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Jul 26, 2005 12:26:16 AM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: LowPolarMoment

Re: Colored Seat Stiching

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MMD, don't they make white gauges and also aluminum gauges for the speedo? I suspect the sport chrono is aluminum to match the Carrera S and Boxster S gauges, yes?

Yes, that's it. You are correct, probably. I'm not sure of the list of color choices you have for the "colored dials" option; white might be one of them.

I'm imprecisely using the jargon, where I think people use "white" to refer to aluminum.

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Jul 26, 2005 12:30:52 AM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: LowPolarMoment

Re: Colored Seat Stiching

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My salesman told me that over 90% of the cars they sell are special ordered to customer specs.

Eh..., I'm not impressed. They're not really "special" they're just combinations of different options. The other thing is many people have no choice and simply must order a car "specially" because there are only five or six base models on the lot and they're are automatics or red or some other color, or option which is problematic for people. Ya know?

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Jul 26, 2005 1:28:33 AM

LowPolarMoment: Senior; Loc: Boca Raton, FL; Posts: 725, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2005; Reply to: MMD

Re: Colored Seat Stiching

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MMD said:
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LowPolarMoment said:
My salesman told me that over 90% of the cars they sell are special ordered to customer specs.

Eh..., I'm not impressed. They're not really "special" they're just combinations of different options. The other thing is many people have no choice and simply must order a car "specially" because there are only five or six base models on the lot and they're are automatics or red or some other color, or option which is problematic for people. Ya know?

I wasn't trying to impress you and don't find doing so an important goal. I was contradicting the posting wherein someone said that the American buyers want instant gratification and don't order cars to their own personal specs. If you don't like the term "special ordered", we'll call it "ordered to the personal specifications picked by the buyer upon placing an order and tendering a deposit". There. That should make you much happier. 90% of the cars sold at the world's highest volume Porsche dealer are ordered to the customers specification upon the buyer placing an order and giving a deposit for a specific model with specific options. Less than 10% of cars they sell were sold from an inventory of cars ordered to the specifications that the dealership picked. I'm sure the dealership knows what people order and they don't order cars for inventory that are different from what they think they'll sell based on what people special order. Ooops, better make that based on what people order to their own specifications upon placing an order and tendering a deposit. The ones they order for inventory are equipped in such a way that they're most sellable in the dealership's eyes. If they didn't know what they were doing, they wouldn't be the largest dealership in the world now would they?

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Jul 26, 2005 1:44:07 AM

Turbo Al: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Rochester, New York , United States; Posts: 2531, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 3, 2005; Reply to: STRADALE

Re: Colored Seat Stiching

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All black 997 interiors already have deviated stitching kinda - The stitching is charcoal. I've seen silver deviated stitching in 996's that looked great. If I could get silver deviated stitching on a black interior 997 with GT-Silver & or Artic I would.

Besides the fact that the deviated stitching in that picture (red stitching in the 997) isn't complete (it's missing in places) red stitching just doesn't look good in Porsche's like it does in Ferrari's. For the Challenge Stradale red stitching was standard and it looks great imo. In Ferrari's devaited stitching like in the below pics looks much better. Even more so in person.

Stradale makes a good point here, which I interpret to mean that like everything else when it comes to choosing colors for a car, it's not only just a matter of personal taste, but also whether or not it's tasteful (or tasteless). The P examples of deviated stitching that look like "a 911 on LSD" have more of a pink than a true red appearance, making the "P" in Porsche stand for pimp (all that's missing in those pics is some fuzzy dice and tinted windows

), and the red stitching on the F car looks more red. The original request for yellow stitching on a 997 could look pretty cool, especially with a black leather interior and a black or yellow exterior.

It would be interesting to know why PCNA restricts special order options. Fortunately for me, my tastes tend to run conservative, so color-wise, I'm easy to please. But I would think in PAG's most important market, there would be more pressure to offer more options. Any thoughts from the rennteam senior members and other American members?

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Jul 26, 2005 1:53:14 AM

LowPolarMoment: Senior; Loc: Boca Raton, FL; Posts: 725, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2005; Reply to: Turbo Al

Re: Colored Seat Stiching

Al Pettee said: ..... when it comes to choosing colors for a car, it's not only just a matter of personal taste, but also whether or not it's tasteful (or tasteless).

And whether or not it's "tasteful" isn't personal? Who gets to decide a car is tasteful if not the buyer?

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Jul 26, 2005 2:02:30 AM

Turbo Al: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Rochester, New York , United States; Posts: 2531, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 3, 2005; Reply to: LowPolarMoment

Re: Colored Seat Stiching

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LowPolarMoment said:Who gets to decide a car is tasteful if not the buyer?

The other drivers on the road who get to watch the car cruise by.

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Jul 26, 2005 5:36:40 AM

WBH: Expert; Loc: CA; Posts: 1963, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 2, 2004; Reply to: STRADALE

Re: Colored Seat Stiching

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STRADALE said:
All black 997 interiors already have deviated stitching kinda - The stitching is charcoal. I've seen silver deviated stitching in 996's that looked great. If I could get silver deviated stitching on a black interior 997 with GT-Silver & or Artic I would.

Besides the fact that the deviated stitching in that picture (red stitching in the 997) isn't complete (it's missing in places) red stitching just doesn't look good in Porsche's like it does in Ferrari's. For the Challenge Stradale red stitching was standard and it looks great imo. In Ferrari's devaited stitching like in the below pics looks much better. Even more so in person.

Stradale, got addicted to deviated stitching from having ordered several bespoke 360s/430s (now can't envision a "proper" sports car w/o deviated stitching). Have also gotten couple of 996TTS w/red stitching/belts on blk/blk (for P, it's a PIA to order all the right option codes to make sure deviated stitching is everywhere....unlike F, where it's one simple option code and a downright dirt- cheap option vs P

) and it looks just as interesting in a P as on similar F-cars (hell, F is only now offering painted wheels on a custom basis...and still hasn't gotten on the colored belt bandwagon).

Would say that P buyer base in US, unlike e.g. Munich (for whatever reason) is prob less comfortable w/deviated stitching, colored belts, painted wheels, etc. But in talking to FNA, sounds like most F buyers outside of jaded mkts like Greenwich/SF tend to order the usual, simplistic red/tan or silver/blk, no CCM resale/flip value-oriented F's...it's usually the guys who get new toys every 6-12 mos who tend to order the bespoke toys w/more sophisticated color combos....and if combo doesn't look as interesting/pleasurable in real-life as imagined, who cares?....getting rid of the car in a few mths anyway to make room for the next great toy of the moment......

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Jul 26, 2005 3:26:49 PM

MMD: Rennteam VIP; Loc: usa; Posts: 9652, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: WBH

Good Taste Vs. Bad Taste

Taste is good if it follows rules and shows that the person exhibiting it is sophisticated enough to understand these rules. Rule number one of good taste is to choose items which are classic or timeless by evocative use of design or materials. If you can bend these rules ever-so-slightly (according to a present-day nuance) and still maintain a timeless or classic quality then you've done great things. There are more rules but I'm not qualified to explain them.

Bad taste is when the person shows no regard for these rules. Especially rule number one.

Being different for the sake of being different usually comprises bad taste.

Hey, I'm just trying to help explain this uppity concept. Don't accuse me of having either taste or no taste.

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Jul 26, 2005 3:30:47 PM

LowPolarMoment: Senior; Loc: Boca Raton, FL; Posts: 725, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2005; Reply to: Turbo Al

Re: Colored Seat Stiching

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Al Pettee said:
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LowPolarMoment said:Who gets to decide a car is tasteful if not the buyer?

The other drivers on the road who get to watch the car cruise by.

Do you slow down and watch for a thumbs up/down so you'll know what they're thinking?

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Jul 26, 2005 4:06:13 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: MMD

Re: Colored Seat Stiching

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Doubt it highly that it was requested and Porsche made a mistake. More likely the customer didn't specify the stitching for the hand-brake, shifter or it wasn't available. Also, I'm pretty sure Porsche does the "dash leather" and "seat leather" stitching at Porsche not at other suppliers.

I'm obviously not informed about of the details, just trying to illustrate what might account for the missing red stitches on the ebrake and shifter boot.

It's really "awful" that there's conflictng stitching color. It's like the sport chrono dial being white when the customer orders colored guages.

IOW, why put type of verbiage in their brochures where they say how proud they are to build cars with "no compromises?"

"Wow the all the guage cluster dial colors don't match the sport chrono! Must have been the way the customer ordered them."

I dunno. I feel bad for the guy who orders red guages and gets a white SC.

Agreed. There's so many different option codes for the deviated stitch under Porsche that an unexperienced salesman and a first time P=car buyer could have easily had a miss ordering red and charcoal. If it was a silver stitch it wouldn't have looked as bad. As for the sports chrono being a different color then the gauges I think this happened because it was an entirely new option (sports chrono) I gave some thought to ordering black dials but I shyed away when I couldn't get confirmation that the chrono clock would also be black. I decided better to be safe then sorry, it wasn't that important to me. However, I'm sure people ordered colored gauges and probably thought the chrono clock would come the same color OR even more likely didn't get that far in the thought process at all. No where in the 997 ordering book or the ordering guide does it address this issue. There may even be people that think it looks good this way - red gauges, white chrono. Doubt it but who knows.

I know that it has been discussed on RENNTEAM and consensous was - On the S if you order black dials the chrono is automatically black. But I saw an S with black dials and a alum. chrono so I'm not positive this is true. Dunno.

"It's like the sport chrono dial being white when the customer orders colored guages."
Yup ! Part of the great thing about RENNTEAM for me is learning about the details. More details then I alone could ever learn about on my own. It's all in the details.

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Jul 26, 2005 4:41:47 PM

STRADALE: Rennteam VIP; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 11075, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 9, 2005; Reply to: Turbo Al

Re: Colored Seat Stiching

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Al Pettee said:
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STRADALE said:
All black 997 interiors already have deviated stitching kinda - The stitching is charcoal. I've seen silver deviated stitching in 996's that looked great. If I could get silver deviated stitching on a black interior 997 with GT-Silver & or Artic I would.

Besides the fact that the deviated stitching in that picture (red stitching in the 997) isn't complete (it's missing in places) red stitching just doesn't look good in Porsche's like it does in Ferrari's. For the Challenge Stradale red stitching was standard and it looks great imo. In Ferrari's devaited stitching like in the below pics looks much better. Even more so in person.

Stradale makes a good point here, which I interpret to mean that like everything else when it comes to choosing colors for a car, it's not only just a matter of personal taste, but also whether or not it's tasteful (or tasteless). The P examples of deviated stitching that look like "a 911 on LSD" have more of a pink than a true red appearance, making the "P" in Porsche stand for pimp (all that's missing in those pics is some fuzzy dice and tinted windows ), and the red stitching on the F car looks more red. The original request for yellow stitching on a 997 could look pretty cool, especially with a black leather interior and a black or yellow exterior.

It would be interesting to know why PCNA restricts special order options. Fortunately for me, my tastes tend to run conservative, so color-wise, I'm easy to please. But I would think in PAG's most important market, there would be more pressure to offer more options. Any thoughts from the rennteam senior members and other American members?

One of the things I always do when spec'ing out a car or building a bike is to stick to a theme throughout. The nicest cars and bikes out there whether they are top shelf show material or everyday drivers have this in common. Ever see an suv with all kinds of aftermarket parts from all kinds of aftermarket suppliers ? Like a mish-mosh of stuff thrown on a different times without thought of a common co-hesive theme. I see this with Harley's all the time. The guy puts a gold eagle covering one part, a chrome piece on another, a black powder- coated piece on yet another. Good, professional looking customs appear as if ALL the parts were planned well IN ADVANCE to compliment each other. They flow. When spec'ing out a car the same should be true.

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Jul 26, 2005 5:09:55 PM

DaveC: Veteran; Loc: FL, USA , United States; Posts: 1068, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2005; Reply to: STRADALE

Re: Colored Seat Stiching

Porsche's are pretty much suits off the rack and the vast majority of its customers (evidently worldwide not just provincial USA) seem to like it that way. We've come a long way from the era when a client bought a rolling chasis and brought it to a specialty shop for a custom body. Less individuality, but more people have access in the process, so like everything else, there's and up side and a down side. As far as "taste" is concerned, it varies with the "zeitgeist", if there are rules they apply only insofar as their specific fashion reigns. The "common" taste is often unreliable (witness impressionist art which could be purchased for little or no money at the turn of the last century up until the late 1930s). That art today is either in museums or in the hands of the ultrawealthy. Buy what you like and can afford, if others don't like it, decide in advance if you have the strength of character to ignore them. If not, get a suit of the rack and wear it well.

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