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    Cayman S 981 Supertest

    Ring 8:05

    Hockenheim 1:14,1min

    1402 kg(Bucket seats, PCCB, 20" Techno wheels)

     

    First bad Supertest for Porsche. HvS comments generally not good at all. He complained about PDK setup, PASM setup. Car is some kind of dissapointment for him.

    You need to read it in native German to fully understand his comments and view.


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    Well, actually he wasn't that disappointed but it seems that the difference between Cayman and 911 (991) performance has never been bigger. Porsche wants to keep a gap between both models and I think they succeeded quite successfully. I also know some Porsche people who question the existence of the Cayman because it is basically a Boxster with a fixed roof for 10 grand more. 

    Personally, I think that the Boxster makes much more sense for anyone interested in a lower priced sporty Porsche model but hey, who am I to judge?!  angry


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (ordered), BMW X3 35d (2013)


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    Disappointing.


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    How did it 987.2??


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    RC:

     Personally, I think that the Boxster makes much more sense for anyone interested in a lower priced sporty Porsche model but hey, who am I to judge?!  angry

    +1 Smiley


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    Enzo II:

    How did it 987.2??

    8.17 and 1.14,2 Cayman S PDK ; 8.17 was also the time of the Carrera of 2001. I think it was the facelift model with 320PS.

    8.18 and 1.15,0 Boxster S PDK


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    dreamcar:
    RC:

     Personally, I think that the Boxster makes much more sense for anyone interested in a lower priced sporty Porsche model but hey, who am I to judge?!  angry

    +1 Smiley

    I agree provided that the customer enjoys open air motoring (and not everybody does). Otherwise the soft top is a PITA to keep clean from bird droppings, tree resin, cats etc.and is also susceptible to malicious damage.

    The hatchback is also useful for carrying extra luggage.


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    "Form follows function"


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    reginos:

    Otherwise the soft top is a PITA to keep clean from bird droppings, tree resin, cats etc.and is also susceptible to malicious damage.

    The hatchback is also useful for carrying extra luggage.

    Never had any of these issues with either of our Boxsters....

    Having had both Boxster and Cayman the hatchback provides only minimal extra space for luggage, it's shallow on top of the engine cover (the space you can't use on the Boxster) and only any use for coats, etc.

    SWMBO was convinced there wouldn't be much more room in the 997 but she couldn't have been more wrong. Dead easy to pack for a couple of weeks touring with the rear seat backs folded down. The only snag is similar to packing stuff on top of the Cayman engine cover it's on view when parked.

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    Porsche 997 Carrera S PDK Aqua Blue / Black - Toyota Yaris D4D  "Clockwork Rat"


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    Said it before like RC, the Cayman makes no sense whatsoever at the current price. Every time I see one on the street I can't help but thinking what a bad decision the poor guy made...

    Ring times shows the Cayman has Boxster genes and is not that much faster than the Boxster...


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    SciFrog:

    Said it before like RC, the Cayman makes no sense whatsoever at the current price. Every time I see one on the street I can't help but thinking what a bad decision the poor guy made...

    Ring times shows the Cayman has Boxster genes and is not that much faster than the Boxster...

    As Reginos stated only makes sense if you want a mid engined Porsche and don't like an open top, I agree price is just daft. I guess it is marginally sharper and more hard-core than the Boxster though - this is the only review that has not rated the Cayman brilliant..........


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    Porsche 997 Carrera S PDK Aqua Blue / Black - Toyota Yaris D4D  "Clockwork Rat"


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    The Cayman is brilliant, but as brilliant as the Boxster is...


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    SciFrog:

    The Cayman is brilliant, but as brilliant as the Boxster is...


    Very true indeed... what Porsche obviously failed to achieve, and the Supertest article suggests the same, is that the Cayman is not placed between the Boxster and base Carrera, as the price suggests, but is once again a Boxster with fixed roof. It is very interesting to note that the test car exhibited a demanding handling that would switch from mild understeer to significant oversteer very quickly. The engine sound, unlike the Boxster, also seems to produce some booming frequencies in the lower to middle rev range, something others have experienced before. 

    So indeed, the test result is rather disappointing in comparison to expectations and Porsche´s remaining models, less so in comparison to other manufacturers´ products.


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    Ferdie:
    SciFrog:

    The Cayman is brilliant, but as brilliant as the Boxster is...


     It is very interesting to note that the test car exhibited a demanding handling that would switch from mild understeer to significant oversteer very quickly.

    Some call it demanding, I call it fun Smiley Actually with the 981 it's easier to provoke some kind of snap oversteer (though at higher speed compared to the 987) but it's easy to handle and hence it's a lot of fun Smiley The discussion about the perceived lack of performance of the Cayman is kind of academic to me - what does one expect from a car basicalliy featuring the same specs as the Boxster ? Yes, exactly - one should expect the same or at least a very similar performance Smiley


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    Porsche-Jeck:
    Ferdie:
    SciFrog:

    The Cayman is brilliant, but as brilliant as the Boxster is...


     It is very interesting to note that the test car exhibited a demanding handling that would switch from mild understeer to significant oversteer very quickly.

    Some call it demanding, I call it fun Smiley Actually with the 981 it's easier to provoke some kind of snap oversteer (though at higher speed compared to the 987) but it's easy to handle and hence it's a lot of fun Smiley The discussion about the perceived lack of performance of the Cayman is kind of academic to me - what does one expect from a car basicalliy featuring the same specs as the Boxster ?

    Buddy,

    that´s certainly true! Nonetheless, they did refer to handling traits on the Cayman that the Boxster did not exhibit! For the sake of a better handling, and even if sacrificing comfort, they could´ve adapted the suspension tuning and/or introduce the sport suspension that is already available for the Boxster to achieve a stronger differentiation.

    On the 991, they were able to extract a performance level (in comparison to the 981) that the numbers did not suggest either. So once again and at least for now, the Boxster appears to be the more sensible choice once again, even disregarding the price tag.

    Smiley


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    I borrowed a 981S Cayman overnight in the mountains here and exercised it very hard.  I thought it was very disappointing as well (hated the PDK, numb steering, not that engaging overall).  I'm glad I'm not the only one (as most the reviews I've read were stellar - I was beginning to wonder if the problem was just me Smiley )


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    Bummer! They finally fix the styling, and now the handling is compromised.

    mail


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    IMO, what is wrong with the Cayman is the high pricing and the way the car is advertized as a mid engined 911 alternative. Both create very high expectations which are unfullfilled. 

    If it was cheaper than the Boxster (along the Carrera coupe- cabrio lines), fewer would complain. Moreover, the Cayman competes against the small sports BMW, Audi and Mercedes and in this company whilst it is more than adequate dynamically it is also very expensive, which puts younger people, who might otherwise be interested, off.

    Porsche should fix the price first, before addressing any alleged dynamic faults.


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    reginos:

    Porsche should fix the price first, before addressing any alleged dynamic faults.


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    I don't believe the car has any dynamic faults. Customers are buying the Cayman - even I bought one and my dissatisfaction with it wasn't the car's fault - but I agree it isn't a 911 substitute, I'd say different, not better or worse, made even clearer to me now I've got a 911!


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    Porsche 997 Carrera S PDK Aqua Blue / Black - Toyota Yaris D4D  "Clockwork Rat"


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    Not sure how well the Cayman sells in Germany, my dealer recently produced a deep sigh when I asked about it.

    Performance is quite the same on both, the Boxster and the Cayman, so why would anyone here pay 10 grand more for a fixed roof? In Germany, yes...despite the weather issues, people actually prefer a cab/roadster whenever possible and I guess the Cayman has a tough stand here. For the same price, well...the story could be different but I still doubt it.


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    IMO the price/performance ratio is the issue. Either make it at Boxster prices or put the 3.4 Carrera engine for the current price. The Carrera 3.4 doesn't sell much anyway so why Porsche bother with this model? There are so many model variants in the 911 range that the 3.4 is redundant.  There should be Carrera S, Carrera GTS (X51 engine) below the GT3 and Turbo, plus the AWD models.

    Also a track oriented GT3 type Cayman would be a good idea. 

    BTW I find the 981 Cayman a very good looking sportscar. Someone who doesn't know the 911 pedigree (if such person exists) might find it more attractive than the 991.


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    dreamcar:
    reginos:

    Otherwise the soft top is a PITA to keep clean from bird droppings, tree resin, cats etc.and is also susceptible to malicious damage.

    The hatchback is also useful for carrying extra luggage.

    Never had any of these issues with either of our Boxsters....

    Perhaps, because it rains more often in Hampshire than in CY Smiley


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    dreamcar:
    RC:

     Personally, I think that the Boxster makes much more sense for anyone interested in a lower priced sporty Porsche model but hey, who am I to judge?!  angry

    +1 Smiley

    +2Smiley


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