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    991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    Dear boardmembers

    After 13 years and 200‘000Km in my 996 C4 Cab I’m slowly feeling the urge to let the old Lady go into retirement.

    There is currently a battle between the new 991 4S Cab and a used 997 TurboS Cab taking place in my head. Here in Switzerland, TurboS Cabs with around 10’000Km’s are similarly priced to the new 991 4S Cab with some extras.

    For what reasons would you prefer one over the other and what options would you recommend?

    Thank you in advance for your feedback.

    Have a good weekend

    Gregor


    Re: 991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    The new cab is much better than the old cab, no matter which version we are talking about. Go with the new.

     


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    Re: 991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    The engine of the Turbo S is worth any improvements on the 991 Carrera models IMO. Especially, with the great driving routes you have in your areas.

    If you find a pristine, immaculate Turbo S think very seriously about it.

    200K kms on a 996 is a real test of reliability. Any serious problems (mainly engine) you would care to mention?


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    I must say, reliability of the 996 was excellent! I was, and still am, driving it almost every day. Summer and winter, sometimes in heavy snow and everything else that comes with winters over here. Several track days in Imola, Monza, Le Castellet, Hockenheim and the “green hell” of Nürburgring.

    Unfortunately, I did a slightly J to enthusiastic down shift when the car was 4 years old with just over 50k km on the race track of Le Castelet. The engine blew and it hat to be taken back by truck to my dealer here in Switzerland. I was seriously worried, that the cost would blow my budget at the time. Factory warranty had expired two years before. Most unexpectedly however, Porsche Switzerland was very generous and replaced the engine, and while the motor was out, they also installed a new clutch. All they charged me at the end was 25% of the labor cost J.

    Other than that, no problems at all till quite recently I’m getting a disturbing, metal grinding noise from I-don’t-know-where. My mechanic tells me it has something to do with the viscous coupling related to the four wheel drive!? I’ll take it to the shop this coming week. The estimate is between CHF2’500 and 4’500. Considering the age of the car, this is just about the top that I’m still willing to spend the car.

    PS: Thanx for your opinion!


    Re: 991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    You need to choose what is more important to you: the power of the Turbo S or the comfort improvements of the new 991 cab (especially on road noise and everything else related to the much more advanced soft top).

    Also as far as I know (I might be wrong), on the 997 you could extended warranty for three more years to a total of five. On 991 I recently found that you could extend the warranty up to ten years in total. With the mileage you make that might tip the balance in favor of a new car.

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    Pentium:

    Also as far as I know (I might be wrong), on the 997 you could extended warranty for three more years to a total of five. 

    I think it's nine years.


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    Re: 991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    Maybe back then when I had the 997.1 it was depending on the country too...


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    Re: 991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    I would take them both for extended test drives before even thinking about a decision. Both are great cars, but very different in character.

    Regarding warranty, here in Switzerland it can be extended up to 10 years.


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    Audi S5 cabrio in Ibis White with black leather interior.


    Re: 991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    I would recommend that you go with the 991


    Re: 991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    Difficult choise, hard to say no on Turbo S power !! The S will lead you to a all new power level 991 never will. On the other hand 991 looks more discret and rides more like a GT. Depends from what you want from, I would make a test drive on both and decide after, but I believe after trying the 530hp Turbo S power (that feels more like 600hp) you´ll be sold to it.

    J.Seven


    Re: 991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    Well how important is going fast to you? How much would you enjoy the epic sports engine in the Turbo S?

    Coming from a 996, the 991 cab will blow you away in terms of performance improvements rest assured. BUT, knowing that the 997 TTS will be a bit quicker still is to be considered. Should you go for it, you will most certainly also lose less money in the long run despite the car being older. A 991 will depreciate a heck of a lot so it only makes sense if you drive that thing for a decade + again like you did with the your 996.

    Again very though call... but it comes down to your driving style and what you enjoy the most in your 911 Cabrio.. If it's speed and acceleration and pure performance you must go for the 997 Turbo S. But, if it's not so important go for the much newer and fresher 991 4S. It's a great car with damn good performance also (coming from a 996).

    Test drive both and go with your heart kiss


    Re: 991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    You hit the nail right on the head! My thinking goes exactly along those lines.

    Pro TTS: Performance: While I’m sure the C4S is plenty fast, I think I would really enjoy a Supercar for once in my lifetime. Just thinking of the acceleration of the TTS gives me the goose bumps. Depreciation: When seeing that TTS’s with low mileage (below 10k) are to be had for roughly Fr.100k below list price, any future decline must certainly be somewhat less steep.

    Pro C4S: Looks: I’m not a big fan of the TT’s fixed rear wing. To me it kinda ruins the, otherwise beautiful, line. Maintenance: Here I’m a little shaky but I would expect around 20% to 30% higher maintenance cost on the TTS? Sound: Assuming the C4S’s sports exhaust sound similar to the one I have on the 996, I know I will miss it should I go for the TTS. Anything I heard on TT’s up to now is nowhere near as exciting as that FANTASTIC “noise” my old lady makes blush.


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    I have a 2011 turbo S cab and recently had a 991 C2S loaner whilst it was in the dealer for some work. The 991 is a step up in many respects but just desperately underwhelming in terms of performance when used to the turbo S. As others have said, it depends whats important to you. I couldn't wait to give the 991 back.


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    The 997 Turbo S Cab is a rocket. The 991 Carrera 4S Cab is not slow by any means and the improved chassis is fun to drive but if somebody is addicted to pure power, the Turbo S Cab. would be my choice.

    Gregor, just ask yourself what you want: The 991 Carrera 4S Cab is the newer model, advanced technology, better chassis and a better exhaust sound with the PSE. It won't get old for the next couple of years. It is still much faster than your old 996 C4 and since you never owned a 911 Turbo, you may not miss the power at all.

    The 997 Turbo S Cab is a beast in disguise, this car is so fast, it is just amazing. Once you get addicted to the boost, you never want something else. You can't really go wrong with this one but just be aware that maintenance cost is higher (also repairs outside the warranty, you should get a car from a certified dealer only), the exhaust sound is not really great (which can be a plus in a country where people react to too much noise pretty negatively, like Germany or Switzerland) and as soon as the 991 Turbo Cab comes out, your car is "outdated".

    Difficult choice, I know but for the sake of the newer model (and better chassis) and for the sake of keeping the driver's license , I would probably choose the 991 C4S Cab over the 997 Turbo S Cab in Switzerland.

    The final choice is yours and trust me, I get your dilemma very very well. 

    P.S.: If you go for the 997 Turbo S Cab, make sure the car has not been tuned before. Many Turbo owners play around with cheap chip tuning and this may affect the durability of the engine and drivetrain in a very serious way.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: 991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    The main drawback of the Turbo Cabrio is looks IMO. The 997 turbo wing is just OK on the coupe but on the cabrio it is completely out of place. The 991 is attractive.

    The power of the Turbo S is epic and all possible failings can be excused. Even in areas where you are not allowed to  drive flat out for long distances you can revel In the fantastic acceleration on every possible opportunity.


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    Re: 991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    I would go for Turbo S Cab. Acceleration is brutal and covers all the drwbacks.


    Re: 991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    artur777:

    I would go for Turbo S Cab. Acceleration is brutal and covers all the drwbacks.

    Except for the drawback of driving in Switzerland where the speed limits are strict and there is a speed camera in every corner Smiley

    That is what annoyed me the most when I had my 997.1 Turbo. Wooosh and 3 seconds later you were violating the speed limits. That acceleration is a quick joy. Too quick. I have more fun with the 997.2 Carrera S today. It is a lot slower than the Turbo, but it is quick enough and you can enjoy it more here Smiley

     


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    Audi S5 cabrio in Ibis White with black leather interior.


    Re: 991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    Even though currently I’m edging towards the TTS, I will certainly sleep over your arguments for a few nights. One thing that nags on me is your statement: “Once you get addicted to the boost, you never want something else”. How can I NOT want to experience this? What’s wrong with this kind of addiction? Also, the argument of losing my driver’s license doesn’t really scare me all that much. I’m not in my twenties anymore and nowadays I really try to respect all speed limits and yes, there are still narrow mountain roads over here where sometimes the speed limit is beyond my driving abilities. Meaning that on mountain passes with lots of hairpin corners (Stelvio or Maloja for example) I hardly ever make it above regular speed limits. Also, I try to lower the risk of license losing by participating in free driving events on race tracks. These are the places where I can really let the pig out.

    RC, I’m very thankful for your thoughts! Frankly, as I know that you’re a power freakSmiley, I would have expected you’d lean slightly more towards the TTS. When decision time comes and I should actually go for the TTS, I’ll definitely keep in mind of buying from an official dealer only and of making sure the car has not been tempered with in any way.


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    Interesting argument bluelines. This is something to consider as the police here in Switzerland is extremely strict. However, I would think that with a 997S I’d still be in prison with one foot whenever I’m driving. Not sure if it makes a BIG difference to be in prison with one entire leg in the TTS?Smiley


    Re: 991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    get the turbo, if you don't like it then dump it: that is what i did.

    experiencing the turbo ownership was worth trying once even if just for a while.


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    2012 991 C2S -PDK / 2010 997.2 turbo cab manual, sold / 2008 Cayenne GTS Manual /2008 RS 60 sold /04 C4S sold - 08 Cayenne Turbo PDCC sold


    Re: 991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    If u havent driven a tts - i recomend to drive one then youre decision will be instantly....i was very unimpressed by the 991s cabriot loaner i had once for a day...


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    Thanx BjoernB. This I will certainly do! No way I'll be spending THAT kind of money without an extensive test drive. Frankly, by now I'm almost sold on the TTS, even though not having driven it yet. However, I have some (limited) experience with older Turbos....

    Would you consider getting one from across the border (Germany or Austria) or would you strictly buy from a CH-dealer? The saving can be substantial Smiley but I'm not sure how big a hassle a direct import will be.


    Re: 991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    I would never buy a 997 Turbo S Cab from a private seller, only from an official Porsche dealer with Porsche warranty. Prices are higher but you get a peace of mind.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: 991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    Christian, you must have misunderstood my question. I am not considering buying from private individuals. Not here in Switzerland, nor from any other country. I am wondering whether buying from an official Porsche dealer outside of Switzerland would make sense? Comparable cars are a good 10% cheaper in Germany then here in CH.


    Re: 991 4S Cab or 997 TurboS Cab?

    Well, this is a delicate subject......financially u have to go for a eu car because all things taken into consideration u safe some bucks but I deliberately bought my GT3RS as a swiss car as i wanted to have my peace of mind knowing where its excactly comming from although in my case with 4500km u can do little damage if the car is not tracked..... I would highly recommed to invest in a 111 point check by youre swiss p-center on any used porsche n u should be fine once they give u a green light - might be more difficult with a eu car before u bought it..... - however, currently here in ch it is very much a buyers market n u should negociate hard on youre 997tts - but i would buy it here too....and i would also agree with rc to make sure its not chip-tuned  and the gearbox is checked for lauch-mode abuse ..... Other than that its pretty solid car.....my friend runs his faultlessly...well its a porsche for pete's sake ......


     
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