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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    Herbaliser:
    Leawood911:
    Herbaliser:

    From the article:

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    Four-wheel drive systems usually enable you to reapply power very early in corners, but with the Turbo S that isn’t quite the case. Because of the very light front end and the incredibly grippy rear axle, you actually need to have the car pointed more or less in a straight line before you stand on the accelerator, otherwise the front end will wash out.

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    Absolute bullshit. This statement alone compromises the entire article. 

    If you don't let the front end set it will do that. Way too much torque to expect anything else. This is not to be confused with cornering at high speed and front end grip when applying throttle progressively.  But if you just give it full throttle the minimal turbo lag allows way too much power too quickly. In that regard my old turbo gives an extra split second to point the missle but it is just the nature of the turbo. Going to be an issue for the new Carerra as well with the new torque. It takes a different driving style. 

    It is actually unbelievable how early you can start accelerating on the exit of a corner with the 991 Turbo. It's nothing like the 997. It's completely opposite to the statement of the article. Maybe the author doesn't know that when you start accelerating out of a corner you have apply the throttle smoothly, you don't smash the accelerator. 

    It is possible that the driver didn't give the car enough throttle to overcome understeer to effectively enable the torque vectoring function.   


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    Cab in GT-silver. Looks weird with the lower part painted in body colour with lighter colors, don't you think?

    porsche-991-turbo-s-cabriolet-mkii-c992728012016174323_5.jpg

    porsche-991-turbo-s-cabriolet-mkii-c992728012016174323_3.jpg


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    Lukas:

    Cab in GT-silver. Looks weird with the lower part painted in body colour with lighter colors, don't you think?

    porsche-991-turbo-s-cabriolet-mkii-c992728012016174323_5.jpg

    porsche-991-turbo-s-cabriolet-mkii-c992728012016174323_3.jpg

    Very weird. We had that before with the pic of the white cab. Looks absolutely hideous if you ask me. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    Ugly.


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    I don't like the rear at all. Overworked.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    Horrible in that color... Looks like a kit car.


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    I agree.  It is ugly, tuner-like, overdone.


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    Picture angle (and probably the iPhone photo lens) distorts the rear view.  In person, with overall perspective, the car will look much better...


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    I quite like it. Shame the driver is not good at parking.


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    Looks way too busy and tuning style, but I kinda like it
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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    SciFrog:

    Horrible in that color... Looks like a kit car.

    Unfortunately...yes. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    C'mon, the picture angle is so that the exhaust seems to jump into ones face...I am convinced that the real deal looks much better.


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    Seems they ran out of talent on this one. Really ugly (imho).


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    I drove today the 991.2 Carrera S Cabriolet with PSE for 4 hours and back to back the 991.2 Turbo S Cabriolet for 1 hour today.

    The Carrera was a little bit disappointing. While a perfect refined machine it lacked sound wise and also I missed the grunt for a 420 HP car. Yes Shure this thing goes and they made it good in the upper rev range but its too linear/too “perfect”. The car felt light and very nimble to handle with the AWS. Imho a very good daily driver but not for that much money.

    OTOH the new Turbo .. oh my this thing just flies. I think it’s faster than my MP4-12C and it’s a noticeable difference to the 991.1 Turbo S that I drove 2013 at the presentation at Red Bull Ring. At the Autobahn 4th gear till 220 5th gear till 270 .. it just goes. Not as nimble as the Carrera and it felt heavier but overall I felt a little bit in love with the car J. Its imho not for the track but as a daily or also a sports car for the weekend spirited drive – the 991.2 Turbo S will deliver.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    hunterone:

    I drove today the 991.2 Carrera S Cabriolet with PSE for 4 hours and back to back the 991.2 Turbo S Cabriolet for 1 hour today.

    The Carrera was a little bit disappointing. While a perfect refined machine it lacked sound wise and also I missed the grunt for a 420 HP car. Yes Shure this thing goes and they made it good in the upper rev range but its too linear/too “perfect”. The car felt light and very nimble to handle with the AWS. Imho a very good daily driver but not for that much money.

    OTOH the new Turbo .. oh my this thing just flies. I think it’s faster than my MP4-12C and it’s a noticeable difference to the 991.1 Turbo S that I drove 2013 at the presentation at Red Bull Ring. At the Autobahn 4th gear till 220 5th gear till 270 .. it just goes. Not as nimble as the Carrera and it felt heavier but overall I felt a little bit in love with the car J. Its imho not for the track but as a daily or also a sports car for the weekend spirited drive – the 991.2 Turbo S will deliver.

     

    Thanks for your feedback. Interesting, but did the Carrera S sound worse than the 991.2 Turbo S. How would you compare the harmony engine/gearbox on the 991.1 Turbo S/991.2 Turbo S. Could you notice the dynamic boost function? Thanks in advance. Smiley


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    There is no way the Carrera S sounded worse than the 991.2 Turbo S... enlightened According to my sources, the sound of the 991.2 Turbo S is basically the same as the one of the 991.1 Turbo S.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    for me the Turbo sounded better. The Carrera Sound was imho too tweaked and it reminded me all the time on a baby rattle. But im used to Turbo sound so .... ;)

    The sport mode in automatic in the  991.2 Turbo S was a little bit too nervous but i ran most off the time in manual mode.

    Dynamic boost holds also in off throttle situations the boost on an 0.2-0.4 bar level. But in real world conditions imho little use because the difference was barly noticable.

    Off the line the Carrera was really quick for an rwd car because it operated with very good traction control near slip level (no launch control).


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    Thanks kiss Is PDK on the .2 Turbo S noticable quicker/smoother than on the .1 Turbo S? And one last question: how does the chassis felt to you? Appreciate your comments.

    cheers


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    The electric air blower sound angry

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFxZGrPx3Ik


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    wow  surprise


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    BiTurbo:

    The electric air blower sound angry

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFxZGrPx3Ik

    Exactly. The Turbo S sounds great when driving full throttle on the Autobahn (seriously) but in the lower/mid rev range...boring.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    Akrapovic exhaust will fix it smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    For sure)) its the one to install)


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    ...and to f.ck up power delivery. Sound is actually only different (to my ears at least), not better or louder...

    Want something that sounds really better and is as fast? Get Huracan...


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    KresoF1:

    ...and to f.ck up power delivery. Sound is actually only different (to my ears at least), not better or louder...

    Want something that sounds really better and is as fast? Get Huracan...

    Smiley Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC:
    KresoF1:

    ...and to f.ck up power delivery. Sound is actually only different (to my ears at least), not better or louder...

    Want something that sounds really better and is as fast? Get Huracan...

    Smiley Smiley

    and the all-important rear seats?:::))))


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    pmarkow:
    RC:
    KresoF1:

    ...and to f.ck up power delivery. Sound is actually only different (to my ears at least), not better or louder...

    Want something that sounds really better and is as fast? Get Huracan...

    Smiley Smiley

    and the all-important rear seats?:::))))

    A Huracan would be a weekend toy, a 991.2 Turbo S a daily driver. 

    Since I got rid of my Turbo S, you can easily understand why I would get the Huracan: I need a weekend toy, not a daily driver (already have one, the 991.1 C4 GTS Cab, the best daily driver ever Smiley).


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    BiTurbo:

    The electric air blower sound angry

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFxZGrPx3Ik

    That's just part of Porsche's longterm planning.  When the plug-in hybrid 911 arrives soon, everyone will be used to the lack of sound.


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    CGX car nut:
    BiTurbo:

    The electric air blower sound angry

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFxZGrPx3Ik

    That's just part of Porsche's longterm planning.  When the plug-in hybrid 911 arrives soon, everyone will be used to the lack of sound.

    I think this is where you are wrong. The 992 Turbo S may actually sound better than the current one. Maybe not as loud, especially in the higher rev range but better. Why? Well...the VTG chargers will be a thing of the past. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC:
    CGX car nut:
    BiTurbo:

    The electric air blower sound angry

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFxZGrPx3Ik

    That's just part of Porsche's longterm planning.  When the plug-in hybrid 911 arrives soon, everyone will be used to the lack of sound.

    I think this is where you are wrong. The 992 Turbo S may actually sound better than the current one. Maybe not as loud, especially in the higher rev range but better. Why? Well...the VTG chargers will be a thing of the past. Smiley

    Not sure about the 991.2 Turbo S sounding better as that video, offered as evidence, doesn't support that the car sounds noticeably better.  Once again, its probably the Swiss and their draconian noise standards, that have forced the hands of  the EU to limit exhaust bypass systems from the automakers.  

    The comment on the VTG is interesting, in light of the announcement that the 718 Boxster S, and presumably the 718 Cayman S, have a single VTG turbocharger.  Porsche must be overstocked on VTG turbochargers and needed to find a use to winnow down the inventory.  One would guess that the 992 Turbo /TurboS will be gaining electronic turbochargers.


     
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