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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Porker:
    DaveGordon:

    Was told by my dealer I had zero chance of getting a Spyder. Very tiresome.

    Not to worry, you'll have 7 soon!

    My dealer received only 1 Spyder and 2 GT4's for this year.


    Re: Cayman GT4

    911tts:
    Porker:
    DaveGordon:

    Was told by my dealer I had zero chance of getting a Spyder. Very tiresome.

    Not to worry, you'll have 7 soon!

    My dealer received only 1 Spyder and 2 GT4's for this year.

    In 2020 dealers will have many more to allocate, with GT4 and Spyder expected to generate over 75 per cent of Porsche 718 orders, with production of GT4 and Spyder to be ramped up accordingly... Smiley


    Re: Cayman GT4

    2020 Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 and Boxster Spyder Revealed With New Flat-Six

    Instead of repurposing the 911 GT3's motor, Porsche Motorsport took a different approach...

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    When the Porsche Boxster and Cayman became the 718 Boxster and Cayman in 2016, their naturally aspirated flat-sixes were replaced by turbocharged flat-fours. But Porsche Motorsport, the part of the company responsible for 911 GT3s and the like, is committed to naturally aspirated flat-sixes. That's why the 2020 718 Cayman GT4 and Boxster Spyder get a new 4.0-liter six with no turbos in sight.

    This pair make their debut today as successors to the much-loved Cayman GT4 and Boxster Spyder of 2015. And unlike before, the Boxster Spyder is now a full-on Motorsport product, which means it shares its chassis with the GT4.

    Back to the engine. Despite the fact that it shares its 4.0-liter displacement with the engine in the 911 GT3, GT3 RS and Speedster, the 718's new six is not the same thing. Rather, it's a bored, stroked and de-turbocharged version of the 3.0-liter flat-six used in the new 911.

    In an email to Road & Track, Andreas Preuninger, head of GT cars at Porsche, said the engine also gets a new forged crankshaft and pistons, piezo fuel injectors, and an aluminum intake system. The engine is dry-sumped, too, with an a oil pump that's designed to prevent starvation in high-speed cornering. It makes 414 horsepower and 309 lb-ft of torque, with a redline set at 8000 rpm, and for now, the only transmission option is a six-speed manual.

    You might be wondering why the 718 GT4 and Spyder didn't get a version of the GT3's flat-six. Preuninger says there's a number of reasons.

    First, there are packaging issues that come with repurposing an engine designed for a rear-engine car. The GT3's remote oil reservoir would've been particularly problematic. Then there's cost: Porsche wants these cars to serve as an entry point to its Motorsport products, and if they used a GT3 engine, pricing would be pushed way up. And finally, Porsche wanted to keep these cars in the low-400-hp range to make their abilities more exploitable on the street, and Preuninger told us the GT3 engine "does not react very well to reducing the power."

    "A detuned version does not make sense," he said. "Especially considering the packaging restraints."

    Chassis wise, these cars are similar in philosophy to the old Cayman GT4, but with new hardware. The front axle comes directly off the 991.2 GT3 while the rear axle is unique to the GT4 and spider. Adaptive dampers are standard, with helper springs out back, and manually adjustable anti-roll bars. Camber, toe and ride height settings are also manually adjustable.

    There's a new design for the 20-inch wheels, and and in the pictures here, they're wrapped in Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires, though Dunlops may be available too. Brake sizes have been increased with new rotors and calipers similar to those used on the 911 GT3. Carbon ceramic rotors, which are 50-percent lighter than the standard cast-iron units, are optional.

    Preuninger told us the electric power steering has been tuned to provide better feel, while the ABS, traction control, and stability control systems benefit from things Porsche learned when developing the 911 GT3 RS and GT2 RS.

    Both the Cayman and Boxster get a new diffuser with integrated twin tailpipes. The GT4 gets a manually adjustable fixed rear wing, while the Boxster Spyder has an electronically deployable spoiler.

    With all these changes, the new 718 Cayman GT4 is 10 seconds quicker around the Nürburgring Nordschleife than its predecessor. That means it should run a 7:30 around the 13-mile circuit, which is about five seconds off a new 911 Carrera S. Not bad for a car you have to shift yourself.

    Porsche didn't provide a 'Ring time for the Spyder. It's not what that car is about. When asked why Porsche finally decided to do a full Motorsport Boxster, Preuninger told us "Why not? We have the [911] Speedster now. The Spyder is its little brother. With 981 GT4, 911 R, Touring and Speedster we have a new GT category, the purists' or driver's car. The Spyder blends in perfectly."

    Hard to argue with that logic.

    The Spyder gets a double-bubble rear decklid that looks a lot like the Speedster's, and as with all its predecessors, it ditches the power-folding top mechanism to save weight.

    Pricing starts at $97,550 for the Boxster Spyder and $100,450 for the Cayman GT4 including a $1250 destination fee. That's around $15,000 more than each of their predecessors, but both are still far cheaper than the nearly $145,000 911 GT3. To say nothing of the $276,000 Speedster. Unlike before, production for these cars won't be limited, and dealer order books are open now with Spring 2020 deliveries targeted.

    2020 Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 and Boxster Spyder Revealed With New Flat-Six
    https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a28072967/2020-porsche-718-cayman-gt4-boxster-spyder-reveal-photos-specs-price...


    Re: Cayman GT4

    in Switzerland you can get it easily to 150k specced - which is a bad joke considering the used GT market here.


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Grant:
    DaveGordon:

    Was told by my dealer I had zero chance of getting a Spyder. Very tiresome.

    Find another dealer, Dave.  Maybe he was confusing it with Speedster.  The Spyder is not limited and will be made for a longer production run this time.  Should not be difficult to order...

    Maybe not difficult , but very long will people have to wait Smiley


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Hopefully this engine will find its way into 718 GTS.... a 718 “Six” is a “strong official rumour” according to my local dealer. 


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    I am sure if you want one you will be able to get one - Porsche will be milking this one just like they did with the RSs 


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    Tesla Model S P100D & Model X P90D & 2016 BMW i8 & 2017 Sept 991.2 GT3 ordered. 2020 Porsche Mission E on order


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Hello all! Love both the Spyder and the GT4. As a 718 owner, this is my ultimate dream car. Do you have any confirmation that the car is going to keep in production next year?

    My dealer told me all allocations for Spain are already given for this year, and he continues telling me that the new 718 is gonna be announced by the end of this year.... so it is unlikely to have new GT4 / Spyder productions in 2020... to me it doesnt make any sense. 

    Thanks for your help,


    Re: Cayman GT4

    y0ukz:

    . so it is unlikely to have new GT4 / Spyder productions in 2020... to me it doesnt make any sense. 

    Thanks for your help,

    Production  has been confirmed for 2020 .

    And , yes, it does not make too much sense , but Porsche always does keep the best products of the last generation together with the new model .

    So , make sure you stay on your dealer 's list . If he does not believe you , insist you want the first car of the next batch when it will come 

    Just look at the 911  . At the moment they produce the 992 but also the 991 GT3 RS and the 991 Speedster 


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Production will even go in 2021...


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Man these things are more expensive and less spec than I expected. We used to get sports bucket as standard here, but it’s now $6k option. Anyway I’m thinking of a white Spyder with Spyder interior and red roof and that it. But even then it’s 10% more than what I paid for my 981 GT4 and 30% more than what my friend paid for his 981 Spyder. Really hard to justify it! What do you guys think?


    Re: Cayman GT4

    As far as I know, Porsche is introducing a facelift of the 718 at the end of this year. So there will be a GT4 2020 but might be different from what has been introduced yesterday. 

    I am already in the list just in case ! 


    Re: Cayman GT4

    I am with you. So expensive. But now, with the big gap between the 718 versions and the 992 base price the have room to make it more and more expensive.


    Re: Cayman GT4

    reginos:

    For me the standard front is too saloon-car-like. Not sporty at all.

    Anyway plenty of work for the facelift on the 992.

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    Exactly!

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    Re: Cayman GT4

    RC:
    BiTurbo:

    That worthless PFilter alone weighs 11 kg !!!

    US cars seems to be on the safe side.

    What about California? At some point, I doubt that Porsche will offer cars w/o PF outside of California.

    No mention of GPF on their official US site Smiley

    Unless California is now part of the EU, which still believes Obama is the president Smiley Smiley


    Re: Cayman GT4

    y0ukz:

    As far as I know, Porsche is introducing a facelift of the 718 at the end of this year. So there will be a GT4 2020 but might be different from what has been introduced yesterday. 

    I am already in the list just in case ! 

    No chance it will be different . The facelift will have the GT4 that goes with it at the end of the line cycle . That is in about 4 years 


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    BjoernB:

    in Switzerland you can get it easily to 150k specced - which is a bad joke considering the used GT market here.

    This joke you speak of started back in 2012 when 991 was introduced, some folks aren't catching up nor do they want to believe it Smiley

    Can't wait to see who'll be the first to remove the GPF with straight pipes and get pulled over Smiley

    This will affect sales, if the the car sounds like sh*t with GPF and thosethat  are anal about weight will upgrade to higher flow pipes Smiley


    Re: Cayman GT4

    964C2:
    reginos:

    For me the standard front is too saloon-car-like. Not sporty at all.

    Anyway plenty of work for the facelift on the 992.

    porsche_992_head_on.jpg

    Exactly!

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    Well not exactly,but damn....angry


    Re: Cayman GT4

    I see the Spyder as the poor man's version of the Speedster. 

    It's only got 420HP as compared to 500HP, but 420HP is plenty tough for canyon back road carving, plus, it's smaller than the Speedster.

    It's also designed to be drive mostly with the top down, just like the Speedster.

    Now if one compared the Spyder vs the Speedster, instead of the previous version of the Spyder, then the new one becomes a bargain.

    It's all about the perspective.


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Told you guys it will be 420HP 4.0L NA flat 6 over a year ago smiley

     


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Whoopsy:

    Told you guys it will be 420HP 4.0L NA flat 6 over a year ago smiley

     

    Can you help me pick a winning lottery number.....wink


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Actually Spyder has 420ps and Speedster has 510ps Smiley


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Grant:

    Actually Spyder has 420ps and Speedster has 510ps Smiley

     

    On the street, what can be done with 510ps that cannot be done with 420ps? Smiley

    Plus, the Spyder is mid engine, infinitely more agile than the rear engined Speedster. 


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Whoopsy:
    Grant:

    Actually Spyder has 420ps and Speedster has 510ps Smiley

     

    On the street, what can be done with 510ps that cannot be done with 420ps? Smiley

    Plus, the Spyder is mid engine, infinitely more agile than the rear engined Speedster. 

    Yeah, I agree that they are both more than fast enough for the road.  I guess the extra pleasure in the Speedster might come from winding the motor to its 9,000 rpm redline (and the better gearing that is made possible from that), the 12% higher torque peak despite same displacement, and benefitting from the super-sharp throttle response of the Individual Throttle Bodies.  But is that worth 3x the price? Smiley


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    18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Whoopsy:

    Told you guys it will be 420HP 4.0L NA flat 6 over a year ago smiley

    IMG_7832.jpg Smiley


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    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: Cayman GT4

    bluelines:
    Whoopsy:

    Told you guys it will be 420HP 4.0L NA flat 6 over a year ago smiley

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    There should bee another post from May after I came back from Weissach that said I found out it won't be the GT3 engine but a rework of a existing engine.Smiley


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Whoopsy:
    bluelines:
    Whoopsy:

    Told you guys it will be 420HP 4.0L NA flat 6 over a year ago smiley

    IMG_7832.jpg Smiley

     

    There should bee another post from May after I came back from Weissach that said I found out it won't be the GT3 engine but a rework of a existing engine.Smiley


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    i can confirm that there is a post of this!

    as suggested to tell via PM from Whoopsy!SmileySmileySmiley


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    Re: Cayman GT4

    the-missile:

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    This was so close to the real thing...but the wheels


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Super Darius:

    i can confirm that there is a post of this!

    as suggested to tell via PM from Whoopsy!SmileySmileySmiley

    SmileySmileySmiley


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    2017 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS | GT Silver Metallic - The GT3 Killah!
    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: Cayman GT4

    Don't get ripped off WAY,

     

    Get a used 997.2 GT3.  A "proper" GT car Smiley


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