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    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    RC:
    MKSGR:

    What are you doing with this beautiful, fact based thread Smiley It is full of off-topic pictures now Smiley

    If I were Trump, people would call me sexist now... Smiley Smiley 

    Trump would probably post some more explicit pictures/documentation Smiley


    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    MKSGR:
    RC:
    MKSGR:
    RC:
    . He also likes the sound because it doesn't get annoying on longer trips.

    This is true - for example, the 488 is already a bit noisy (engine sound) if driven at 200kph on the Autobahn. In the turbo s you can just cruise and enjoy how calm the car is Smiley

    I could never do that but understand when other people do.

    You always enjoy loud engine noise when traveling longer distances on the Autobahn Smiley I prefer good music from an excellent sound system in these situations Smiley

    Fully agree, while travelling it´s so much better to have silent cabin and a good sound system Smiley


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    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    Of course it is nice to listen to the engine when accelerating, braking, accelerating again for quite some time. However, if you set the cruise control to 190 or 200kph on an empty Autobahn (to avoid going faster than necessary) it is just nice to have a more moderate engine noise Smiley


    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    MKSGR:

    Of course it is nice to listen to the engine when accelerating, braking, accelerating again for quite some time. However, if you set the cruise control to 190 or 200kph on an empty Autobahn (to avoid going faster than necessary) it is just nice to have a more moderate engine noise Smiley

    The only time I use cruise control is outside Germany, where there are speed limits. Smiley


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    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    The SportAuto Supertest results for the 488GTB are amazing, BTW:

    NBR: 7.21,6

    HHR: 1.07,00

    SmileySmileySmiley

    (Michelin Cup tires)


    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    BTW, the NBR lap time is nearly identical to the AutoZeitung test (done by HvS) Smiley


    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    Indeed. CG prised the car as much as possible. 

    I was also very impressed during two short test drives.

     


    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    must be a hugely prepped car indecision


    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7vk5-Bfd3U


    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    Thanks for posting - looks quick!


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    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    As much as people here dont like turbo engines, they make cars go fast...


    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    SciFrog:

    As much as people here dont like turbo engines, they make cars go fast...

    True, very true but I still don't like them. The 488 has the "best" turbo engine on the market in the super sportscars category in my opinion, very little turbo lag, 991.2 Turbo S comes second. Once you went n/a though, there is no easy coming back. Smiley


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    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    EVO LEADERBOARD

    https://youtu.be/ffIe0zBxDsk

    *sorry, did somehow screw it up with the link and cnnot fix it anymore


    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    This is strange, BTW:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77fXlPMsSBo

    The car in the video needs approx. 3-4s (!) more between 200kph and 300kph than my car, despite being a coupe. Very strange.

    One reason might be that the car was tested in "Sport+" with the different aerodynamic setup. My suspicion would be that some of the magazine tests suffered from the same problem, i.e. those 30s times might be the result of using "Sport+" Smiley


    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    MKSGR:

    This is strange, BTW:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77fXlPMsSBo

    The car in the video needs approx. 3-4s (!) more between 200kph and 300kph than my car, despite being a coupe. Very strange.

    One reason might be that the car was tested in "Sport+" with the different aerodynamic setup. My suspicion would be that some of the magazine tests suffered from the same problem, i.e. those 30s times might be the result of using "Sport+" Smiley

    I know what you mean but we had a comparison in Sport mode (with the PAA Speed mode, not Performance mode, driver was afraid of driving in Sport Plus) and the 991.2 Turbo S wasn't faster than my R8. However, both cars performed basically the same, even over 300 kph there wasn't much difference (not surprising since 1 second from 0-300 kph doesn't mean anything in real life, especially in the higher speed range).

    It would be interesting to see however how big the difference is between 200 and 300 kph between PAA Speed and Performance mode and if all car magazines test their cars in the sportiest mode available.


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    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    RC:
    MKSGR:

    This is strange, BTW:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77fXlPMsSBo

    The car in the video needs approx. 3-4s (!) more between 200kph and 300kph than my car, despite being a coupe. Very strange.

    One reason might be that the car was tested in "Sport+" with the different aerodynamic setup. My suspicion would be that some of the magazine tests suffered from the same problem, i.e. those 30s times might be the result of using "Sport+" Smiley

    I know what you mean but we had a comparison in Sport mode (with the PAA Speed mode, not Performance mode, driver was afraid of driving in Sport Plus) and the 991.2 Turbo S wasn't faster than my R8. However, both cars performed basically the same, even over 300 kph there wasn't much difference (not surprising since 1 second from 0-300 kph doesn't mean anything in real life, especially in the higher speed range).

    It would be interesting to see however how big the difference is between 200 and 300 kph between PAA Speed and Performance mode and if all car magazines test their cars in the sportiest mode available.

    This will be an interesting test indeed - unfortunately, I just had the winter tires installed Smiley


    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    No problem, Markus...maybe next spring or summer. kiss

    I'm not even sure I am going to get winter tires for my R8.


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    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    RC:

    No problem, Markus...maybe next spring or summer. kiss

    I'm not even sure I am going to get winter tires for my R8.

    Pfff! Do you even need winter tires? You got Quattro™Smiley


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    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    RC:

    No problem, Markus...maybe next spring or summer. kiss

    I'm not even sure I am going to get winter tires for my R8.

    It is amazing how the winter tires perform in wet cold climate Smiley Just tried it, wonderful Smiley


    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    MKSGR:
    RC:

    No problem, Markus...maybe next spring or summer. kiss

    I'm not even sure I am going to get winter tires for my R8.

    It is amazing how the winter tires perform in wet cold climate Smiley Just tried it, wonderful Smiley

    True. I did some driving last weekend in my R8 and the ESP came on all the time...even when I was accelerating in straights. Never happened with warmer temperatures, tire temps were around 15°C. Ouch. They are usually over 30°C, even if outside temperature is around 10-12°C. My PZero definitely don't like temperatures below 10°C and your PZero N1 should be even worse. Smiley I assume you have the Sottozeros now on your Turbo S? Pretty good winter tire for such a car.


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    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    RC:
    MKSGR:
    RC:

    No problem, Markus...maybe next spring or summer. kiss

    I'm not even sure I am going to get winter tires for my R8.

    It is amazing how the winter tires perform in wet cold climate Smiley Just tried it, wonderful Smiley

    True. I did some driving last weekend in my R8 and the ESP came on all the time...even when I was accelerating in straights. Never happened with warmer temperatures, tire temps were around 15°C. Ouch. They are usually over 30°C, even if outside temperature is around 10-12°C. My PZero definitely don't like temperatures below 10°C and your PZero N1 should be even worse. Smiley I assume you have the Sottozeros now on your Turbo S? Pretty good winter tire for such a car.

    Sottozero, indeed Smiley


    Re: 991.2 turbo s - Ferrari 488 - McLaren 650s

    MKSGR:
    RC:
    MKSGR:

    This is strange, BTW:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77fXlPMsSBo

    The car in the video needs approx. 3-4s (!) more between 200kph and 300kph than my car, despite being a coupe. Very strange.

    One reason might be that the car was tested in "Sport+" with the different aerodynamic setup. My suspicion would be that some of the magazine tests suffered from the same problem, i.e. those 30s times might be the result of using "Sport+" Smiley

    I know what you mean but we had a comparison in Sport mode (with the PAA Speed mode, not Performance mode, driver was afraid of driving in Sport Plus) and the 991.2 Turbo S wasn't faster than my R8. However, both cars performed basically the same, even over 300 kph there wasn't much difference (not surprising since 1 second from 0-300 kph doesn't mean anything in real life, especially in the higher speed range).

    It would be interesting to see however how big the difference is between 200 and 300 kph between PAA Speed and Performance mode and if all car magazines test their cars in the sportiest mode available.

    This will be an interesting test indeed - unfortunately, I just had the winter tires installed Smiley

    I just read about a Cw comparison of the turbo s in "Sport+" and "Sport". The key result is that using "Sport" instead of "Sport+" results in 200-300kph times that are approximately 1.5s faster.

    That explains the magazine test results where the turbo s did like 30s for 0-300kph. In "Sport" this would be approx. 28.5s - which is again fully consistent with my own GPS tests.

    Funny, that car magazines don't realize what they are doing wrong. Even the manual states that the aerodynamics are worse in "Sport+" and that top speed can only be driven in "Sport" for that reason Smiley


     
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