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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    GT4 is way better car then forthcoming 911R, IMHO. And when you add price tag to the math...


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Whoopsy:

    http://www.worldcarfans.com/1160217104045/porsche-911-r-spied-undisguised-ahead-of-geneva

     

    These photos show the same rims on the car as the ones we have seem lately on a camo car that was supposed to be the next GT3 . Some were doughting it was the next GT3 . Maybe they were right . Good thing Smiley


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    KresoF1:
    RC:
    KresoF1:

    Saw some real info (read scan of official sales material) about R yesterday.

    Yes, some claims that you wrote seems reasonable.  But, R is IMHO far cry from sportscar a la 991 GT3 or RS. It is more something like mixed bag of different parts wisely put together. I simply hate some things about R and the way Porsche marketing is explaining its merrits. 

    More when the car is officially out. It will for sure rise some eyebrows...

    What did you expect? Of course they are using parts from the existing parts bin, this is the only way this car is actually profitable but still, a very nice and interesting offer from Porsche and I would get one instantly if I could afford it right now (which I cannot, unfortunately). The only think which will rise some eyebrows will be very likely the price tag Smiley but nobody really expects the R to be a pure track car. It isn't.

    Let's put it this way:

    Manual die hard 911 fanatic? Smiley

    NA engine and manual as true manhood? Smiley

    Rare, partially unique 991 (911) and potential speculators dream? Smiley

    Pure "feel" or better "feel" then what 991.1 GT3/GT3 RS is providing? Smiley Smiley

    Faster on the road or track then 991.1 GT3/GT3 RS? Smiley Smiley Smiley

     

    More than half of the cars go to the US and according to what I heard, over 90% of the targeted US customers are demanding a manual transmission on such a car. Smiley

    This car will not be marketed as a GT or track car but a very special light weight limited edition model for the 911 aficionado. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    KresoF1:

    GT4 is way better car then forthcoming 911R, IMHO. And when you add price tag to the math...

    Better track car...very likely. Better car? Not really. You get better performance (straight line at least) and more interior room. For the price of a 911 R you could get, of course, two well equipped GT4. Smiley

    Also, no rear wing, very stealth and all those special badges and insignias will clearly show to people what they're dealing with. Trust me, whoever will drive a 911 R will be the "highlight" of every Porsche meet.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

     


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    KresoF1:
    Pure "feel" or better "feel" then what 991.1 GT3/GT3 RS is providing? Smiley Smiley

     

     

    Does that mean GTS chassis ? Or no real  weight gain ?


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Gnil:
    KresoF1:
    Pure "feel" or better "feel" then what 991.1 GT3/GT3 RS is providing? Smiley Smiley

     

     

    Does that mean GTS chassis ? Or no real  weight gain ?

    The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing and without PDK (still not clear but very likely). Chassis is GT3 derived and has nothing to do with the GTS.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Lukas:
    Gnil:
    Whoopsy:

    http://www.worldcarfans.com/1160217104045/porsche-911-r-spied-undisguised-ahead-of-geneva

     

    These photos show the same rims on the car as the ones we have seem lately on a camo car that was supposed to be the next GT3 . Some were doughting it was the next GT3 . Maybe they were right . Good thing Smiley

    Theses rims are just the "ordinary" Turbo S wheels so don't see what's special about them Smiley

    They are not special , but could show that that it was the same car as this one . The R , and not the future Gt3.2.

    It would also make sense that they test the R with winter wheels  . Before they have not tested GT3's with winter wheels 


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    7 speed or 6 speed manual transmission?

    I bet it's 7 speed.


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    RC:
    Gnil:
    KresoF1:
    Pure "feel" or better "feel" then what 991.1 GT3/GT3 RS is providing? Smiley Smiley

     

     

    Does that mean GTS chassis ? Or no real  weight gain ?

    The 911 R is basically a GT3 without rear wing and without PDK (still not clear but very likely). Chassis is GT3 derived and has nothing to do with the GTS.

    So it is a product of Preuninger's team?


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    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    sfo:

    7 speed or 6 speed manual transmission?

    I bet it's 7 speed.

    I hope it is not the manual version of the PDK box Smiley


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    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | White | Full Bucket Seats | Sport Chrono
    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    KresoF1:
    rickman:

    I hope a hydraulic steering  !

    Joke or real hope?

    No way...

    why a joke ?

     

     


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    bluelines:
    sfo:

    7 speed or 6 speed manual transmission?

    I bet it's 7 speed.

    I hope it is not the manual version of the PDK box Smiley

    + 1    


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    bluelines:
    sfo:

    7 speed or 6 speed manual transmission?

    I bet it's 7 speed.

    I hope it is not the manual version of the PDK box Smiley

    it is in the standard 991s ..

    unless they develop a different/special manual gearbox for the R, which seems unlikely


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Rumour has it that they developed this new gearbox as it is also for the next GT3. 


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Manual version of the PDK with different gearing is the most likely scenario


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Whoopsy:

    Manual version of the PDK with different gearing is the most likely scenario

     

    I have not driven the 7-speed PDK based manual but as I understand it it is not so very much involving or maybe it is?


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Totally unimpressed by the pics... The R will only be a small step in the right direction. Weight savings look minimal, no rear seat, no PDK and sort of bland styling... At GT3 prices it might make sense. At $160k not really, above is just ridiculous...


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    WAY:

    Rumour has it that they developed this new gearbox as it is also for the next GT3. 

    That would be very nice....


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    2010 997.2 GT3        2012  987.2 S BE #262/987        2016 981 GT4


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    I tried it before, it shifts fine, but I only used the 1st 5 gears anyway, no need for the last 2.

    The rev-match is cool, pedal effort is fine. I actually don't see anything wrong with it 


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    If this is true it harks back to pre facelift looks.


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Retro! indecision


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    2013 BMW 750 xDrive & 2014 x5 & 2014 991 TTS Cab 2014 BMW i3 2017 Porsche Mission E & 991.2 GT3 on order


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Gnil:

    Targa Tim, 

    The club coupé is special, but not that special . Many country have these '' exclusive'' models made . It is done by the Local importers .

    Our club coupé , called Swiss limited edition, has been produced only at 14 pieces . Does it make it more exclusive  then the North American Club coupé ?

    And I am also joining a photo to the Dutch Club coupé . Also special and unique color as all the other '' special '' models .

    Your blue collection is great and special . But lets not get fooled by the '' speciality '' of it . I am still sure it bets better value then the others of course .

     

    Thanks Gnil for your info, and I totally agree with you.

    To many others, my car is just a GTS with a special color, which is totally fine with me, as I would have gotten a GTS in other blue color anyway if club coupe is not available.  At least I do not feel being "rip off" by Porsche as my car does not cost a lot more than a usual GTS with PTS and duck tail added on.

    Driving the only car in your province (and one of 3 in your country) is a very good feeling that is priceless to me.  Future resale value is irrelevant to me as there is no plan of selling.

    Don't get me wrong too, I really like the concept of this 911R, as everything about this car is good.  The only thing that I dislike is the rumor that it may cost more than an RS, as I still don't see the reason why.yes


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    Tim

    2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe;  2016 911 GTS Club Coupe;  2015 Macan S
     


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    I'm surprised about the comments saying that the R will be a worse track car than a GT4.  Why would this be?  The weight is in the same general category and the R has ~100hp more (with dry sump) and the GT3 (multi-link rear) suspension.  Why wouldn't this be a great track car (even if the GT3 and RS might have a bit more downforce)?  If it's basically a lightened GT3 with manual, sounds like a recipe for a pretty serious track car to me (and obviously great road car too).

    Even if it has to forego the e-diff and uses instead the mechanical LSD, this is same as GT4.


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    ......just using up left-over NA engines.


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    964C2:

    ......just using up left-over NA engines.

    Which would you rather have?  A left-over 4.0L RS dry sump 8,800rpm NA motor or a 3.0L turbo wet sump brand new motor?


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Grant:

    I'm surprised about the comments saying that the R will be a worse track car than a GT4.  Why would this be?  The weight is in the same general category and the R has ~100hp more (with dry sump) and the GT3 (multi-link rear) suspension.  Why wouldn't this be a great track car (even if the GT3 and RS might have a bit more downforce)?  If it's basically a lightened GT3 with manual, sounds like a recipe for a pretty serious track car to me (and obviously great road car too).

    Even if it has to forego the e-diff and uses instead the mechanical LSD, this is same as GT4.


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     

     

    because people think a track car have a big aero...I'm pretty sure this car is more fun on track and street...not in time but in pleasure of driving, the car seems a modern R gruppe :)


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Targa Tim:
    Gnil:

    Targa Tim, 

    The club coupé is special, but not that special . Many country have these '' exclusive'' models made . It is done by the Local importers .

    Our club coupé , called Swiss limited edition, has been produced only at 14 pieces . Does it make it more exclusive  then the North American Club coupé ?

    And I am also joining a photo to the Dutch Club coupé . Also special and unique color as all the other '' special '' models .

    Your blue collection is great and special . But lets not get fooled by the '' speciality '' of it . I am still sure it bets better value then the others of course .

     

    Thanks Gnil for your info, and I totally agree with you.

    To many others, my car is just a GTS with a special color, which is totally fine with me, as I would have gotten a GTS in other blue color anyway if club coupe is not available.  At least I do not feel being "rip off" by Porsche as my car does not cost a lot more than a usual GTS with PTS and duck tail added on.

    Driving the only car in your province (and one of 3 in your country) is a very good feeling that is priceless to me.  Future resale value is irrelevant to me as there is no plan of selling.

    Don't get me wrong too, I really like the concept of this 911R, as everything about this car is good.  The only thing that I dislike is the rumor that it may cost more than an RS, as I still don't see the reason why.yes

    Local Importers special editions are not really comparable with special editions sanctioned by Porsche itself such as the Club Coupes are (I don`t know about the 60 years CC but the 50 years CC had its own VIN sequences with the last two digit of the VIN replicating the serial n.).  The whole story behind the development ,starting from unique one off colors (at least at the beginning) and the buying process were very unique to the Club Coupes and contributed to make those 911s special, at least in the eyes of some enthusiasts. I do agree that technically they are not particularly special although it is worth to  consider that  X51 and PTS are among the rarest options you find on 911s.


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Grant:
    964C2:

    ......just using up left-over NA engines.

    Which would you rather have?  A left-over 4.0L RS dry sump 8,800rpm NA motor or a 3.0L turbo wet sump brand new motor?

     

    3.8L GT3, not the 4.0L RS Smiley


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Whoopsy:
    Grant:
    964C2:

    ......just using up left-over NA engines.

    Which would you rather have?  A left-over 4.0L RS dry sump 8,800rpm NA motor or a 3.0L turbo wet sump brand new motor?

     

    3.8L GT3, not the 4.0L RS Smiley

    I've heard 4.0, but I'd still be happy with GT3 3.8 motor (latest version has some RS improvements).


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


     
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