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    991 GTS

    Hi All,

    Very interested to see what the upcoming GTS will look like - so starting a separate thread

    Please keep it coming....

    Thanks Smiley


    Re: 991 GTS

    Also interested, anyone have any info on when it could out? hopefully with the facelift and not at the end of the 991 lifecycle like they did with the 997....


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    Re: 991 GTS

    RC mentioned that the exhaust will be similar to the Gt3 but not quite . So it must be the mule we have seen with the pipes like the older  Golf R    ( half center )


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    Re: 991 GTS

    Gnil:

    RC mentioned that the exhaust will be similar to the Gt3 but not quite . So it must be the mule we have seen with the pipes like the older  Golf R    ( half center )

    Did not like the look of those angry


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    Re: 991 GTS

    So this would be the GTS ( 4S ) , if we take what RC has said.

    Porsche-911-GTS-4.jpg

     

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    Re: 991 GTS

    Gnil,

    those pictures clearly show the upcoming 991.2 with the turbocharged engine (look at the intercooler outlets on the side of the rear bumpers).

    I'm quite sure that the 991.1 GTS will be about the same as the 997.2 GTS and the 981 GTS:

    Some few extra horsepower (probably the 430hp), some special features (Alcantara, maybe centerlocks?) and a nice pricetag so that a well optioned 991 S costs about the same as the GTS.

    Can't see anything "special" fitting into the Porsche line-up.


    Re: 991 GTS

    hzoenvy33:

    I'm quite sure that the 991.1 GTS will be about the same as the 997.2 GTS and the 981 GTS:

    So you think the 997 GTS and 981 GTS are the same?  Smiley

     


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    Re: 991 GTS

    John H:
    hzoenvy33:

    I'm quite sure that the 991.1 GTS will be about the same as the 997.2 GTS and the 981 GTS:

    So you think the 997 GTS and 981 GTS are the same?  Smiley

     

    I think he meant we can expect the same sorts of updates as those packaged with previous GTS models (~7% bump Powerkit, suspension, cosmetic upgrades, widebody for 991, price increase that is less than sum of options, etc.).


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    Re: 991 GTS

    Okay - that sounds about right...kiss


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    Re: 991 GTS

    Nice Audi TT exhaust.


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    noone1:

    Nice Audi TT exhaust.

    Just what I thought Smiley

    It seems the parts sharing is spreading across the VW Group Smiley


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    Re: 991 GTS

    this two exhausts are narrowing the look of the car. me don't like!

    Re: 991 GTS

    Not a fan either, IMO the wider they are appart they are the sportier and more aggressive the car looks.


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    Re: 991 GTS

    hzoenvy33:

    Gnil,

    those pictures clearly show the upcoming 991.2 with the turbocharged engine (look at the intercooler outlets on the side of the rear bumpers).

    I'm quite sure that the 991.1 GTS will be about the same as the 997.2 GTS and the 981 GTS:

    Some few extra horsepower (probably the 430hp), some special features (Alcantara, maybe centerlocks?) and a nice pricetag so that a well optioned 991 S costs about the same as the GTS.

    Can't see anything "special" fitting into the Porsche line-up.

    The question is : Is the GTS going to be directly a facelift 991.2 ( most probably ) , or still a 991.1  ( very unlikely to me ) ?

    And it will most probably be with a turbo engine ......... we are heading for big changes  ......

     


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    Re: 991 GTS

    Closer to a Golf R then an Audi TT. Remember , VW took over, not Audi , they need to show who is in control indecision

    vw-golf-r20-1.jpg

     

    Audi-TT_3.2_DSG_quattro_2003_800x600_wallpaper_23.jpg


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    Re: 991 GTS

    The thing with the new smaller capacity turbo engines is that they can offer various HP versions of the same engine and give different designations.This is what happens already with Audi, BMW and others that use the same turbo engine for a range of outputs.

    If it will be so with Porsche, the customer will not feel that he gets something much more special with the higher output versions besides software and some minor reengineering.

    With this new approach, I think that the 997.2 will be a cherished car with enthusiasts in future. 

     


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    Re: 991 GTS

    reginos:

    With this new approach, I think that the 997.2 will be a cherished car with enthusiasts in future. 

     

    I'm sure you are right - I've had several drives now in the 991, and whilst the interior is much more luxurious than 997, and the PDK is massively better (smoother, faster shifting, more responsive than that of my admittedly early and nearly 6 year old car since sold) - the experience left me a bit cold, less mechanical, more Playstation sort of experience.

    And yet the 981 Boxster just blew me away with its brilliance over the 987. Strange. Maybe I'm more of a Boxster type than 911. If I ever had the opportunity to go Porsche again, Boxster GTS would be the way I would go., and not just for financial reasons.


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    Re: 991 GTS

    reginos:

    The thing with the new smaller capacity turbo engines is that they can offer various HP versions of the same engine and give different designations.This is what happens already with Audi, BMW and others that use the same turbo engine for a range of outputs.

    If it will be so with Porsche, the customer will not feel that he gets something much more special with the higher output versions besides software and some minor reengineering.

    With this new approach, I think that the 997.2 will be a cherished car with enthusiasts in future. 

     

    Not sure if this is the case, the 997 lost quite in value judging by the used car values. I've seen Carrera GTS below 70k EUR with low mileage, this is insane.


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    Re: 991 GTS

    RC:
    reginos:

    The thing with the new smaller capacity turbo engines is that they can offer various HP versions of the same engine and give different designations.This is what happens already with Audi, BMW and others that use the same turbo engine for a range of outputs.

    If it will be so with Porsche, the customer will not feel that he gets something much more special with the higher output versions besides software and some minor reengineering.

    With this new approach, I think that the 997.2 will be a cherished car with enthusiasts in future. 

     

    Not sure if this is the case, the 997 lost quite in value judging by the used car values. I've seen Carrera GTS below 70k EUR with low mileage, this is insane.

    Which (GTS) is the best 997.2 Carrera variant IMO. I would love to have one for DD.


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    pride355:
    RC:
    reginos:

    The thing with the new smaller capacity turbo engines is that they can offer various HP versions of the same engine and give different designations.This is what happens already with Audi, BMW and others that use the same turbo engine for a range of outputs.

    If it will be so with Porsche, the customer will not feel that he gets something much more special with the higher output versions besides software and some minor reengineering.

    With this new approach, I think that the 997.2 will be a cherished car with enthusiasts in future. 

     

    Not sure if this is the case, the 997 lost quite in value judging by the used car values. I've seen Carrera GTS below 70k EUR with low mileage, this is insane.

    Which (GTS) is the best 997.2 Carrera variant IMO. I would love to have one for DD.

    That is what I always said... until I got the 991 C4S Smiley


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    Re: 991 GTS

    RC:
    reginos:

    The thing with the new smaller capacity turbo engines is that they can offer various HP versions of the same engine and give different designations.This is what happens already with Audi, BMW and others that use the same turbo engine for a range of outputs.

    If it will be so with Porsche, the customer will not feel that he gets something much more special with the higher output versions besides software and some minor reengineering.

    With this new approach, I think that the 997.2 will be a cherished car with enthusiasts in future. 

     

    Not sure if this is the case, the 997 lost quite in value judging by the used car values. I've seen Carrera GTS below 70k EUR with low mileage, this is insane.

    Too early. The 997 will be the new 993 in a 5 years time.


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    Re: 991 GTS

    reginos:
    RC:
    reginos:

    The thing with the new smaller capacity turbo engines is that they can offer various HP versions of the same engine and give different designations.This is what happens already with Audi, BMW and others that use the same turbo engine for a range of outputs.

    If it will be so with Porsche, the customer will not feel that he gets something much more special with the higher output versions besides software and some minor reengineering.

    With this new approach, I think that the 997.2 will be a cherished car with enthusiasts in future. 

     

    Not sure if this is the case, the 997 lost quite in value judging by the used car values. I've seen Carrera GTS below 70k EUR with low mileage, this is insane.

    Too early. The 997 will be the new 993 in a 5 years time.

    Due to the difference in production numbers I don't think this will ever be the case, except for the GT3 RS.

    If I got the numbers right, there were 4 times as many 997 cars produced as 993 cars.


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    Re: 991 GTS

    RC:

    Not sure if this is the case, the 997 lost quite in value judging by the used car values. I've seen Carrera GTS below 70k EUR with low mileage, this is insane.

    Just 

    looked on the Porsche GB used car website, prices of the 997 GTS holding firm, hardly any drop in asking prices over the last year. 


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    Re: 991 GTS

    The cars from the last generation that have reputations as better driver's cars (997 GT models, 997 GTS, 987 Boxster Spyder and 987 Cayman S/R/Sport) seem to have prices that are holding firm or rising at the moment.  Examples like mine are retailing higher than 12 months ago


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    Re: 991 GTS

    reginos:
    RC:
    reginos:

    The thing with the new smaller capacity turbo engines is that they can offer various HP versions of the same engine and give different designations.This is what happens already with Audi, BMW and others that use the same turbo engine for a range of outputs.

    If it will be so with Porsche, the customer will not feel that he gets something much more special with the higher output versions besides software and some minor reengineering.

    With this new approach, I think that the 997.2 will be a cherished car with enthusiasts in future. 

     

    Not sure if this is the case, the 997 lost quite in value judging by the used car values. I've seen Carrera GTS below 70k EUR with low mileage, this is insane.

    Too early. The 997 will be the new 993 in a 5 years time.

    The sheer volume of 997's produced will make that imposible, not to mention the fact that the 997  does not end an era like the 993 did with the air cooled engines, if the change to smaller turbocharged engine has a similar effect it will do it to the 991.1 which is the latest most modern 991 with the atmospheric engine and with much much much less units produced, not the 997, save for the very limited as special units like the 997GT3RS 4.0.


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    Re: 991 GTS

    dreamcar:
    RC:

    Not sure if this is the case, the 997 lost quite in value judging by the used car values. I've seen Carrera GTS below 70k EUR with low mileage, this is insane.

    Just 

    looked on the Porsche GB used car website, prices of the 997 GTS holding firm, hardly any drop in asking prices over the last year. 

     I reckon the 997 GTS will hold its value until the 992 GTS comes out. Once its out, the value will drop. Same thing happened to the 997 c4s


    Re: 991 GTS

    The Carrera models are becoming more and more expensive, larger and increasingly easier to drive. Soon they will all be small displacement turbos differentiated by their state of tuning.

    For this reason the 997 which is the last of the old school but still with good ride/handling, proper steering and plenty of modern amenities will gain a acceptance in the coming years and become a candidate for a classic.

    The proportions of the 997 are also more harmonious than the 991's.

    Out of the numerous models the most sought after will be the GTS but I foresee that the rest will also be in demand.

     


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    Re: 991 GTS

    BTW, I was thinking;
    Nobody seems to want a 911 with a 4-cylinder engine, the only reason they might become reality is due to the pressure of the environmentalist lobby. Think of it what you may.

    However, is it possible to have a 6-cylinder engine that runs with 4 cylinders only, and only switches to 6 cylinders when required? I think that would satisfy both the environment laws and the (a bit) the petrolheads...


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    Re: 991 GTS

    Joost:

    BTW, I was thinking;
    Nobody seems to want a 911 with a 4-cylinder engine, the only reason they might become reality is due to the pressure of the environmentalist lobby. Think of it what you may.

    However, is it possible to have a 6-cylinder engine that runs with 4 cylinders only, and only switches to 6 cylinders when required? I think that would satisfy both the environment laws and the (a bit) the petrolheads...

     I think this technology is currently available on the Bentley GT 4.0 v8


    Re: 991 GTS

    Well, Audi has a V8 (4.0 TFSI) that can run as a 4 cylinder, So, it's at least theoretically, if not practically possible for Porsche:
     
    Audi continues to increase the efficiency of its engines. The new 4.0 TFSI, a powerful V8 with twin turbochargers, is equipped with “cylinder on demand” technology. When operating at part load, four of its cylinders are deactivated. This reduces fuel consumption by an average of five percent. To complement this system there are two further technologies: Active noise control (ANC) and active engine mounts. They ensure that the car’s occupants do not hear or sense any disturbing noise or vibration even if the engine is operating in the four-cylinder mode.
     
     
    (I think that's mostly an Audi press release, but I couldn't find the original)
     
    I believe this is the engine used in the S7, and I'm not sure what else.

     
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