CloseI am writing the following half laughing and more than slightly amused, with NO intention whatsoever to start a fight/rant etc: REAL... ZEUS.... Got it Ferdie? Got it Rossi? Come on! Zeus is taking over Nick's old job 
FERRARI RULZ! Got it guys? 
My comment doesn't matter.... Because real life experience doesn't matter. Only specs. And numbers. And bullets 
There is no try. Just do.
BiTurbo:
I may be a big fan of the F40 which I consider the best Ferrari ever made, but a 458 isn't a 9sec car in the 0 - 200kph test, sorry dude, but it won't happen in anyones prodcution car nor you can find another test, good luck getting over this fact
I just provided 2 tests, where the 0-200 km/h performance is below the 10 s mark (on the Evo test, deductively so). Hence, your arbitrary assumption has been emphatically disproven.
In AutoBild Sportscars' new supercomparison the Turbo S was faster on the straightline than the 458 Italia.
0-100 km/h in 3,3 s (458) and 3,1 s (Turbo S)
0-160 km/h in 6,9 s (458) and 6,5 s (Turbo S)
0-200 km/h in 10,4 s (458) and 10,0 s (Turbo S)
400 m: 11,2 s (458) and 10,9 s (Turbo S)
Sep 24, 2010 5:10:47 PM
I love these pissing contests. When the 458 just came out and we got to see the videos with the crazy high-tech electronics I was like omg this car is sick fast. Now these tests, well the Turbo S is very close if not better so take it for what it is. Let's not start another pissing contest boys. (Porsche wins those 90% of the time) 
indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine.. I happen to like both :)
Sep 24, 2010 5:22:14 PM
458 is faster car then 997.2 Turbo S on the track. In fact on every track. BUT, 458 is on the other hand only marginally faster then SLS AMG(which is also on most tracks faster then 997.2 Turbo S).
In straight line story is little bit different... IMHO 458 is in 0-300km/h faster then 997.2 Turbo S.
BUT... In real life situation like for example 120km/h to 220km/h on autobahn in Germany.... Imagine three cars-458, SLS AMG and 997.2 Turbo S. Naturally, SLS AMG and 997.2 Turbo S drivers will use fastest automatic programm(on their DCT and PDK gearboxes). On the other hand 458 driver will most likely use manual CST off programm(if he is skilled or brave enough). When all three floored it which one will get fastest till 220km/h(from 120km/h). I already know the outcome... 458 is not the fastest.
Kreso, you are on to something there mate. I don't think there is a doubt that from a standstill and up to 60 mph the Porsche is quicker. Then the Ferrari equals that by the 100 mph mark and is clearly faster after that. The nearly 2 s difference in favour of the 458 in the 0-160 mph dash leaves no question whatsoever about which is the quicker car at higher speeds.
REALZEUS:
BiTurbo:
I may be a big fan of the F40 which I consider the best Ferrari ever made, but a 458 isn't a 9sec car in the 0 - 200kph test, sorry dude, but it won't happen in anyones prodcution car nor you can find another test, good luck getting over this fact
I just provided 2 tests, where the 0-200 km/h performance is below the 10 s mark (on the Evo test, deductively so). Hence, your arbitrary assumption has been emphatically disproven.
You're jumping the red light way too soon, go back and check Rossi's post 
Porsche 997 GT2 & Porsche Cayenne Turbo 8-Spd
BiTurbo:
I'm talking about 0 - 200kph not track times
To my understanding 0-160 mph (i.e. 0-256 km/h) is greater than 0-200 km/h. The 458 is nearly 2 seconds quicker from a standstill to 160 mph, according to Evo Magazine of the UK. 
Back to the nardo test.
very hot temperature would explain the slower acceleration of the turbo powered engines like gt2 rs,
But in the otherhand it cant explaine that the same sls car dit it in 35 secs where in Sa test 0-300-0 he did it in 41 secs.....
6 secs different up to 300 kmh, cant just be explained by more power.
The sls smokes almost the 458 in this test specially 200-300 kmh time are equal.
So sls either must have more power or there was a writting error.
458 indeed dindt look that good. oh okay it was a germand mag test i forgot it...
Dario:
But in the otherhand it cant explaine that the same sls car dit it in 35 secs where in Sa test 0-300-0 he did it in 41 secs.....
6 secs different up to 300 kmh, cant just be explained by more power.
Why not 
P.S.: Sorry, I only read later that you would also consider a typing error. Would not be the first time AMS did a typing error in the Nardo test 
Regarding SLS... Example tested by SA was slow. There wasnt a typo error. A friend of mine tested his SLS on the autobahn. 160km/h-300km/h time was excellent. According to his calculation his example of SLS(with normal seats and brakes) 0-300km/h is around 35.8s-36.0s so.... BTW, all SLS engines produce at least 571ps...
KresoF1:
Regarding SLS... Example tested by SA was slow. There wasnt a typo error. A friend of mine tested his SLS on the autobahn. 160km/h-300km/h time was excellent. According to his calculation his example of SLS(with normal seats and brakes) 0-300km/h is around 35.8s-36.0s so.... BTW, all SLS engines produce at least 571ps...
Kreso, I think it is VERY strange that the SLS is now 7s faster than in the SA test... This is way too much (given that the other cars tend to be a bit slower due to the hot climate in Nardo, GT2RS, for example, is 2s slower than SA). Mercedes has a "track record" of sending special cars to AMS high speed tests, as you know... I would assume that customer cars might be slower than the test car.
MKSGR:
KresoF1:
Regarding SLS... Example tested by SA was slow. There wasnt a typo error. A friend of mine tested his SLS on the autobahn. 160km/h-300km/h time was excellent. According to his calculation his example of SLS(with normal seats and brakes) 0-300km/h is around 35.8s-36.0s so.... BTW, all SLS engines produce at least 571ps...
Kreso, I think it is VERY strange that the SLS is now 7s faster than in the SA test... This is way too much (given that the other cars tend to be a bit slower due to the hot climate in Nardo, GT2RS, for example, is 2s slower than SA). Mercedes has a "track record" of sending special cars to AMS high speed tests, as you know... I would assume that customer cars might be slower than the test car.
Completly agree, 6-7 secs gain in a very hot clima isnt normal.
@ KresoF1 do you have a dbn file for this acceleration, otherwise times are a bit useless... Specialy in the evo thest the sls was also prettiy slow with 22 secs up to 160 miles like the r8 v10....
Markus, I expected little bit more objective opinion from you.
SLS Ring time is 7.40min, with Conti 5 tires(and this tires are normal sport street tires). Do you know 997.2 Turbo S Ring time? With normal Bridgestones much, much slower then SLS...
Regarding your assumption about "special" AMG cars this could be true for kompressor cars. BUT, SLS is NA engine car.
Watch out for next issue of Sport Auto... GT2 RS Supertest... As fast as Porsche claim?
Dario:
MKSGR:
KresoF1:
Regarding SLS... Example tested by SA was slow. There wasnt a typo error. A friend of mine tested his SLS on the autobahn. 160km/h-300km/h time was excellent. According to his calculation his example of SLS(with normal seats and brakes) 0-300km/h is around 35.8s-36.0s so.... BTW, all SLS engines produce at least 571ps...
Kreso, I think it is VERY strange that the SLS is now 7s faster than in the SA test... This is way too much (given that the other cars tend to be a bit slower due to the hot climate in Nardo, GT2RS, for example, is 2s slower than SA). Mercedes has a "track record" of sending special cars to AMS high speed tests, as you know... I would assume that customer cars might be slower than the test car.
Completly agree, 6-7 secs gain in a very hot clima isnt normal.
@ KresoF1 do you have a dbn file for this acceleration, otherwise times are a bit useless... Specialy in the evo thest the sls was also prettiy slow with 22 secs up to 160 miles like the r8 v10....
I saw data from my friend personally. It is true. Do not have them currently. If you do not belive me I do not care at all.
So, only Porsche cars can be fast? Mercedes and Ferrari are cheating?
Porschein addiction I guess...
Another interesting point for discussion-test tracks configuration...
Papenburg... http://inet.atppbg.de/images/stories/files/pdf/high_speed_oval.pdf
KresoF1:
Markus, I expected little bit more objective opinion from you.
SLS Ring time is 7.40min, with Conti 5 tires(and this tires are normal sport street tires). Do you know 997.2 Turbo S Ring time? With normal Bridgestones much, much slower then SLS...
Regarding your assumption about "special" AMG cars this could be true for kompressor cars. BUT, SLS is NA engine car.
Watch out for next issue of Sport Auto... GT2 RS Supertest... As fast as Porsche claim?
Kreso, my objective opinion in this case is that the SLS does 0-300 in like 40s not 35s Why should the SA figure be 7s off? What was top speed on Doettinger Hoehe BTW?
BTW, GT2RS in HHR... approx. 1.08... 
KresoF1:
Markus, SLS Doettinger Hoehe top speed is 284km/h(from SA Supertest). HHR time is 1.10,8min. For comparison 997.2 Turbo PDK Coupe HHR time is 1.11,9min... And I know for the fact that Turbo S is not any faster on HHR.
Good point 284 for sls and 293 for gt2, 295 for 458 and probably 300 for gt2 rs
as well the sls engine can still be tuned by moderat works so in fact is possible to run it with more than 570 hp by factory and yes i dont believe the times you said, as well evo had the sls up to 160 miles with 22 secs witch is compared to the turbo s 19,7 secs and the 458 17,xxx secs pretty slow and in the range off the ligther r8v10..
Otherways to mentiond the nardo and papenburg test of the sls was up to 200 kmh almost identique just from 200 kmh up to 300 kmh was a difference of 6-7 secs....
So mercedes makes quick car, but otheres apperentyl quicker.
KresoF1:
Markus, SLS Doettinger Hoehe top speed is 284km/h(from SA Supertest). HHR time is 1.10,8min. For comparison 997.2 Turbo PDK Coupe HHR time is 1.11,9min... And I know for the fact that Turbo S is not any faster on HHR.
The SLS HHR time - NBR as well - is very impressive, no doubt
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