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    R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/comparison/chevrolet-corvette-zr1-vs-ferrari-458-italia-vs-mclaren-mp4-12c

    Another triumph for the Fezza. Smiley

    Stunning acceleration numbers. Both the 458 and the MP4 reached 120 mph from a standstill in 8.9s! Smiley The Italia was much quicker round the track though. Ana amazing car! That Vette was also awesome and a steal for the money it costs!


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    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    I keep reading reviews about how civil the MP is on regular roads and forgiving for everyday driving. That's a big plus for total enjoyment. Did not know the F's paddle shifters don't follow the wheel. That was a foolish move by F.

    ZR-1 will always be the best value for dollar. With the extra $100K saved, you could visit any of the US aftermarket tuners and make it the equivalent of a LeMans spec car with some money left to spare.

     


    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    Paddle shifters that follow the wheel is the worst idea ever, unless you never have to take your hands off the wheel, as is the case in F1. Ferrari places big shifters and even with the wheel turned you can always grab a gear. Spinning padlles are just infuriating!


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    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    REALZEUS:

    Another triumph for the Fezza. Smiley

    Please don't use this crude english slang for something as exquisite as an Italian masterpiece. Smiley


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    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    reginos:
    REALZEUS:

    Another triumph for the Fezza. Smiley

    Please don't use this crude english slang for something as exquisite as an Italian masterpiece. Smiley

    I guess it's alright to say then that the Macca lost, since it's no italian masterpiece. Smiley Smiley


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    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    It's ok to call the McLaren Macca, in the local tradition but a sacrilege to use the Fezza nickname.  It reminds me of Gazza indecision

    The Press who are sympathetic to the McLaren mention its ease of daily use as a big plus, as if anyone is buying these cars to go to the shops yes


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    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    reginos:

    The Press who are sympathetic to the McLaren mention its ease of daily use as a big plus, as if anyone is buying these cars to go to the shops yes

    You must be forgeting the Starbucks.  Smiley Smiley


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    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    REALZEUS:

    Paddle shifters that follow the wheel is the worst idea ever, unless you never have to take your hands off the wheel, as is the case in F1. Ferrari places big shifters and even with the wheel turned you can always grab a gear. Spinning padlles are just infuriating!


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    I have both and frankly not much difference since you never really change gears with a lot of steering angle in spirited driving. 

    Fwiw, my turbo  S paddles are better than my California and 8C I would say. I've driven both on alpine roads with loads of hairpin and both systems are acceptable. 

    The best remains a proper manual anyway for having fun. 

    Now these automated gearboxes are so clever you're better off leaving them in sport + or race mode. 


    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    Or even a proper ...sequential transmission!

    http://www.sequentialshifters.com/


    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    JimFlat6:

    Or even a proper ...sequential transmission!

    http://www.sequentialshifters.com/

    I have a very similar device on my Cup, although most probably not the same gearbox. On the Cup car, it is very hard and you need to very firm with it, it's great though and very efficient.

    Don't know about this system though. I saw it years ago on an Oakley design 997 GT3 at Spa and the guy loved it.

     


    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    Bad test. I've never seen a 458 going that fast. 12C slower than both? I doubt it.


    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    wedouglas:

    Bad test. I've never seen a 458 going that fast. 12C slower than both? I doubt it.

    The test is valid. In numerous tests the 458 has achieved such numbers. Also, bear in mind that the 2013 458 has some electronics tweaks that make it even quicker off the line compared to the previous version. Finally, in nearly all tests the 12C has been slower than the 458 around a track.


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    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    REALZEUS:
    wedouglas:

    Bad test. I've never seen a 458 going that fast. 12C slower than both? I doubt it.

    The test is valid. In numerous tests the 458 has achieved such numbers. Also, bear in mind that the 2013 458 has some electronics tweaks that make it even quicker off the line compared to the previous version. Finally, in nearly all tests the 12C has been slower than the 458 around a track.


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    I am not the greatest fan of the McLaren - however... The McLaren was 10s (!) quicker than the 458 on the NBR and about 2s (!) faster on HHR based on the SportAuto Supertest. I would never get a 458 and expect it to be as quick as the McLaren. The decision for the Ferrari should be based on other criteria Smiley


    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    MKSGR:
    REALZEUS:
    wedouglas:

    Bad test. I've never seen a 458 going that fast. 12C slower than both? I doubt it.

    The test is valid. In numerous tests the 458 has achieved such numbers. Also, bear in mind that the 2013 458 has some electronics tweaks that make it even quicker off the line compared to the previous version. Finally, in nearly all tests the 12C has been slower than the 458 around a track.


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    I am not the greatest fan of the McLaren - however... The McLaren was 10s (!) quicker than the 458 on the NBR and about 2s (!) faster on HHR based on the SportAuto Supertest. I would never get a 458 and expect it to be as quick as the McLaren. The decision for the Ferrari should be based on other criteria Smiley

    I am not the greatest fan of SportAuto so I am going to keep believing all the other test instead that put the 458 in front. Smiley


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    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    REALZEUS:
    wedouglas:

    Bad test. I've never seen a 458 going that fast. 12C slower than both? I doubt it.

    The test is valid. In numerous tests the 458 has achieved such numbers. Also, bear in mind that the 2013 458 has some electronics tweaks that make it even quicker off the line compared to the previous version. Finally, in nearly all tests the 12C has been slower than the 458 around a track.

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    Are you sure about this? There hasn't been anything  confirmed about updates on MY13 Italia, yet.


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    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    pride355:
    REALZEUS:
    wedouglas:

    Bad test. I've never seen a 458 going that fast. 12C slower than both? I doubt it.

    The test is valid. In numerous tests the 458 has achieved such numbers. Also, bear in mind that the 2013 458 has some electronics tweaks that make it even quicker off the line compared to the previous version. Finally, in nearly all tests the 12C has been slower than the 458 around a track.

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    Are you sure about this? There hasn't been anything  confirmed about updates on MY13 Italia, yet.

    Positive. The Italia was upgraded a few months ago, when the Spider was introduced. The Spider by the way does not have the upgrades.


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    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    and what are these updates ? More power  ?


    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    hunterone:

    and what are these updates ? More power  ?

    Nope. ESC tweaks, gearbox optimisation and suspension settings.


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    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    pride355:
    REALZEUS:
    wedouglas:

    Bad test. I've never seen a 458 going that fast. 12C slower than both? I doubt it.

    The test is valid. In numerous tests the 458 has achieved such numbers. Also, bear in mind that the 2013 458 has some electronics tweaks that make it even quicker off the line compared to the previous version. Finally, in nearly all tests the 12C has been slower than the 458 around a track.

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    Are you sure about this? There hasn't been anything  confirmed about updates on MY13 Italia, yet.


    You'll get the old version, that's the Italian way. Smiley Smiley Smiley


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    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    Rossi:
    pride355:
    REALZEUS:
    wedouglas:

    Bad test. I've never seen a 458 going that fast. 12C slower than both? I doubt it.

    The test is valid. In numerous tests the 458 has achieved such numbers. Also, bear in mind that the 2013 458 has some electronics tweaks that make it even quicker off the line compared to the previous version. Finally, in nearly all tests the 12C has been slower than the 458 around a track.

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    FERRARI RULES!!!

    Are you sure about this? There hasn't been anything  confirmed about updates on MY13 Italia, yet.


    You'll get the old version, that's the Italian way. Smiley Smiley Smiley

    It depends on when his car was buit. Smiley


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    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    REALZEUS:
    pride355:
    REALZEUS:
    wedouglas:

    Bad test. I've never seen a 458 going that fast. 12C slower than both? I doubt it.

    The test is valid. In numerous tests the 458 has achieved such numbers. Also, bear in mind that the 2013 458 has some electronics tweaks that make it even quicker off the line compared to the previous version. Finally, in nearly all tests the 12C has been slower than the 458 around a track.

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    FERRARI RULES!!!

    Are you sure about this? There hasn't been anything  confirmed about updates on MY13 Italia, yet.

    Positive. The Italia was upgraded a few months ago, when the Spider was introduced. The Spider by the way does not have the upgrades.

    Do you mean the handling kit upgrades which were made since Sept. 2011 on MY12 Italia?


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    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    Rossi:
    pride355:
    REALZEUS:
    wedouglas:

    Bad test. I've never seen a 458 going that fast. 12C slower than both? I doubt it.

    The test is valid. In numerous tests the 458 has achieved such numbers. Also, bear in mind that the 2013 458 has some electronics tweaks that make it even quicker off the line compared to the previous version. Finally, in nearly all tests the 12C has been slower than the 458 around a track.

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    FERRARI RULES!!!

    Are you sure about this? There hasn't been anything  confirmed about updates on MY13 Italia, yet.


    You'll get the old version, that's the Italian way. Smiley Smiley Smiley

    My Italia will be built in September 2012 as a MY13. There is no upgrade so far for MY13 cars. This tweaks are old news. Smiley


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    ONUR

    WAITING FOR THE BEST CAR EVER smiley

    11 E92 M3 CP - 09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    Yes Onur, I am referring to those updates. I think that the updated car is the MY2013. Keep in mind that the model year (MY) changes each July of the previous year. 


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    Re: R&T Magazine: 458 vs ZR1 vs MP4 12C

    REALZEUS:

    Yes Onur, I am referring to those updates. I think that the updated car is the MY2013. Keep in mind that the model year (MY) changes each July of the previous year. 

    Those updates were done in September 2011 hence all of the 2012 italia's are updated and pre-2012 cars can be updated with the handling kit.

    As for MY13 cars, nothing has been announced yet.


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    11 E92 M3 CP - 09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


     
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