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    Re: Aventador and SV

    I have written about this several times before.  Product development involves making a number of potentially costly trade-offs in parameters and specification.  The Aventador retains the same configuration as introduced with the Countach almost fifty years ago.  
     

    The transmission is in front of the engine instead of behind as found in most rear mid-engine configurations. This means that the significantly wider and more squat dual clutch transmission can’t be utilized if cabin space is maintained. The converse, turning the powertrain around so the transmission is at the rear of the car, is an even more complex and costly option. Frankly, with the low production volume and onerous future regulations, this is not a cost effective solution either.  
     

    Prediction: Lamborghini will maintain this configuration with corresponding modifications to the transmission, like the Sian’s hybrid system, until that V-12 is regulated away. 


    Re: Aventador and SV

    CGX car nut:

    Prediction: Lamborghini will maintain this configuration with corresponding modifications to the transmission, like the Sian’s hybrid system, until that V-12 is regulated away. 

    Agreed on why they have needed to stick with the appalling single clutch on the current platform. There is no way they can launch an Aventador successor without a dual clutch system and the last I heard that will be a V12. Have I misunderstood your post?


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    Angry bull waiting for lockdown to ease......

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    That was the point of my post.  The business case does not exist for a complete revamp of the platform unless Lamborghini shares the platform with its lower priced replacement for the Huracan.  However, even this would make continuing with the V-12 difficult because the engine would need an entire re-engineer to operate in a different orientation. Those costs are difficult to recoup under the future regulations.  


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    crayphile:

    Angry bull waiting for lockdown to ease......

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    Stunning. A perfect spec for that car. 


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    crayphile:

    Angry bull waiting for lockdown to ease......

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    I can see the logic of gold wheels on this car. You get my seal of approval.Smiley

    Its a fabulous color combination.Smiley


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    nberry: I can see the logic of gold wheels on this car. You get my seal of approval.Smiley

    Its a fabulous color combination.Smiley

    wink


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    Absolute Stunner


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    Looking good Cray!


    Re: Aventador and SV

    crayphile:
    CGX car nut:

    Prediction: Lamborghini will maintain this configuration with corresponding modifications to the transmission, like the Sian’s hybrid system, until that V-12 is regulated away. 

    Agreed on why they have needed to stick with the appalling single clutch on the current platform. There is no way they can launch an Aventador successor without a dual clutch system and the last I heard that will be a V12. Have I misunderstood your post?

    Aventador successor gets a DCT and a pretty good one. This is 100%. The mild hybrid is also 100%. Some design elements from the Sian too. V12 n/a engine. 100%. This is all I have but it comes from a 100% source. Smiley  Smiley


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    crayphile:

    Angry bull waiting for lockdown to ease......

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    Smiley Smiley Open the engine hood and take a pic...pure art. I sat once half an hour just looking at the engine bay, call me crazy. Smiley


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    RC:

    Aventador successor gets a DCT and a pretty good one. This is 100%. The mild hybrid is also 100%. Some design elements from the Sian too. V12 n/a engine. 100%. This is all I have but it comes from a 100% source. Smiley  Smiley

    That was what I heard too. Any idea on timing? In the meantime we will have death by special edition for the current platform. Countach tribute next I think.


    Re: Aventador and SV

    crayphile:
    RC:

    Aventador successor gets a DCT and a pretty good one. This is 100%. The mild hybrid is also 100%. Some design elements from the Sian too. V12 n/a engine. 100%. This is all I have but it comes from a 100% source. Smiley  Smiley

    That was what I heard too. Any idea on timing? In the meantime we will have death by special edition for the current platform. Countach tribute next I think.

    Smiley Smiley

    2023 was the time for the Aventador successor but with Corona and all, this may go right into 2024. I haven't talked to that particular person for a while (no, not my dealer but I will be there in April for the big inspection for my Performante, so maybe he knows more by then).


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    crayphile:
    RC:

    Aventador successor gets a DCT and a pretty good one. This is 100%. The mild hybrid is also 100%. Some design elements from the Sian too. V12 n/a engine. 100%. This is all I have but it comes from a 100% source. Smiley  Smiley

    That was what I heard too. Any idea on timing? In the meantime we will have death by special edition for the current platform. Countach tribute next I think.

    Does the replacement remain LP?   That was the reason given for not having a DCT with the Aventador.  


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    CGX car nut:
    crayphile:
    RC:

    Aventador successor gets a DCT and a pretty good one. This is 100%. The mild hybrid is also 100%. Some design elements from the Sian too. V12 n/a engine. 100%. This is all I have but it comes from a 100% source. Smiley  Smiley

    That was what I heard too. Any idea on timing? In the meantime we will have death by special edition for the current platform. Countach tribute next I think.

    Does the replacement remain LP?   That was the reason given for not having a DCT with the Aventador.  

    No clue. I just have V12 mild-hybrid, this is all I heard. I do not think it will be impossible with the LP engine placement, tech has evolved a lot and a completely new drivetrain is expected anyway (which will be used together with Porsche and others in the VW Group...as far as I heard but since Bentley is going full EV apparently...). Actually, what I heard about the Aventador successor is that it is possible to make a full EV out of it if necessary.

    The future of the Huracan will be a mixed bag: No more V10 n/a but a V8 Biturbo. As a compensation, this car will finally have a proper power figure to keep up with Ferrari and McLaren. The weight will be interesting but I do not think that Lamborghini can keep up with McLaren, at least not with the platform they share with Porsche. Smiley


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    Dual clutch transmissions means the outer clutch ring is much larger in diameter than the inner clutch, and that inner clutch must transmit the full output of that V12 too.  There’s only so much that can be done to handle the power within a reasonably sized clutch pack.  This is why a DCT is wider in dimensions than a corresponding single clutch gear box.  I really doubt that Lamborghini can make the Aventador replacement much wider than the existing model. 
     

    The thought of an electric Lamborghini is depressing since the symphony of sound is part of the DNA of the brand. 


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    Angry bull waiting for lockdown to ease......

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    Poster material. Very well done Cray!


    Re: Aventador and SV

    Cray, what an absolutely stunningly beautiful car! Congrats, it must be hell to have to wait so long for you to be able to play with the new toy! 


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    very very good looking car/spec !


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    Latest Aventador rumor (and SVJ owners won't like it):

    Before the Aventador production stops, there will be one more Aventador special model, limited in production for a year (not sure how many will be built). Here's the fun part: This model will have more power than the SVJ but it will be cheaper as well.  


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    RC:

    Latest Aventador rumor (and SVJ owners won't like it):

    Before the Aventador production stops, there will be one more Aventador special model, limited in production for a year (not sure how many will be built). Here's the fun part: This model will have more power than the SVJ but it will be cheaper as well.  


    Give it a proper DCT and I'm in. Smiley


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    Rossi:
    RC:

    Latest Aventador rumor (and SVJ owners won't like it):

    Before the Aventador production stops, there will be one more Aventador special model, limited in production for a year (not sure how many will be built). Here's the fun part: This model will have more power than the SVJ but it will be cheaper as well.  


    Give it a proper DCT and I'm in. Smiley

    Nope, next gen only. Smiley


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    RC:
    Rossi:
    RC:

    Latest Aventador rumor (and SVJ owners won't like it):

    Before the Aventador production stops, there will be one more Aventador special model, limited in production for a year (not sure how many will be built). Here's the fun part: This model will have more power than the SVJ but it will be cheaper as well.  


    Give it a proper DCT and I'm in. Smiley

    Nope, next gen only. Smiley

    One has written many times that a DCT is too wide to fit within the confines of the current transmission space.  This is only rectified if the Aventador replacement changes the powertrain layout which has remained fixed from the time of the Countach.  



    Re: Aventador and SV

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    Re: Aventador and SV

    SJ


    Re: Aventador and SV

    BiTurbo:

    Not another one mail


    The last! Smiley

    Maybe... Smiley


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    Re: Aventador and SV

    Rossi:
    BiTurbo:

    Not another one mail


    The last! Smiley

    Maybe... Smiley

    The Aventador is the modern Countach.  The next Lamborghini will be a break from a format the company has built since the very first Countach so it is understandable the company is treading carefully.  


    Re: Aventador and SV

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