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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Grant:
    DaveC:

    The price of $160K USD is not c/w previous limited editions like the Speedster or the non US Sport Classic, but perhaps there is a first time for everything.

    The RS 4.0 was $180k and was probably more special than the R...

    The RS 4.0 was more than it's GT3 RS "counterpart".


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Whoopsy:
    LP997:
    Grant:
    DaveC:

    The price of $160K USD is not c/w previous limited editions like the Speedster or the non US Sport Classic, but perhaps there is a first time for everything.

    The RS 4.0 was $180k and was probably more special than the R...

    You have the final spec of the car? me i have just rumor...Wait Geneva and ok after say me is more special than an RS 4.0 ok? ;)

     

    The R won't have a 'special' engine like the 4.0 in the 997 RS 4.0 version. It will run on the 'regular' GT3 3.8L engine for one.

    Last information I had was the 4.0 l from the GT3 RS but I also know that they had thermodynamical issues because of the lack of the side vents and word was that the R gets "only" 470-480 hp to cope with that issue but using the 3.8 l engine would probably make sense as well. We just need to wait and see. The car I saw had PDK and rear seats, so a lot seems to be going on with R development.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    i have heard 4.0 RS also, rear seats i have doubt for the lightweight treatment...


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    997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    LP997:

    i have heard 4.0 RS also, rear seats i have doubt for the lightweight treatment...

    No, the latest information was no rear seats and no PDK but 4.0 l engine. 

    However, since the car doesn't seem to have the green light yet, it could also mean that the Porsche bosses weren't happy with the car they "saw" and maybe things will change. Maybe a 3.8 l engine, maybe PDK, maybe rear seats, whatever but no matter how the car will be available: If it is limited edition (around 600 cars as rumored before), it will not be the bargain many seem to hope for. Not even close.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


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    Dealer Principal at my OPC says he is expecting max 1 991R allocation


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    911 R (1967) had a high rev engine.

    the 991 R should have a similar engine with a 3.8 510 HP... engine... = 135 HP / L

     


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    rickman:

    911 R (1967) had a high rev engine.

    the 991 R should have a similar engine with a 3.8 510 HP... engine... = 135 HP / L

     

    How would the 3.8L get 35hp more than before?  It already revs to 9k (and has not been without incident).  Don't think the compression can go much higher and still work on pump fuel.  Maybe different camshafts that make peak hp right at 9k?


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Grant:
    rickman:

    911 R (1967) had a high rev engine.

    the 991 R should have a similar engine with a 3.8 510 HP... engine... = 135 HP / L

     

    How would the 3.8L get 35hp more than before?  It already revs to 9k (and has not been without incident).  Don't think the compression can go much higher and still work on pump fuel.  Maybe different camshafts that make peak hp right at 9k?

     

    if the R 991 is very light , it should be , we can imagine a sharper motor with less torque down and more power at the top . Less torque down allows for narrower tires ... it's a virtuous circle.


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    rickman:

    if the R 991 is very light , it should be , we can imagine a sharper motor with less torque down and more power at the top . Less torque down allows for narrower tires ... it's a virtuous circle.

    I'll just take the 4.0, please.  I can survive with only 8,800 rpm Smiley  Even though the 67 911R had an engine exactly half as large, it only revved to 8k.

    The extra torque will be nice with a 6 speed...


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


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    The 1967 911 remains to date the lightest factory road legal 911 ever made (800 Kg) . I would assume that one of the main features of the 991 R will be the weight (last I heard was 1350 Kg).


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Since the GT3 is 1,428 1,350 seems very far...


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    From a very good source the R has the 4.0 motor and many Carbon body parts....


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    997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    LP997:

    From a very good source the R has the 4.0 motor and many Carbon body parts....

    500+ HP ?


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    m4ever:
    LP997:

    From a very good source the R has the 4.0 motor and many Carbon body parts....

    500+ HP ?

    I have not the final number but this information are from the official sales brochure ( i have not ) but some 918 owner have some more information about the normal Human :)


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    997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    m4ever:
    LP997:

    From a very good source the R has the 4.0 motor and many Carbon body parts....

    500+ HP ?

    You are kidding, right? Below 500, below. 


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    RC:
    m4ever:
    LP997:

    From a very good source the R has the 4.0 motor and many Carbon body parts....

    500+ HP ?

    You are kidding, right? Below 500, below. 

          If it is the last non GT , naturally aspirated  911 , then it could make sense to have an even more special engine in it. One of the highights of the 1967 R was the engine itself : directly taken from the racing Carrera 6 . I sincerely hope Porsche will install a blue printed GT3 RS engine in it. All of this is speculation though.


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    The 911 R engine will be pretty much the same Porsche has in their inventory, with some adaptation to different thermodynamics (lack of side vents) and manual transmission.

    Don't forget that in the past (many decades ago), the emissions/noise regulations were not even close to the current restrictions. So it was pretty easy for Porsche to use a certain (racing derived) setup. These times have gone...a long time ago.


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    RC:

    The 911 R engine will be pretty much the same Porsche has in their inventory, with some adaptation to different thermodynamics (lack of side vents) and manual transmission.

    Don't forget that in the past (many decades ago), the emissions/noise regulations were not even close to the current restrictions. So it was pretty easy for Porsche to use a certain (racing derived) setup. These times have gone...a long time ago.

        All valid arguments. I still hope Porsche will surprise us with something exciting. Well few weeks more and the long wait will be over. Btw latest rumor  I heard is that the production number is between 900 and 1000 .


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    900-1000? This means they have raised production number. A bit too much in my opinion, unless they make the car cheaper (but I highly doubt it). Let's see if it gets the green light (haven't heard anything new yet).

    Special? Well, many GT3 RS parts, GT3 RS engine (maybe 3.8 GT3 but I heard 4.0), lots of light weight parts, GT3 chassis and brake system (PCCB may be optional), to me this car already sounds very special if you ask me.


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    RC:

    900-1000? Cela signifie qu'ils ont soulevé nombre de production. Un peu trop à mon avis, à moins qu'ils ne font la voiture moins cher (mais je doute fortement). Voyons voir si elle obtient le feu vert (ont pas encore entendu quelque chose de nouveau).

    Spécial? Eh bien, de nombreuses régions GT3 RS, moteur RS GT3 (peut-être 3,8 GT3 mais j'entendu 4.0), beaucoup de pièces légères, châssis GT3 et du système de freinage PCCB (peut être en option), pour moi cette voiture sonne déjà très spécial si vous me demandez .

    Yes special for sur and like i said body panel in Carbon and the 4.0 RS, very light...But the number of 900-1000 never heard that like i said 500-600 worldwide cars...


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    For the rumored price it better be REALLY special...


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    LP997:
    RC:

    900-1000? Cela signifie qu'ils ont soulevé nombre de production. Un peu trop à mon avis, à moins qu'ils ne font la voiture moins cher (mais je doute fortement). Voyons voir si elle obtient le feu vert (ont pas encore entendu quelque chose de nouveau).

    Spécial? Eh bien, de nombreuses régions GT3 RS, moteur RS GT3 (peut-être 3,8 GT3 mais j'entendu 4.0), beaucoup de pièces légères, châssis GT3 et du système de freinage PCCB (peut être en option), pour moi cette voiture sonne déjà très spécial si vous me demandez .

    Yes special for sur and like i said body panel in Carbon and the 4.0 RS, very light...But the number of 900-1000 never heard that like i said 500-600 worldwide cars...

    What does-It mean very light ? The 997 gt3 RS 4.0 is 1360 as it's best !


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    SciFrog:

    For the rumored price it better be REALLY special...

    997 speedster was very expensive but not so special...


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Wait Geneva Guys wait... And you have the answer ;)


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    997 GT3 RS 3.6 - 964 RS - 991 GT3 RS


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    LP997:

    Wait Geneva Guys wait... And you have the answer ;)

    One month left...


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Just a hint since I can not tell more at the moment, even via PMs...

    Got an indepth info and it confirms what Aldo wrote here already. Some people will be pleased, some will be stunned and others will be deeply disappointed.  Car will divide opinions as much as possible.

    Little bit more... If you are Porsche collector(or fluent speculator) or die hard manual fanatic(which can spend that much) go for it. But, if you already own 991 GT3 or GT3 RS and love it (especially PDK-S) do not bother. Your car is faster in every way and as much invloving as forthcoming 911 R.


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    If I had the money I would get the 997 4.0l RS instead of any of the above.


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    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    bluelines:

    If I had the money I would get the 997 4.0l RS instead of any of the above.

    Me2.

    But unfortunately we will see fewer and fewer of these on the tracks because of the crazy pricing.
    So if you had one - would you drive it?

     


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    So how certain are we that its below GT3 RS price? Not that I could still get one, but at that price I would be interested!


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Kobalt:
    bluelines:

    If I had the money I would get the 997 4.0l RS instead of any of the above.

    Me2.

    But unfortunately we will see fewer and fewer of these on the tracks because of the crazy pricing.
    So if you had one - would you drive it?

     

    + 1 . But as Kobalt says, when the price sky rockets like that you do not dare to drive it too much anymore , which is sad .....


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