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VKSF said:
Has anyone seen crash test/accident injury data on 360? My suspicion is 360 is less crashworthy than 996TT, given its lower mass, possibly weaker structural integrity/airbag systems, F's own limited discussion re: car's safety systems/record, etc.....but wondering if there is data to support this view.
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VKSF said:
Excellent points, Fritz. My thinking was that, as these cars like 360 are increasingly used as daily drivers (which is really a phenomenon of the last 2-3 yrs), buyers would start to ask cos. more about any data backing up safety claims. Clearly, P and MB emphasize their cars' safety systems, etc. in their marketing materials; however, I have yet to see any data comparing the relative safety of SL55 vs 996TT vs 360, etc. Maybe F hasn't yet gone as mainstream in the usual car marketing claims area as P and MB.
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VKSF said:
Maybe F hasn't yet gone as mainstream in the usual car marketing claims area as P and MB.
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MAVERICK said:
Ferrari doesn't have a single car with basic side airbags. Why?
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MAVERICK said:
Ferrari doesn't have a single car with basic side airbags. Why?
Development and tooling costs.
All the costs involved in developing, testing (including crash tests of complete vehicles) and tooling up for production, run into millions.
Spreading those costs over, say 15,000 P911s per year is bad enough, when you have to do it over a complete production run over product life of 500 to 5.000 cars, then the cost per unit looks sick, and you haven't built or sold one car yet!
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rossi said:
Exactly. Let me ask a bold question: what do you think, are side bags in a sportscar a must or can it do without just like the Ferrari?
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rossi said:
Exactly. Let me ask a bold question: what do you think, are side bags in a sportscar a must or can it do without just like the Ferrari?
then let me reply with a bold jest
i think if someone crashed their ferrari, they wouldn't want to live anymore anyway, so airbags are not neccessary per say.
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rossi said:
Anyway, don't you think that front airbags are most important, but we can argue about the rest?
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Ferdie said:
The Porsche Boxster (and therefore also the 996) was crashtested against the SLK and Z3 a few years ago and achieved the best result. Amongst one reason was the engine in the back, providing more room to convert the kinetic energy.
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Ferdie said:
I am also not too sure about the 360's safety - I don't expect it to be dangerous to travel in, since Ferrari does several crash test in advance of the model's launch.
Anyhow, Porsche and Mercedes seem to be the ones with the strongest emphasis on active and passive safety!
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MAVERICK said:
Ferrari doesn't have a single car with basic side airbags. Why? Even the new 612 boasts of a strong structure in the event of a side-impact but carries no side airbags. What makes the 612's contruction so special that it does not need side airbags?
We may have to wait for a sufficiently prominent F-car owner to fry in an F-car crash before the buyer base demands better safety systems engineering....or maybe P will get the buyers abandoning F for a (presumably) safer sports car? Darwinian selection on various levels?....
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fritz said:
Nevertheless I admit that whereas I always buckle up in a car, I do not give thought to the question whether the car I am riding in is fitted with airbags. I would think about it when ordering a car though, so it is a marketing consideration in my view.
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fritz said:
Nevertheless I admit that whereas I always buckle up in a car, I do not give thought to the question whether the car I am riding in is fitted with airbags. I would think about it when ordering a car though, so it is a marketing consideration in my view.
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vtrader said:
Granted that a Nissan and a BMW are no Ferrari, but getting broadsided by an American SUV in a car with no side airbags almost always means death or very serious injuries no matter which car you are in. There is just no protection for the head without side airbags (head and torso).
The lady I hit was lucky because both cars were of the same height. If I was driving an SUV, then it would have been a different story for her.
(I'm glad I'm getting a 996TTS for commuting duty); however, stories like this make it tough for me to not go into rehab to kick an F-car addiction (360CS is a very addictive car...just drive/snort one).....and convertibles seem like death traps (I think I prefer both head/side airbags and a real roof when faced w/an SUV collision)...
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vtrader said:
The new BMWs now have a crash program that are activated when the car is in an accident including turning on the flashers and the interior lights. Two features I could have used when I had the accident.
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MAVERICK said:
...... the airbag activation will trigger the call center to send paramedics and police to the scene. They even have knee airbags on the new, but ugly, E65 7-series for the idiots who don't were seatbelts.
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fritz said:
They'd probably charge you for calling them out on a false alarm as well?
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fritz said:
They'd probably charge you for calling them out on a false alarm as well?
I remember reading about someone who had installed a new alarm system for his house and there was a sensitivity glitch in the system. The police responded to the call twice and on the second time, the owner was warned that if another false alarm occured, he would be charged ($500 or $700 maybe) for misusing community resources.
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