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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Haha.. I doubt I could afford my 993 Carrera S now laugh

    even the guy I sold it to asked me why on Earth I was selling it.


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    DaveGordon:

    I made an enquiry about a 4C Spider Italia edition - have to say this car intrigues me, looks like it might be a fun roadster which might hold its value pretty well.

    I'll read through the whole thread (minus the Tesla bits), but for those of you who have experience, how would you say it stacks up in today's context?  vs a 718 Spyder perhaps.  The light weight aspect attracts me - is this something which is very obvious while driving? Sounds like the original complaints about skittish handling can be dialled out with tyres and some caster blocks / geometry.


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    It is a VERY fun car to drive. Just don't try to park it, the manual steering will kill your arms in no time.

    Just some slightly stickier tires will make a big difference, I swapped RE71R on mine and boy what a difference in grip. Not a very powerful car, it won't win drag races on the straights on tracks, the car begs for corners instead. Very good in transition, despite being mid engine it is very stable. 

    Brand-new they aren't worth it, but now that they have settled quite a bit on second hand pricing they are VERY attractive. The only thing the 718 has on it will be a boosted steering that's about it.

    And yes, the super light weight body is super noticeable especially when you are trying to compare it with a 718.

     

     

     

     


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Thanks kiss will try and get a test drive.. see what it is all about.


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    bluelines:

    That is one reason why I got the GT4 and not a more powerful GT3 / RS. Already the GTS was too fast for public roads.

    GT4 ---the 911 slower brothaaaa Smiley


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    bluelines:
    DaveGordon:

    Thanks, interesting viewpoint. I found myself taking a friend out for a ride in the RS the other evening.  A motorway on-ramp is the only place you can light it up through a couple of gears.. through 3rd and you are looking at prison again..  And once you figure out how fast these things go around a race track public roads are just no fun any more.

    That is one reason why I got the GT4 and not a more powerful GT3 / RS. Already the GTS was too fast for public roads.

    Maybe you should get that 993 Carrera S back Smiley

    A Lotus would probably tick most boxes too, similar to the 4C.

    And if you look for a more confortable ride with plenty of fun, an Alpine would also be an alternative. A good complement to the RS. And you DO feel the light weight as soon as you enter the first corner or roundabout . 


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    the-missile:
    bluelines:

    That is one reason why I got the GT4 and not a more powerful GT3 / RS. Already the GTS was too fast for public roads.

    GT4 ---the 911 slower brothaaaa Smiley

    Slower in a straight line, faster in a smile smiley


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    DaveGordon:

    I made an enquiry about a 4C Spider Italia edition - have to say this car intrigues me, looks like it might be a fun roadster which might hold its value pretty well.

    I'll read through the whole thread (minus the Tesla bits), but for those of you who have experience, how would you say it stacks up in today's context?  vs a 718 Spyder perhaps.  The light weight aspect attracts me - is this something which is very obvious while driving? Sounds like the original complaints about skittish handling can be dialled out with tyres and some caster blocks / geometry.


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    I bought one. Yellow Smiley coupe but the nice lights. If you look for pure fun, get one. But you need to get immediately the front geometry sorted out. Don't do all the stupid modifications others do to it. I barely use mine, so from new I made just 4000km. But each time I get it is lots of fun! Also the value from new to now has almost not dropped. Also I never got so many positive reactions from people like with this car, and its yellow! Smiley My wife between the Boxster  718(4cyl) the Cayenne Hybrid the BMW 5 series or 4C, she prefers the 4C always. It's not Ferrari, not Porsche but I got very attached to it, I think I will never sell it. The police crossing a border stopped us and ask us a lot of questions about the car, then they asked us if we can do a launch control start and they where so happy and told us to have fun! And they where not Italians! Pity Alfa did it so wrong with this car in terms of finishing and marketing and so on. Also the small engine makes it very cheap to run and easy on the budget. Some comment that this is a car for very young boys.... I don't think so. Lot's of people who own one are not really young. The very young ones are the once that tend to destroy them by tuning them very badly. But you can stay out of them very easy. Also is not a supercar, even if Alfa pretend that. Is a very nice and quite fast sports car. It's really a toy for when to have fun. We had to do a trip of 1200km.... I can't tell you how tired we ended. But second day smiling and laughing at how fun it was. It's more raw than a GT3. I drove some.... By the way the radio is useless. Really! 


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    How does it compare to the Alpine A110. That one might also be a fun car to check out?


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Interesting insights kiss


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    OK, I know that I am soon getting my butt kicked again by Gnil  and Co. but one stupid question: Isn't anyone here underwhelmed with the performance of this 1114 kg car (Sport Auto Supertest, Alpine A110S)?

    I get it, the feeling of driving such a light car is different and fun and everything but the performance is not much different from cars in a similar price range (76k EUR).

     

     


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    RC:

    OK, I know that I am soon getting my butt kicked again by Gnil  and Co. but one stupid question: Isn't anyone here underwhelmed with the performance of this 1114 kg car (Sport Auto Supertest, Alpine A110S)?

    I get it, the feeling of driving such a light car is different and fun and everything but the performance is not much different from cars in a similar price range (76k EUR).

     

     

    You don't get this car Smiley It is not about sheer performance, it is about driving pleasure on speed limited country roads, sub urban areas, mountain pass. 

    The Turbo S is one of the faster cars around, but you get more pleasure in a slower GT3. Same for the Alpine A110.

    I would not get the S , as it looses that playful soft setup that you have in the A110 for a firmer ride without enough performance amelioration. 

    On the other end, the A110 is not a car for the track. Too soft for that. 

    Alpine is going to step up their game. The new CEO of Renault, a passionate sports car fan, want the brand to move forward. A SUV might be the next thing. 

    The A110S used in rally are doing very well .

    Personally I would only buy an Alpine with a manual gearbox. 

    As an example , Gordon Murray has an Alpine 110 as his daily driver and he loves it . Can't say he does not know about fun cars . 


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    RC:

    OK, I know that I am soon getting my butt kicked again by Gnil  and Co. but one stupid question: Isn't anyone here underwhelmed with the performance of this 1114 kg car (Sport Auto Supertest, Alpine A110S)?

    Have you read the article to it? I find the car quite exciting, it’s great that a manufacturer presents a car outside the mainstream and... it’s basically as fast as the Cayenne Turbo, for less than half the price, without PCCB, active swaybars or AWD. 

    I do agree that list price might be too high for many customers, no matter how great the car it is still associated with Renault that operates at a different price point.

    I’d guess a manual gearbox or convertible version suits this car very well.


    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    No, I don't get it. Sorry. Smiley

     


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Gnil:
    RC:

    OK, I know that I am soon getting my butt kicked again by Gnil  and Co. but one stupid question: Isn't anyone here underwhelmed with the performance of this 1114 kg car (Sport Auto Supertest, Alpine A110S)?

    I get it, the feeling of driving such a light car is different and fun and everything but the performance is not much different from cars in a similar price range (76k EUR).

     

     

    You don't get this car Smiley It is not about sheer performance, it is about driving pleasure on speed limited country roads, sub urban areas, mountain pass. 

    The Turbo S is one of the faster cars around, but you get more pleasure in a slower GT3. Same for the Alpine A110.

    I would not get the S , as it looses that playful soft setup that you have in the A110 for a firmer ride without enough performance amelioration. 

    On the other end, the A110 is not a car for the track. Too soft for that. 

    Alpine is going to step up their game. The new CEO of Renault, a passionate sports car fan, want the brand to move forward. A SUV might be the next thing. 

    The A110S used in rally are doing very well .

    Personally I would only buy an Alpine with a manual gearbox. 

    As an example , Gordon Murray has an Alpine 110 as his daily driver and he loves it . Can't say he does not know about fun cars . 

    It's like a Mazda MX5 Miata, not fast but a lot of fun. Just a light, pure driving car where you don't need to be at 9/10ths to have fun and where it's 8/10ths is a GT3's 3/10ths in terms of speed. 

    In Canada most of the "fun" roads have 80km speed limits. Get caught going 130kph in them and you loose the car for a week and all told it's going to cost you around $25k in fines, fees and insurance increases. Having a slower car that is fun makes sense. 


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Miata was the most fun per $ of any car we’ve had.


    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    second that. 


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    RC:

    No, I don't get it. Sorry. Smiley

    All good...different folks, different flavours. Great to have choice in the first place. Smiley


    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Ferdie:
    RC:

    No, I don't get it. Sorry. Smiley

    All good...different folks, different flavours. Great to have choice in the first place. Smiley

    Smiley One of my best friends had the MX-5. He drives a Range Rover Evoque Convertible now. Smiley Was actually a Boxster guy (he had three) after the MX-5 but I guess he got old. Smiley


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    RC:
    Ferdie:
    RC:

    No, I don't get it. Sorry. Smiley

    All good...different folks, different flavours. Great to have choice in the first place. Smiley

    Smiley One of my best friends had the MX-5. He drives a Range Rover Evoque Convertible now. Smiley Was actually a Boxster guy (he had three) after the MX-5 but I guess he got old. Smiley

    Maybe he got tired of being tall?

    Last time I tried a Miata, my forehead got beat up by solid objects in the airflow Smiley


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    RC:
    Ferdie:
    RC:

    No, I don't get it. Sorry. Smiley

    All good...different folks, different flavours. Great to have choice in the first place. Smiley

    Smiley One of my best friends had the MX-5. He drives a Range Rover Evoque Convertible now. Smiley Was actually a Boxster guy (he had three) after the MX-5 but I guess he got old. Smiley

    Your best friend is a hairdresser? Huh, wouldn't have guessed. Smiley


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Doctor. His brother, also a doctor, drives a 991.2 Targa.

    My hairdresser (she is a female) had two 911 before she switched to a Range Rover.

    Many non-intellectuals own Porsche in Germany, actually more than intellectuals I‘d say. 😉

    MX-5? Typical young women car here in the past, the current version is often seen in the hands of older men, around 50-60, so I guess I should get one. 😂😉


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    RC:

    My hairdresser (she is a female) had two 911 before she switched to a Range Rover.

    Hairdressers in Germany drive 911s? wow time for a career change. 


    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Enmanuel:
    RC:

    My hairdresser (she is a female) had two 911 before she switched to a Range Rover.

    Hairdressers in Germany drive 911s? wow time for a career change. 

    My tile contractor has a Ferrari collection...

    I think you guys underestimate how much contractors, especially those with larger companies, make sometimes.

    Half of my city's VIPs (incl. the major and his wife) showed up when my hairdresser opened her salon:

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    Interior photos:

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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    RC:
     

    Half of my city's VIPs (incl. the major and his wife) showed up when my hairdresser opened her salon:

    Have they not got anything better to do Smiley?


    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    From Alfa Romeo 4C to showing off with hair dresser saloons , can' let that one pass by , here is mine  

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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    crayphile:
    RC:
     

    Half of my city's VIPs (incl. the major and his wife) showed up when my hairdresser opened her salon:

    Have they not got anything better to do Smiley?

    Good question. Smiley Smiley

    Many are customers though, so I guess... Smiley


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    what kind of sissy hair salons are those? chest haired men go to proper butch barbershops smiley


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    I cut my own hair. When I feel like it. 


    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Carlos from Spain:

    what kind of sissy hair salons are those? chest haired men go to proper butch barbershops smiley

    There's a dominican barber shop a few blocks from my place and those guys are the best. They are also loud and obnoxious Smiley


    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    One chuckles at an Aveda spa in Munich.  That's a U.S. based company that is a subsidiary of Este Lauder.  One would think that the Germans would have home-grown brands for shampoo and conditioner.  


     
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