the black bottom portion of the mirror works on cayenne, but to bring it to 911 is retarded.
    2. the whole design feel of the car is more elongated rather than rounded, exterior and interior both.
    3. why did the interior have to look so much like panamera inside? they're inbreeding the identity.
    4. it feels like the best AM ever produced, the porsche identity is lost.
    that being said I realize that handling, accelerating, fuel economy, overall technology is much better, but it's off my shopping list...


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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    1 totally agree

    2,3 its a mini pane which will drive the brand going forward

    4 not lost still ID=very f.g fast

     


    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    watt, wink


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    2012 Cayenne TT (on order for june 2012), 997.1 Targa 4s, 2009 Q5 3.2

    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    Going to be interesting to follow the sales of the 991.  My local dealer has--in a bit over two weeks--delivered six and received deposits on twelve more...


    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    I love the 993 style mirrors on the 991. The black lower part works well with black wheels.


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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    I went to see the 991 yesterday, and I have to admit that in the flesh, it looks a lot better than on the pictures.
    Details that always struck me as awkward on photo's seem to blend into the overall shape really nicely in reality.

    The interior was snug and purposeful, just as you expect from a 911... all in all, I wouldn't mind owning one! :-)

    On another subject, the dealer had two GT2 RS's (red and silver)  and a 997 GT2 (all black)... a sign of the recession, or just coincidence? I also was taken aback that now more than half the amount f cars in the showroom was either Cayenne or Panamera... so much for the 911 as crown jewel! :-(


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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    Joost:

    ... all in all, I wouldn't mind owning one! :-)

    In the same way you wouldn't mind say, being given a massage by two gorgeous women. Smiley


    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    Enmanuel:
    Joost:

    ... all in all, I wouldn't mind owning one! :-)

    In the same way you wouldn't mind say, being given a massage by two gorgeous women. Smiley

    Exactly! :-) Or three, for that matter... Smiley


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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991... (LAUNCH thread)

    yeah a "massage"..  indecision


     
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