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    2015 Abu Dhabi F1 Grand Prix at Yas Island

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    As a special treat, my wife and I are due to fly out to Abu Dhabi tomorrow for a long WE, with F1 thrown in for good measure...


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    It is pretty obvious Rosberg and Hamilton needs very different pit strategies for their individual driving style in order to perform the best, and Mercedes' insistence on both cars using the same strategy hurts either drivers depending on which driver they are leaning on at that moment in time. Something will have to give next year.

    After Hamilton locked up the title, Mercedes favours Rosberg more and the results shows. Wonder what we have in store next year?

    Alonso just needed to suck it up, he is grown man. 

    Ferrari seems really ready to challenge Mercedes next year.

    Wonder if Red Bull really ended up with another year of Renault engine for next year or they pulled off the impossible and got themselves a Honda?


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    Didn't really enjoy the race, had the feeling that at no point it became exciting...


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    Whoopsy:

    It is pretty obvious Rosberg and Hamilton needs very different pit strategies for their individual driving style in order to perform the best, and Mercedes' insistence on both cars using the same strategy hurts either drivers depending on which driver they are leaning on at that moment in time. Something will have to give next year.

    After Hamilton locked up the title, Mercedes favours Rosberg more and the results shows. Wonder what we have in store next year?

    Mercedes isn't favoring Rosberg, they just aren't favoring either driver, which to Hamilton, and apparently his fans, looks like they are favoring the other driver. What you're suggesting is that Mercedes somehow give Hamilton a better strategy than Rosberg so that Hamilton can beat him, which would be completely unfair for drivers on the same team. And, frankly, Hamilton would have had a better chance today if he hadn't spent so much time arguing with the team about strategy, which ended up putting him further behind Rosberg than he would have been.

    But, hey, sure, let Hamilton call his own strategy next year, we've seen how well that's worked out for him this season. He'd be lucky to finish the Championship in 3rd.

    What this is is just more whining from Hamilton who's been outdriven by his teammate in the last 3 races.


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    Mercedes' current strategy favours Rosberg that's for sure, Rosberg wears his tires differently than Hamilton. Earlier in the season the team pits more in favour of Hamilton's style and that hurts Rosberg's times. In the end of the season the pitting timing favours Rosberg more in order to secure him 2nd place and perhaps gives him some more gravy on top to please him. 

    Unless you blind, those are pretty obvious. You don't like Hamilton, we get it. 

    It's only fair to both drivers if both benefits from the same pit intervals, but if both drivers have different styles, then the bias will always be there and becomes unfair. 


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    Whoopsy:

    Mercedes' current strategy favours Rosberg that's for sure, Rosberg wears his tires differently than Hamilton. Earlier in the season the team pits more in favour of Hamilton's style and that hurts Rosberg's times. In the end of the season the pitting timing favours Rosberg more in order to secure him 2nd place and perhaps gives him some more gravy on top to please him. 

    Unless you blind, those are pretty obvious. You don't like Hamilton, we get it. 

    It's only fair to both drivers if both benefits from the same pit intervals, but if both drivers have different styles, then the bias will always be there and becomes unfair. 

    Utter nonsense. Mercedes current strategy favors whichever driver is in the lead after the first lap, simply because it doesn't try to advantage one at the expense of the other. In other words, it's completely fair and unbiased, and in the best interest of the team getting the best possible result, which is what it ought to be.

    But, like I said, let Hamilton call his own strategy next season and see how well he does. Every time he's questioned or interfered with strategy this season, it's been to his own and/or the team's detriment, and demonstrated a clear lack of understanding of the situation on track. Hamilton is an emotional driver, not an intellectual driver, and just because he complains, out of frustration that Rosberg beat him, doesn't mean he has a point; it just means he isn't happy with the result.


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    No point in arguing with you, you are so hating Hamilton that nothing will go into your ears. 


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    Well, no point in arguing when you don't have an argument, at least not one based on any facts.


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    Fact is that doing pit strategy favouring the leading driver is not a fair thing in Mercedes, both drivers have different style so one strategy doesn't work with both. Not fair to Rosberg if Hamilton is leading and the pit stops favour Hamilton and vice versa. 

    Fair would be to have them both run pit stops independent of each other, like how other teams do it when they have 2 mostly equal drivers. 


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    When the Mercedes are the two leading cars, it would sure make for a more interesting race if the two were on a different strategy. 


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    Whoopsy:

    Fact is that doing pit strategy favouring the leading driver is not a fair thing in Mercedes, both drivers have different style so one strategy doesn't work with both. Not fair to Rosberg if Hamilton is leading and the pit stops favour Hamilton and vice versa. 

    Fair would be to have them both run pit stops independent of each other, like how other teams do it when they have 2 mostly equal drivers. 

    Their pit strategy works fine for the leading driver, whether it's Hamilton or Rosberg, unless the driver himself messes up. It's worked to Hamilton's advantage more times this season than Rosberg's.


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    apias:
    Whoopsy:

    Fact is that doing pit strategy favouring the leading driver is not a fair thing in Mercedes, both drivers have different style so one strategy doesn't work with both. Not fair to Rosberg if Hamilton is leading and the pit stops favour Hamilton and vice versa. 

    Fair would be to have them both run pit stops independent of each other, like how other teams do it when they have 2 mostly equal drivers. 

    Their pit strategy works fine for the leading driver, whether it's Hamilton or Rosberg, unless the driver himself messes up. It's worked to Hamilton's advantage more times this season than Rosberg's.

     

    See what you just said? That means it's unfair to the other driver. I am not biased so I can see the difference. Rosberg got the short straw a lot of times because of that this year. 

    Fair would means both drivers run their own strategy that would benefit themselves. Not forced to use someone else's strategy. 


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    Whoopsy:
    apias:
    Whoopsy:

    Fact is that doing pit strategy favouring the leading driver is not a fair thing in Mercedes, both drivers have different style so one strategy doesn't work with both. Not fair to Rosberg if Hamilton is leading and the pit stops favour Hamilton and vice versa. 

    Fair would be to have them both run pit stops independent of each other, like how other teams do it when they have 2 mostly equal drivers. 

    Their pit strategy works fine for the leading driver, whether it's Hamilton or Rosberg, unless the driver himself messes up. It's worked to Hamilton's advantage more times this season than Rosberg's.

    See what you just said? That means it's unfair to the other driver. I am not biased so I can see the difference. Rosberg got the short straw a lot of times because of that this year. 

    Fair would means both drivers run their own strategy that would benefit themselves. Not forced to use someone else's strategy. 

    It's not for the team to try to jump one driver past the other. It's the team's job to get the best finish for both of them. It's up to the drivers, in qualifying and the start to put themselves out front and not make mistakes during the race. That's what fair means. (And none of what you are saying now has anything to do with your previous comments.) Hamilton isn't being forced to drive Rosberg's strategy, nor is Rosberg forced to drive Hamilton's strategy, they are both driving the team's strategy.

    This is simply the way things are when one team has a significant advantage over the others by virtue of the superiority of their car and there is no #1 driver policy. The only time it would make sense for the team to put the drivers on different strategies is when they aren't running 1, 2 and they are trying to move one of the drivers past other cars. There's nothing unfair about that for either driver, it's simply the nature of the sport. It doesn't make sense for the team to have drivers running their own strategy and possibly undermining the team's interests.

    This is not the way for F1 to have better racing, by teams undermining their own self interest. The way to better racing is to lift restrictions on engine development so that other teams can become competitive within the season. It's not Mercedes job to put on a show by senselessly having one or both of their drivers running sub-optimal strategies.

    Did you even listen to the radio during the race? Hamilton was asking for a different strategy and he was clearly told their was no better strategy possible. And while he argued with the team about that, he lost more and more time to Rosberg, as his tires went away more and more, making it even less likely he would be in position to take advantage of a mistake by Rosberg, if that had happened.


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    Hopefully this will put an end to all the "Mercedes is favoring Rosberg" nonsense (although, I doubt it): http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/12/analysis-could-hamilton-have-won-f1-abu-dhabi-gp-with-a-different-tyre-decision/

    There are a number of interesting points made, but a few of the most relevant:

    ... What marked this Abu Dhabi Grand Prix out from other races in the Nico Rosberg, Lewis Hamilton era was that Mercedes gave Hamilton quite a bit of autonomy in his strategy choices in the final part of the race. ...

    ... What made it interesting here was they put the ball in [Hamilton's] court and let him and his engineer decide what tyre to use for the final stint and when. ...

    ... The computer models show that the gap was bridgeable after [Hamilton] stopped on lap 41 at 12.5 seconds, with 14 laps to go and on tyres that were 1 second per lap faster, but after a strong start; he suddenly started getting variability in the lap times. He wasn’t able to maintain the charge and it stayed at around 7 secs from Lap 47 to the finish. It has to be said that Rosberg responded very well in what was probably one of his best drives in F1[emphasis mine] ...

    ... [Hamilton] was also using engine modes which clearly the team did not want him to use, as he was told several times to revert to a lower mode. The team explained afterwards, that both drivers have to be in the same mode, otherwise it is unfair. This is a legacy of issues around turning up engine modes in Bahrain and Spain last season. An accord was put into place as a result, which it appears Hamilton tried to override in the final 14 laps in Abu Dhabi. ...

    The bottom line is that Hamilton was given control of his destiny, and Rosberg simply outdrove him, all weekend. And, in a move that I think says everything about Hamilton's character, he even tried to "cheat" by reneging on an agreement governing engine modes made between the team and drivers. Clearly, his ego and sense of entitlement are stronger than his ethics.


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    I don't get the engine mode business. What is the issue? Fuel consumption? Let him use whatever mode he wants to use and pay the price accordingly. Or is it engine durability? Ditto; plus, last race of the season, so who cares?

    "Both drivers have to be int he same mode, otherwise it is unfair"????? Fairness? Are you kidding me? I suppose this is the kind of stupid thinking a team can indulge in when they are so dominant; setting up a little internal "fair game" for their 2 cry-babies. 

     


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    KMM:

    I don't get the engine mode business. What is the issue? Fuel consumption? Let him use whatever mode he wants to use and pay the price accordingly. Or is it engine durability? Ditto; plus, last race of the season, so who cares?

    "Both drivers have to be int he same mode, otherwise it is unfair"????? Fairness? Are you kidding me? I suppose this is the kind of stupid thinking a team can indulge in when they are so dominant; setting up a little internal "fair game" for their 2 cry-babies. 

    Hamilton, Rosberg and Mercedes made an agreement that both drivers have to be in the same engine mode. Hamilton disregarded that agreement -- i.e., he cheated the rules he agreed to race under with Mercedes. It's really as simple as that.


     
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