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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    RC:
    JEANTET:

    Hybridisation will improve a lot.

    We are at the beginning.

    True but hybridization will also make cars heavier... Smiley

     

    And that is the rightful sacrifice to keep a V12 over a tiny 2L 4-banger in a Ferrari.

    Sometimes the weight question is quite overblown. I drove the Cup car and the GT3RS back to back, I certainly didn't noticed the weight difference. Well perhaps during braking where the Cup car stops a lot faster. But then again the heavier still 918 stops quicker than the lighter GT3RS when I drove them back to back on Paul Ricard.

    When a car has enough power, even the acceleration between a light and heavy car is wiped clean. This morning I went for a morning drive with local PCA. I was in the 918, a very much lighter GT4 was behind me, it disappeared into a tiny dot very very quicker on the straights. 


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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    Try driving a Porsche track car that weighs less than 900kg and get back to me...


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    Weight isn't a big deal on road cars and normal roads. You don't care about tire or brake wear on a roadcar, or how fuel efficient it is, and you'll rarely be taking corners in the real world at speeds where you think, "Man, I wish this car was lighter."

    I wouldn't be surprised if the best race car you can make is not the lightest one. 


    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    Again, try driving a 911 that weighs less than 900kg and see if you don't notice.


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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    Grant:

    Again, try driving a 911 that weighs less than 900kg and see if you don't notice.

    Can you even get a modern 911 down to 900kg while maintaining all the best technology and engineering?


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    noone1:
    Grant:

    Again, try driving a 911 that weighs less than 900kg and see if you don't notice.

    Can you even get a modern 911 down to 900kg while maintaining all the best technology and engineering?

    Try one that isn't modern then


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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    Grant:
    noone1:
    Grant:

    Again, try driving a 911 that weighs less than 900kg and see if you don't notice.

    Can you even get a modern 911 down to 900kg while maintaining all the best technology and engineering?

    Try one that isn't modern then

    Well if it's not modern, there is a good chance the technology will compensate for more than the additional weight.

    It happens all the time in road cars. A heavier and lower powered 991 GT3 is probably quicker than an Enzo.

    If you have a 900 kg 911 for me to borrow, I'd be glad to test it and give you my feedback vs a modern exotic. :)


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    You are welcome to drive mine - planning a new motor first...


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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    Whoopsy:

    When a car has enough power, even the acceleration between a light and heavy car is wiped clean. This morning I went for a morning drive with local PCA. I was in the 918, a very much lighter GT4 was behind me, it disappeared into a tiny dot very very quicker on the straights. 

    I hope bluelines doesn't read that. SmileySmileySmiley

     


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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    Rossi:
    Whoopsy:

    When a car has enough power, even the acceleration between a light and heavy car is wiped clean. This morning I went for a morning drive with local PCA. I was in the 918, a very much lighter GT4 was behind me, it disappeared into a tiny dot very very quicker on the straights. 

    I hope bluelines doesn't read that. SmileySmileySmiley

     

    poor guy, his heart will be broken Smiley     


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    To be fair, that GT4 was a red one smiley

    Don't mind the 488, think it got lost and ended up in a PCA meet among 50+ Porsches

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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    Whoopsy:

    To be fair, that GT4 was a red one smiley

    Smiley

    Yes, that explains it. Plus, I bet he was holding back.


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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    Whoopsy:

    Don't mind the 488, think it got lost and ended up in a PCA meet among 50+ Porsches.

    Porsche pack and the yellow leader. Smiley


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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    bluelines:
    Whoopsy:

    To be fair, that GT4 was a red one smiley

    Smiley

    Yes, that explains it. Plus, I bet he was holding back.

    Well, if its any consolation, all the Porsche models would become dots following the 918 in the straights. 


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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    And the corners toosmiley

    The only Porsche that can corner harder is their race cars on slicks.


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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    Whoopsy:

    And the corners toosmiley

    The only Porsche that can corner harder is their race cars on slicks.

    Like the GT4 CS, for example Smiley


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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    Grant:
    noone1:
    Grant:

    Again, try driving a 911 that weighs less than 900kg and see if you don't notice.

    Can you even get a modern 911 down to 900kg while maintaining all the best technology and engineering?

    Try one that isn't modern then

    Try to have an accident in one of these... Smiley Smiley


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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    bluelines:
    Whoopsy:

    And the corners toosmiley

    The only Porsche that can corner harder is their race cars on slicks.

    Like the GT4 CS, for example Smiley

     

    Veyr correct sir! Smiley

     


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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    RC:
    Grant:
    noone1:
    Grant:

    Again, try driving a 911 that weighs less than 900kg and see if you don't notice.

    Can you even get a modern 911 down to 900kg while maintaining all the best technology and engineering?

    Try one that isn't modern then

    Try to have an accident in one of these... Smiley Smiley

    I prefer to try to avoid accidents Smiley  In all seriousness, I do have a 3/4 cage and 6-point harnesses, and a fuel cell.  These things help, but there is no getting around the fact that the newer cars are safer.

    I probably wouldn't consider driving in Germany with a car this old (Autobahn speeds are not suitable) and Nurburgring is not the right track for this car either.  But with low speeds on US roads and highways and my local track which is relatively slow (with almost no walls and wide run-off areas), I think the risks are managed to the acceptable level.


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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    How about a singer?


    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    SciFrog:

    How about a singer?

    This is a 964 with the airbags removed.  Not particularly safe, nor particularly light.


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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    Whoopsy:
    bluelines:
    Whoopsy:

    And the corners toosmiley

    The only Porsche that can corner harder is their race cars on slicks.

    Like the GT4 CS, for example Smiley

    Very correct sir! Smiley

    Glad we are on the same page Smiley Smiley


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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    Grant:
    SciFrog:

    How about a singer?

    This is a 964 with the airbags removed.  Not particularly safe, nor particularly light.


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     

     

    Always dreamt of a modded 964 RS for casual track fun but now I got too old for this sh.t... Smiley Smiley Also, they cost now serious money...


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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    RC:
    Grant:
    SciFrog:

    How about a singer?

    This is a 964 with the airbags removed.  Not particularly safe, nor particularly light.

     

    Always dreamt of a modded 964 RS for casual track fun but now I got too old for this sh.t... Smiley Smiley Also, they cost now serious money...

    For the same money you can get a modern track Porsche. And hey - that modern car will be much faster!

    Never got that hype for young-timers. Everything which is build after 1965 is not a real vintage car and you can right away grab a new one instead IMO.


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    Had two friends with modded 964 RS over 15 years ago (one crashed his car, never heard of him again and the other one sold it, so we lost contact) and I loved them. These cars were sooooo fast and so much fun to drive, one was modded to over 500 hp (turbo charged...) and the chassis setup was amazing as well.

    Memories... 


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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    RC:
    Always dreamt of a modded 964 RS for casual track fun but now I got too old for this sh.t... Smiley Smiley Also, they cost now serious money...

    Feeling exactly the same way. One of my first track experiences was in a 964 Cup. Now with some more serious racing experience I would love to try such a car once more. As I remember it, the car was very light and agile, as well as I remember plenty of torque. The fact is that I would never pay the money people are asking these days.


    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    RC:
    Grant:
    SciFrog:

    How about a singer?

    This is a 964 with the airbags removed.  Not particularly safe, nor particularly light.

    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

    Always dreamt of a modded 964 RS for casual track fun but now I got too old for this sh.t... Smiley Smiley Also, they cost now serious money...

    But, but... they are manual only SmileySmiley


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    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    bluelines:
    RC:
    Grant:
    SciFrog:

    How about a singer?

    This is a 964 with the airbags removed.  Not particularly safe, nor particularly light.

    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

    Always dreamt of a modded 964 RS for casual track fun but now I got too old for this sh.t... Smiley Smiley Also, they cost now serious money...

    But, but... they are manual only SmileySmiley

    No tiptronic?angry


    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    Maybe they could build a special version for RC kiss


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    Re: AMG GT Thread Closed

    bluelines:

    Maybe they could build a special version for RC kiss

    Well... Smiley

    Yes, manual only but at that time, I was younger...more flexible Smiley and less annoyed by inefficiency. Smiley

    Got offered a 964 RS with around 35k km for around 60k EUR (not so sure about the exact numbers but in this range) at some point and considered it to be too expensive. Smiley


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