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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Caymanisking:

    There must be two versions of the CarWow video then as the one I saw the McLaren walked away from the Turbo S once it got into its stride on the rolling races and even on the quartermile it was catching it fast towards the end - which is consistent with the 10mph higher trap speed you would expect from the McLaren. Matt even commented how the rolling race was a foregone conclusion based on the material power advantage of the McLaren.

    Mat can't even pronounce the brand name Porsche correctly, I do not expect him to be a car expert. Smiley CarWow's drag races have always been a little bit weird and often contrary to our own results in our driving circle but I guess if it is on the internet, it must be true. Smiley

    The 720S drove away very slowly at a certain speed, at that time, both cars were probably already traveling in excess of 150 mph. I know the 720S well, we have two versions in our driving group, one older car and a new one. Performance is unbelievable over 200 kph, I would love to take an emissions test at those speeds above 200 kph. Smiley

    The traction control of the 720S also works amazingly well, it is pretty difficult to outrun it that "obvious" in the lower speed ranges, usually everything happens in the 0-100 mph (160 kph) speed range, above that, the 720S always pulls away, not even the Pista can keep up.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Unless perfect conditions for the 720S I do believe the 992 TurboS will just about beat the 720S in a drag to a quarter-mile. And the conditions were far from perfect in the video. For a half mile drag the 720S would be gone. Also as soon as the 720S is in third gear with the additional boost versus first and second the TurboS will be left behind easily. The 720S is just bounded by traction. Can only imagine how brutal the 765LT will be. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    RC:
     

    Mat can't even pronounce the brand name Porsche correctly, I do not expect him to be a car expert. Smiley 

    He's a Brummie, he's doing a review in English and not pretending to be a linguist you can bet he also calls the capital of France Pariss rather than Paree

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    All rear wheel driven cars are traction limited, even the McLaren's with their excellent traction control.

    You can only put down so much power until the tire's traction is broken. 

    On a drag strip with glue sprayed on, like those videos done by that bald Florida guy, 720S will do amazing 1/4 mile time simply because of the better traction offered. But that's the best case scenario and pretty much cannot be repeated.

    It's just a math/physics problem. The initial traction, 'bite', of a car launch is limited by how much grip the tire can give on the road surface, once that's broken the tire will be spinning and the acceleration rate will be next to zero.

    The bite can easily be calculated too, it's simply the product of the car's weight over the driven wheels times the friction coefficient between the tire and the surface. The Youtube Channel Engineering Explained has a few videos explaining that. The friction coefficient can also easily be obtained by measuring the peak braking g-force. 

    Even with the same tires, a 720S weighting less and only has 2 wheel driven will always be at a disadvantage comparing to a turbo S weighting more and with all 4 wheels driven. 100% of the weight of the turbo S are used to press down on the driven wheels while maybe 80% of the weight of the 720S is used, if even that much. 

    Once the car gets going, as long as the wheel torque doesn't exceed the available traction, the car will accelerate at it's maximum speed. The wheel torque is also easily calculated, it's just a product of the engine output times the gear ratio, times the final drive ratio. For the 720S, 2nd gear still isn't tall enough for putting down full power without breaking traction. You may call for full power with the pedal pressed all the way down, but the ECU will adjust the power output to maintain traction.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Whether it's a 10.1 or a 10.4, the car is blisteringly quick and seems to be a really enjoyable package overall if reviews are anything to go by. (@RC, no I haven't driven one, nor do I intend to test something if I'm not interested to buy)

    To me it feels a bit like the coming of age of the 992 platform, fingers crossed it's a success for the brand, especially in these times.kiss


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Porker:
    MKSGR:
    RC:
    Caymanisking:

    Wow - 10.1 seconds on a less than optimal surface. This car launches like nothing else!

    10.1 is impossible. The best a friend could do (measured with Dragy) was 10.4 seconds with an almost empty tank and alone in the car. The car launches fast but not that fast, the tested car in the video is a press car from Porsche UK, something CarWow forgot to mention. Smiley

    Porsche press cars have been always comparable to customer cars. It is safe to assume that customer cars deliver the tested performance as well. One of the big advantages of Porsche. No significant volatility in power output.

    But RC says they're not... Smiley

    The best his friend could get was 10.4 so that's what the car's official best number will be.

     Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Boyko23:

    A lot of factors to consider in that comparison between your friend and Carwow - wind, elevation, tarmac, etc. In that video the 992 did 10.1. 

    You can rest assured that all those factors were optimal when RC’s friend did the timing. Hence it is 10.4. Anything lower is impossible SmileySmiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Talking about quarter-mile supercar times is interesting, but I am far more interested in bed-times with my wife.The longer those quarter-mile times, the better.wink


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    It does seem as if the hand of Frank Walliser is showing in the material progress made with the Turbo S.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    bluelines:
    Boyko23:

    A lot of factors to consider in that comparison between your friend and Carwow - wind, elevation, tarmac, etc. In that video the 992 did 10.1. 

    You can rest assured that all those factors were optimal when RC’s friend did the timing. Hence it is 10.4. Anything lower is impossible SmileySmiley

    You and Porker are on another level Smiley - we need a thumb up button badly Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Caymanisking:

    It does seem as if the hand of Frank Walliser is showing in the material progress made with the Turbo S.

    He said many times that he did not have the full capacity to develop the car as per his philosophy because he arrived late in the game i.e. car was almost ready but he did put small touches here and there. GTS should be Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Boyko23:

    A lot of factors to consider in that comparison between your friend and Carwow - wind, elevation, tarmac, etc. In that video the 992 did 10.1. 

    Perfect summary Smiley 

    P.S.: It is certainly a joke if anybody would argue 10.4 is right or 10.1 is wrong. The difference is 3%. Total nonsense to claim the lower figure is impossible just because some other driver in totally different conditions achieved a 3% higher result


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    MKSGR:
    Boyko23:

    A lot of factors to consider in that comparison between your friend and Carwow - wind, elevation, tarmac, etc. In that video the 992 did 10.1. 

    Perfect summary Smiley 

    P.S.: It is certainly a joke if anybody would argue 10.4 is right or 10.1 is wrong. The difference is 3%. Total nonsense to claim the lower figure is impossible just because some other driver in totally different conditions achieved a 3% higher result

    Eey, don’t you come here and be reasonable. Look at you, trying to hide behind facts, maths and common sense. Everyone knows that RC’s friend is the fastest.
     

    Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    bluelines:

    Eey, don’t you come here and be reasonable. Look at you, trying to hide behind facts, maths and common sense. Everyone knows that RC’s friend is the fastest.
     

    Smiley

    How dare you? Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    TB993tt:
    RC:
     

    Mat can't even pronounce the brand name Porsche correctly, I do not expect him to be a car expert. Smiley 

    He's a Brummie, he's doing a review in English and not pretending to be a linguist you can bet he also calls the capital of France Pariss rather than Paree

    Paris is a brand name? Smiley I thought it is a city. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    bluelines:
    MKSGR:
    Boyko23:

    A lot of factors to consider in that comparison between your friend and Carwow - wind, elevation, tarmac, etc. In that video the 992 did 10.1. 

    Perfect summary Smiley 

    P.S.: It is certainly a joke if anybody would argue 10.4 is right or 10.1 is wrong. The difference is 3%. Total nonsense to claim the lower figure is impossible just because some other driver in totally different conditions achieved a 3% higher result

    Eey, don’t you come here and be reasonable. Look at you, trying to hide behind facts, maths and common sense. Everyone knows that RC’s friend is the fastest.
     

    Smiley

    Are you nuts? I am the fastest. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    MKSGR:
    Boyko23:

    A lot of factors to consider in that comparison between your friend and Carwow - wind, elevation, tarmac, etc. In that video the 992 did 10.1. 

    Perfect summary Smiley 

    P.S.: It is certainly a joke if anybody would argue 10.4 is right or 10.1 is wrong. The difference is 3%. Total nonsense to claim the lower figure is impossible just because some other driver in totally different conditions achieved a 3% higher result

    When did you do your last quarter mile measurement, Markus? 30 years ago? With a stop watch? Smiley

    We use Dragy almost every weekend for some comparisons, the results are amazingly accurate, this is why (almost) nobody uses a Performance Box anymore, too inconvenient. If the Dragy has free line of sight (directly under the windshield in the middle), the precision is astonishing.

    Between the fastest and the slowest cars in a super sports car group, the time difference over the 1/4 mile is around 0.7 seconds.  Trust me, 0.3 seconds are a very big difference. My GLC 63S AMG did 12.1 seconds last time, tank was almost empty though but my son was with me in the car.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    MKSGR:
    RC:
    MKSGR:
    RC:
    Caymanisking:

    Wow - 10.1 seconds on a less than optimal surface. This car launches like nothing else!

    10.1 is impossible. The best a friend could do (measured with Dragy) was 10.4 seconds with an almost empty tank and alone in the car. The car launches fast but not that fast, the tested car in the video is a press car from Porsche UK, something CarWow forgot to mention. Smiley

    Porsche press cars have been always comparable to customer cars. It is safe to assume that customer cars deliver the tested performance as well. One of the big advantages of Porsche. No significant volatility in power output.

    You are kidding, right?! Smiley

    No, I cannot remember a single case were the performance of test cars differed from that of customer cars Smiley

    I have driven a 992 turbo S a few times and it extremely fast


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Extremely fast compared to?... Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    RC:
    TB993tt:
    RC:
     

    Mat can't even pronounce the brand name Porsche correctly, I do not expect him to be a car expert. Smiley 

    He's a Brummie, he's doing a review in English and not pretending to be a linguist you can bet he also calls the capital of France Pariss rather than Paree

    Paris is a brand name? Smiley I thought it is a city. Smiley

    You want to hear some Brits trying to pronounce Hermes or even Givenchy , doesn't make any difference whether it is a brand name, a city or food, most Brits just say it as they see it phonetically in English.

    I googled and found an interesting site which highlights this issue and true enough Por-sha is there Smiley

    https://blog.hubspot.com/agency/pronounce-brand-name-wrong-infographic

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Well, Americans don't want to know how Germans usually pronounce Nike. Smiley

    My son got in an argument with one of his class mates but he made 5 EUR out of the resulting bet, so... Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    I enjoy no accent in German or English.  Want to trip up a German have him say squirrel.  Same with an American trying to say it in German. 
    Hope to get a test drive in the new Turbo soon. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    nothing beats the French guy and accent in term of pronunciation smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    the-missile:

    nothing beats the French guy and accent in term of pronunciation smiley

    Correction: French woman... Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Guys, vous etes slipping.  It took 15 pages to get here.  Can we please return to the topic thread--RC's next car (which he won't buy because he's keeping the current car forever).


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Compared to your Audi Performante Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    waiting for PDK:

    Guys, vous etes slipping.  It took 15 pages to get here.  Can we please return to the topic thread--RC's next car (which he won't buy because he's keeping the current car forever).

    Smiley The Turbo S certainly won't be my next car, maybe my wife's but I think I convinced her to save money and get the next GTS instead. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Italo:

    Compared to your Audi Performante Smiley

    Well, better than a VW Beetle on steroids. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    991.2 Turbo S cab vs 992 Turbo S

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em1Ey3ekf6g

    My 991.2 car is stock other than Europipe 2 exhaust.

    Rumour 2018/19 cars all got turbo s Exclusive tune so 625PS.  

    992 Turbo S nearly crashed at the end Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Porsche 911 Turbo S (2020)

    Now this video makes much more sense. Smiley Unfortunately we cannot see when the 992 Turbo S started.

    The 992 Turbo S driver certainly should have slowed down earlier but maybe he has done this before, so...


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