Aug 18, 2006 12:55:33 PM
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Ron (Houston)
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Aug 18, 2006 1:31:20 PM
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Re: Some new 997 GT2 shots
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Rossi said:Quote:
Fanch said:
The car looks so much better without those ridiculous round fog lights!
You are so right!
BTW, front foglights are the most useless option, next to electrical seat adjustment.
I like electrical seat adjustment. Not really necessary, but I prefer the lok of buttons to a handle
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Aug 18, 2006 2:23:41 PM
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Ron (Houston)
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Re: Some new 997 GT2 shots
I don't see the big deal about the sunroof really.
I reckon most will righfully get the GT3/ GT2 without it, but for some costumers, it's a definite plus.
Adds weight is the wrong place indeed, but to them, the added pleasure of a sunroof is worth it.
Additionnal sales for the firm.
I have it on my 2S and really like it. Having said that, I consider my car a great compromise between fun trackdays car and GT.
I wouldn't get it on a GT2/ GT3. However, I'd probably get Aircon, Sat nav and sounds system.
I reckon most will righfully get the GT3/ GT2 without it, but for some costumers, it's a definite plus.
Adds weight is the wrong place indeed, but to them, the added pleasure of a sunroof is worth it.
Additionnal sales for the firm.
I have it on my 2S and really like it. Having said that, I consider my car a great compromise between fun trackdays car and GT.
I wouldn't get it on a GT2/ GT3. However, I'd probably get Aircon, Sat nav and sounds system.
Re: Some new 997 GT2 shots
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Fanch said:
I don't see the big deal about the sunroof really.
I reckon most will righfully get the GT3/ GT2 without it, but for some costumers, it's a definite plus.
Adds weight is the wrong place indeed, but to them, the added pleasure of a sunroof is worth it.
Additionnal sales for the firm.
I have it on my 2S and really like it. Having said that, I consider my car a great compromise between fun trackdays car and GT.
I wouldn't get it on a GT2/ GT3. However, I'd probably get Aircon, Sat nav and sounds system.
If you're tall, the sunroof will definitely be a hindrance.
On a different note, did you notice the WART on the center console? Does this mean the car will have SC?
Re: Some new 997 GT2 shots
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Crash said:Quote:
Ferdie said:
and... a sunroof!
This must be the US version. But come on! Look at it! Now imagine it coming at you from behind at 330 km/h
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You can't imagine the sheer frustration and anger derived from US Porsche motorsport fans, when they put their good money down (100k+ for a GT3, and ~$170k+ for GT2?) and get a sunroof, without the option to get rid of it.
It's a slap in the face by the beancounters.
Re: Some new 997 GT2 shots
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Hurst said:Quote:
Crash said:Quote:
Ferdie said:
and... a sunroof!
This must be the US version
You can't imagine the sheer frustration and anger derived from US Porsche motorsport fans, when they put their good money down (100k+ for a GT3, and ~$170k+ for GT2?) and get a sunroof, without the option to get rid of it.
It's a slap in the face by the beancounters.
I agree, especially if you're 6'4 and your name is Mike Valentine
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Re: Some new 997 GT2 shots
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Hurst said:Quote:
Crash said:Quote:
Ferdie said:
and... a sunroof!
This must be the US version
You can't imagine the sheer frustration and anger derived from US Porsche motorsport fans, when they put their good money down (100k+ for a GT3, and ~$170k+ for GT2?) and get a sunroof, without the option to get rid of it.
It's a slap in the face by the beancounters.
Maybe...maybe not...
My sense is PCNA doesn't have as robust a dialog w/repeat Turbo/GT2/CGT buyers as FNA has w/its repeat buyers
....to gain insights re: what features/specs on current/future cars are truly valued....and how much these jaded buyers would be willing to implicitly pay for these "dream" features/specs....and for costs of P's crash-testing of a 997 w/o sunroof for US certification of perhaps <500 GT3/yr and 50/yr GT2s (in a good initial launch yr 
).... Or perhaps P's high-end repeat buyer base is more price-sensitive than we realize, forcing P to adopt frugal approaches to keep MSRP at tolerable levels, while preserving profit margins which P shareholders demand....
Re: Some new 997 GT2 shots
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VKSF said:Quote:
Hurst said:Quote:
Crash said:Quote:
Ferdie said:
and... a sunroof!
This must be the US version
You can't imagine the sheer frustration and anger derived from US Porsche motorsport fans, when they put their good money down (100k+ for a GT3, and ~$170k+ for GT2?) and get a sunroof, without the option to get rid of it.
It's a slap in the face by the beancounters.
Maybe...maybe not...
My sense is PCNA doesn't have as robust a dialog w/repeat Turbo/GT2/CGT buyers as FNA has w/its repeat buyers
Or perhaps P's high-end repeat buyer base is more price-sensitive than we realize, forcing P to adopt frugal approaches to keep MSRP at tolerable levels, while preserving profit margins which P shareholders demand....
I don't see how this is correlated to a dialogue between customer and PCNA. I think they should know a thing or two about their product.
I mean, they come out with a GT3RS, espousing its "weight-saving" of 20kilos and then throw a sunroof on it. They talk about it being a track-machine, but you can't get a rollcage in it or CF bucket seats in the US.
Who in their right mind is going to buy this? I mean, look at the veritable plethora of options that people have for track-focused cars that tailor to their every need and you start to think maybe Porsche GT3/RS/2 sales in the US will be held up by those enthralled with the brand image and poseurs who take these track machines out in the city.
Don't get me wrong, I love the GT3. It is the Porsche that I drive myself to purchase when it becomes financially viable for me in the future. But, the car I love is not the car being shipped to the States, and it's not so much about x amount of kilos, it's about the philosophy behind the car. I'd rather it weigh more without the sunroof if that's how it was designed to its efficacy.
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On another note, how much money would it cost to crash test the GT3? I'm really curious to know that, because that's the price Porsche is putting on its devout fanbase.
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