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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    pmarkow:
    reginos:

    Pimp elements have been present in some recent Ferrari and Lamborghini designs. They indicate where the money is these days.indecision

    then how about the GT3 (RS)? does you pimp argument only apply to ferrari and for porsche it is form follows function????

     

    The RS has that "ready to race" look and therefore some styling excesses blend into the design. It is also a homologation car for the racing 911s.

    But generally speaking my favourite cars including 911s are the unadorned, no-frills ones.


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    crayphile: 

    Jeez, tough reception on Rennteam for the tdf today Smiley SmileyNot sure I dare show mine when it arrives Smiley

    Well, I didn't want to sound negative about it, i think the daring design by ferrari is a double edge sword, some details work, others im not sure about it. And I for one will very much appreciate reading about your experience once delivery takes place. My comment on color is based on the fact that I've always though long hooded cars look best in dark schemes. 


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Whoopsy:
    koko:

    Such a lazy effort from Ferrari. Even the name doesn't sound specialenlightened

    dont they already got a shade of blue with the same name?!

     

    YUP. 

    Wait till someone tell you he has a TDF Blue  F12tdf

    The new Ferrari naming motto. If someone sounds nice, say it twice! Ferrari LaFerrari anyone?


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    That someone would be me Smiley I was just saying that to my friends yesterday when they announced the name. Smiley


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Interview with Ferraris F12tdf, From Rear-Wheel Steering to LaFerrari Track Time Menace http://www.autoevolution.com/news/interview-with-ferrari-s-f12tdf-from-rear-wheel-steering-to-laferrari-track-time-menace-100939...


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Whoopsy:
    Turbo:
     
    Whoopsy

    Nothing will match my regrets more than me passing up an F1 for 8 million dollars a few years ago.
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    Are you talking about a McLaren F1?

     

    Yes. After Futch got his I went looking too. The price has since exploded.

    Have you driven one before making the decision of buying one?


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Whoopsy:

    Sorry to disappoint, I won't have one coming, but I think crayphile do. 

    Front mid engine cars still drives differently than rear mid engine though. But yes I believe the tdf will drive like a caged animal, ready to snap at anytime.

    The standard F12 already has accomplished this job with PSS tires w/o turning traction control off Smiley happens a lot when tires are brand new or too cold.

    Will the TDF get PS Cup 2 ? or Corsas ? maybe McLaren executives would suggest Trofeos are their best bet Smiley

    If it's a semi-slick tire, goodbye traction and hello oversteer with a complete wipe out on any nearby object Smiley


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Ok I'm one of the few here, but I absolutely love the design of the TdF! It's like a modern 250 GTO!  I was just telling someone that it's the most beautiful car I've seen this year. And I can just imagine it now in TdF colour.  Stunning stunning stunning! 


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Turbo:
    Whoopsy:
    Turbo:
     
    Whoopsy

    Nothing will match my regrets more than me passing up an F1 for 8 million dollars a few years ago.
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    Are you talking about a McLaren F1?

     

    Yes. After Futch got his I went looking too. The price has since exploded.

    Have you driven one before making the decision of buying one?

     

    Absolutely not, haha. I won't even care if my G-wagen drives better than the F1. It would have been my trophy car, that I got to own my childhood poster car. 

    I only ever had 3 cars on the wall, the F1, the 959 and the Countach. Thanks to Clarkson and May, they ruined my Countach dream too though.


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Mike S:
    Whoopsy:
    koko:

    Such a lazy effort from Ferrari. Even the name doesn't sound specialenlightened

    dont they already got a shade of blue with the same name?!

     

    YUP. 

    Wait till someone tell you he has a TDF Blue  F12tdf

    The new Ferrari naming motto. If someone sounds nice, say it twice! Ferrari LaFerrari anyone?


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    That someone would be me Smiley I was just saying that to my friends yesterday when they announced the name. Smiley

     

    Smiley Well, in that case, congrats. ANOTHER car. Hope you still have enough garage space Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Whoopsy:
    Turbo:
    Whoopsy:
    Turbo:
     
    Whoopsy

    Nothing will match my regrets more than me passing up an F1 for 8 million dollars a few years ago.
    --

    Are you talking about a McLaren F1?

     

    Yes. After Futch got his I went looking too. The price has since exploded.

    Have you driven one before making the decision of buying one?

     

    Absolutely not, haha. I won't even care if my G-wagen drives better than the F1. It would have been my trophy car, that I got to own my childhood poster car. 

    I only ever had 3 cars on the wall, the F1, the 959 and the Countach. Thanks to Clarkson and May, they ruined my Countach dream too though.

    So... are you in the market for a 959 then? Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Whoopsy:
    Turbo:
    Whoopsy:
    Turbo:
     
    Whoopsy

    Nothing will match my regrets more than me passing up an F1 for 8 million dollars a few years ago.
    --

    Are you talking about a McLaren F1?

     

    Yes. After Futch got his I went looking too. The price has since exploded.

    Have you driven one before making the decision of buying one?

     

    Absolutely not, haha. I won't even care if my G-wagen drives better than the F1. It would have been my trophy car, that I got to own my childhood poster car. 

    I only ever had 3 cars on the wall, the F1, the 959 and the Countach. Thanks to Clarkson and May, they ruined my Countach dream too though.

    The Countach was a terrible car. Exotic to look at but an uncomfortable beast to drive and even worse to park. 

    I can understand the "car poster" /child idolized syndrome though. Mine were a Lamborghini LM, Bugatti EB110 SS and a Matra 670C. I've driven a Matra around the paddock but never in anger (still got to rev that wondrous V12) and came close to buying an LM despite the fact it's a terrible truck and they all stink of gas from their leaking gas tanks. I'd still love a EB110 despite the fact I already know the upkeep would make my mortgage payments look miniscule.  


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Joost:
    Whoopsy:
    Turbo:
    Whoopsy:
    Turbo:
     
    Whoopsy

    Nothing will match my regrets more than me passing up an F1 for 8 million dollars a few years ago.
    --

    Are you talking about a McLaren F1?

     

    Yes. After Futch got his I went looking too. The price has since exploded.

    Have you driven one before making the decision of buying one?

     

    Absolutely not, haha. I won't even care if my G-wagen drives better than the F1. It would have been my trophy car, that I got to own my childhood poster car. 

    I only ever had 3 cars on the wall, the F1, the 959 and the Countach. Thanks to Clarkson and May, they ruined my Countach dream too though.

    So... are you in the market for a 959 then? Smiley

     

    Not actively looking. Doesn't like the Canepa modified ones. But if I come across a suitable one then yes I will pull the trigger. 


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    They are more than 15 years old so you can import one from Europe if you want. I believe there is a silver and a burgundy one in Canada already but both are comfort editions. If you are going to go through the trouble of buying one, get a Sport. 


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Absence of Pininfarina design touches is so obvious. This TDF thing will age so badly it will hurt enlightened  From tactile sense for design, they went to brutal tuning style aggression. 

    Just look at this beauty, it looks damn romantic compared to grotesque creature called TDF (what a silly name) no


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Milanno:

    Absence of Pininfarina design touches is so obvious. This TDF thing will age so badly it will hurt enlightened  From tactile sense for design, they went to brutal tuning style aggression. 


    I keep asking myself whether Ferrari tried to combine both old world and new world customers on this car. The latter are far more common customers at tuner shops such as Hamann, Mansory etc. 


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Ferdie:
    Milanno:

    Absence of Pininfarina design touches is so obvious. This TDF thing will age so badly it will hurt enlightened  From tactile sense for design, they went to brutal tuning style aggression. 


    I keep asking myself whether Ferrari tried to combine both old world and new world customers on this car. The latter are far more common customers at tuner shops such as Hamann, Mansory etc. 

    Here's one for your "new world customers":

    ohmygod.jpg


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    fritz


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    fritz:
    Ferdie:
    Milanno:

    Absence of Pininfarina design touches is so obvious. This TDF thing will age so badly it will hurt enlightened  From tactile sense for design, they went to brutal tuning style aggression. 


    I keep asking myself whether Ferrari tried to combine both old world and new world customers on this car. The latter are far more common customers at tuner shops such as Hamann, Mansory etc. 

    Here's one for your "new world customers":

    ohmygod.jpg


    If I am not mistaken, that is Lapo Elkann? Not exactly new world, but... anyhow... Smiley


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Ferdie:
    fritz:
    Ferdie:
    Milanno:

    Absence of Pininfarina design touches is so obvious. This TDF thing will age so badly it will hurt enlightened  From tactile sense for design, they went to brutal tuning style aggression. 


    I keep asking myself whether Ferrari tried to combine both old world and new world customers on this car. The latter are far more common customers at tuner shops such as Hamann, Mansory etc. 

    Here's one for your "new world customers":

    ohmygod.jpg


    If I am not mistaken, that is Lapo Elkann? Not exactly new world, but... anyhow... Smiley

    You are not mistaken. He's not new world, but he apparently caters to that market .............


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    fritz


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    There is "new world" and there is "old world eccentric" sometimes they are not clearly distinguishable from one another. 


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Lapo will never have the style and class of his grandfather...his role is more the family clown...
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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Turbo:
    Lapo will never have the style and class of his grandfather...his role is more the family clown...

    My first thought on seeing that photograph was that his choice of shoes was totally inappropriate.  Smiley


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    fritz


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    For me "new world customers" presents whole new group of buyers/drivers aiming to drive their super expensive cars as much possible. Lunatic showed few posts before presents people from past where super car is used as showpiece and not as machine that will bring you thrill & adrenaline. In Ferrari`s case, beyond adrenaline, new world customers aim for visual perfection too.


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    fritz:
    Turbo:
    Lapo will never have the style and class of his grandfather...his role is more the family clown...

    My first thought on seeing that photograph was that his choice of shoes was totally inappropriate.  Smiley

     

    Can you believe that bozo makes GQs best dressed list every year Smiley


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    GQ has so much to do with gentelman style as a banker with honesty...nothing.


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    Being polite is so rare these days that it's often confused with flirting.


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    Turbo:
    GQ has so much to do with gentelman style as a banker with honesty...nothing.
     

    The new version of that statement is:

    GQ has so much to do with gentleman style as a VW engineer with honesty...nothing. Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    koko:
    fritz:
    Turbo:
    Lapo will never have the style and class of his grandfather...his role is more the family clown...

    My first thought on seeing that photograph was that his choice of shoes was totally inappropriate.  Smiley

     

    Can you believe that bozo makes GQs best dressed list every year Smiley

    The press loves people like him, who change their clothes and styles almost on a daily basis. He gives them stories and especially photo opportunities, I'm not surprised.


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    reginos:
    Turbo:
    GQ has so much to do with gentelman style as a banker with honesty...nothing.
     

    The new version of that statement is:

    GQ has so much to do with gentleman style as a VW engineer with honesty...nothing. Smiley

    That version has just been invented by bankers trying to distract attention from their own toxic (bundled loan) emissions.  Smiley


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    fritz


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    RC:
    koko:
    fritz:
    Turbo:
    Lapo will never have the style and class of his grandfather...his role is more the family clown...

    My first thought on seeing that photograph was that his choice of shoes was totally inappropriate.  Smiley

     

    Can you believe that bozo makes GQs best dressed list every year Smiley

    The press loves people like him, who change their clothes and styles almost on a daily basis. He gives them stories and especially photo opportunities, I'm not surprised.

    it is difficult to grow up in a family like the agnellis. some become ultra-conformist like john elkann and others become rebels like lapo. once the rebellion is over the way to clown is short, unfortunately.

    peter


    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    This is what I was thinking about: Is he really a rebel or more of an attention seeking media whore? angry It can't be a coincidence that everywhere he goes, there is a Paparazzi present to take a shot of him. enlightened


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    Re: Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor

    RC:

    This is what I was thinking about: Is he really a rebel or more of an attention seeking media whore? angry It can't be a coincidence that everywhere he goes, there is a Paparazzi present to take a shot of him. enlightened

    he was a rebel and became what you say......or, in friendlier words, a clown:::)))

    pretty similar to hubertus v HL. maybe what saves lapo a bit is that he is basically italian:::)))

    p


     
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