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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    RC:
    MKSGR:
    Rossi:
    Porker:

    The point is, what does it matter... A Lambo driver would never be tempted by the Turbo S and vice versa, as long as you enjoy what you drive, who cares about seconds? yes


    Correction, I think these two complement each other really well. Smiley

    You mean: you need the Porsche whenever the Lambo is with the dealer for repair Smiley

    Actually, my Performante is very reliable (almost 13000 km now).Smiley 

    I was just joking Smiley Times have changed, the Italian high-performance cars are much better than in the past Smiley


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    Even Ferrari is quite reliable lately (from what I heard) but Lamborghini has Audi engineers working with/for them, so the synergy from VW Group has certain had a very positive effect on quality and development. Unfortunately, it may also be the reason why Lamborghini has been stuck with that crappy Aventador auto gearbox for so long, cost considerations. What a shame.


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjKxtzHXoN4

    720S:

    0-60Mph: 3.07s

    0-100Mph: 5.7s

    1/4 mile: 10.55s @ 142.9Mph

     

     

    F8:

    0-60Mph: 2.99s

    0-100Mph: 5.96s

    1/4 mile: 10.69s @ 137.9Mph


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    The big difference in trap speed for the 1/4 miles means the 720S is making a good chunk more HP than the Ferrari.


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk4E7Pi8YeQ

     


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1BdF-7KN1s

     


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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51EcY4vAPtw

     

    Interesting comparation and comments

    (in english in the comments section)


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    sport auto 11 hours ago

    Why is the 765LT (1.46,2 min) slower than the 720S (1.45,5 min)? The 720S with Track Pack / Trofeo R had a very well balanced setup with perfect traction and a good drivability. In the 765LT it was the opposite. First problem: Entry oversteer when the steering input is a tiny bit too sharp (You have to work very, very sensitive on the steering wheel at the corner entry). Second problem: Less traction and snappy oversteer during accelerating out of the corner.

    Why is the 620R (1.49,4 min) slower than the 600LT (1.48,9 min)? Less topspeed in the 620R than in the 600LT (Parabolica: 600LT 271 km/h, 620R 259 km/h).


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    I don't get McLaren: Instead of making the 765LT the ultimate track machine, they made it another "tdf" with way to challenging driving behaviour. It makes no sense. It is one thing to give the car way too much power (720S) but then adapt the chassis, traction control, etc. around it but a completely idiotic thing to put more power into the car and make it less drivable. Where's the logic in that? Smiley Smiley

    Even pro drivers seem to dislike this setup, this should give McLaren a lot to think about. 


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    McLaren Sabre Makes Surprise Debut, Surpasses Senna With 824 HP

    824 hp (606 kilowatts) and 590 pound-feet (800 Newton-meters) of torque.

    top speed of 218 mph(351Km/h)

    Only 15 examples, each developed in close partnership with US customers

     


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    Color scheme doesn’t suit the car in my opinion. How much does it weigh?


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    They are going for the competition race car look for the road, and to me on the road it just looks silly, it is very easy to look like a poseur when driving such a car on a public street, while on the track it's exactly the opposite effect imo, looks the business on a track and is probably a handful, only for serious drivers.


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Car is a limited edition product for McLaren Beverly Hills.  There’s plenty of preening peacocks in Southern California who are more interested in posing and signaling their perceived wealth versus how the car performs. 


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    mcdelaug:

    Color scheme doesn’t suit the car in my opinion. How much does it weigh?

    It's considerably heavier than the Senna (I can't remember the number, but over 50kg more, I think)


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    Carlos from Spain:

    They are going for the competition race car look for the road, and to me on the road it just looks silly, it is very easy to look like a poseur when driving such a car on a public street, while on the track it's exactly the opposite effect imo, looks the business on a track and is probably a handful, only for serious drivers.

    exactly what I was thinking previous to reading your post. why would I want to drive such a thing on the roads.


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    it was like 100kg more as Shmee stated.


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    To be honest...I wish McLaren would have made the 765LT drivable like the 720S. Then the 765LT would be the ultimate supercar, no need for a Sabre or whatever. 


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    RC:

    To be honest...I wish McLaren would have made the 765LT drivable like the 720S. Then the 765LT would be the ultimate supercar, no need for a Sabre or whatever. 

    Reports from owners of 765 is that it fantastically drivable, feels like ultimate visceral 720 with heightened feedback and of course the extra pace and manic sounds, this car was not built to beat the Merc BS on the track, it is a car for fun on the road even at slower speeds, interestingly it is about 10s quicker than Merc BS in 200-300kph !


    -Have a read of Jas's review

    https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=242&t=1906255

     

     

     

    997 GT2 2014 3.9 Mezger, 800PS @ 1.2 bar

    2021 McLaren 765LT incoming 

    993 Turbo, 2006 built 3.8, 577PS/797NM, 1440kg DIN sold to a worthy enthusiast.


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Carlos from Spain:

    They are going for the competition race car look for the road, and to me on the road it just looks silly, it is very easy to look like a poseur when driving such a car on a public street, while on the track it's exactly the opposite effect imo, looks the business on a track and is probably a handful, only for serious drivers.

    Perfectly stated.Smiley


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    TB993tt:
    RC:

    To be honest...I wish McLaren would have made the 765LT drivable like the 720S. Then the 765LT would be the ultimate supercar, no need for a Sabre or whatever. 

    Reports from owners of 765 is that it fantastically drivable, feels like ultimate visceral 720 with heightened feedback and of course the extra pace and manic sounds, this car was not built to beat the Merc BS on the track, it is a car for fun on the road even at slower speeds, interestingly it is about 10s quicker than Merc BS in 200-300kph !


    -Have a read of Jas's review

    https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=242&t=1906255

     

     

     

    997 GT2 2014 3.9 Mezger, 800PS @ 1.2 bar

    2021 McLaren 765LT incoming 

    993 Turbo, 2006 built 3.8, 577PS/797NM, 1440kg DIN sold to a worthy enthusiast.

    I do not know who this Jas is but maybe he didn't push the car hard enough? Smiley

    I haven't driven the 765LT yet but the one person I know who owns one, is happy with the car as a product but the driving is, according to him, quite challenging vs. the 720S. Yes, he knows how to drive. Smiley He compared the driving behaviour a little bit with the F12 tdf.

    All those negative track reports cannot be wrong, unless McLaren has changed the setup of the 765LT, which of course cannot be excluded. I doubt it though.


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    RC:
    TB993tt:
    RC:

    To be honest...I wish McLaren would have made the 765LT drivable like the 720S. Then the 765LT would be the ultimate supercar, no need for a Sabre or whatever. 

    Reports from owners of 765 is that it fantastically drivable, feels like ultimate visceral 720 with heightened feedback and of course the extra pace and manic sounds, this car was not built to beat the Merc BS on the track, it is a car for fun on the road even at slower speeds, interestingly it is about 10s quicker than Merc BS in 200-300kph !


    -Have a read of Jas's review

    https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=242&t=1906255

     

     

     

    997 GT2 2014 3.9 Mezger, 800PS @ 1.2 bar

    2021 McLaren 765LT incoming 

    993 Turbo, 2006 built 3.8, 577PS/797NM, 1440kg DIN sold to a worthy enthusiast.

    I do not know who this Jas is but maybe he didn't push the car hard enough? Smiley

    I haven't driven the 765LT yet but the one person I know who owns one, is happy with the car as a product but the driving is, according to him, quite challenging vs. the 720S. Yes, he knows how to drive. Smiley He compared the driving behaviour a little bit with the F12 tdf.

    All those negative track reports cannot be wrong, unless McLaren has changed the setup of the 765LT, which of course cannot be excluded. I doubt it though.

    Hope it is not the same person you know, who told you that the 720s has serious traction problems Smiley


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    The 720S has traction issues... Unless of course you love drifting. Smiley Smiley  There is a reason why so many 720S were involved in accidents immediately after it came out. 

    McLaren did a great job with the TC setup but try this: Track mode and ESC Dynamic. Which is basically Corsa on modern Lambos. Then try to follow me on some curvy mountain roads. You'd be shocked how little traction your monster has. Smiley I drive my Performante in Corsa mode only, even when it rains or snows. For a reason. The AWD does wonders, the ESC is basically non existent, I am in total control of the car (very analogue drive feel in Corsa), unless you really try to defy physics (which of course won't work, not even in a Lambo Smiley).

    For a 720 hp car, the McLaren has an amazing traction control setup, not even Porsche comes close to it (they tried with the GT2 and almost nailed it though). Turn ESC off completely and set it to track mode and then good luck putting all that power on the ground but I guess with ESC completely off, most RWD cars will start to "dance" at a certain point. Smiley


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    RC:

    The 720S has traction issues... Unless of course you love drifting. Smiley Smiley  There is a reason why so many 720S were involved in accidents immediately after it came out. 

    McLaren did a great job with the TC setup but try this: Track mode and ESC Dynamic. Which is basically Corsa on modern Lambos. Then try to follow me on some curvy mountain roads. You'd be shocked how little traction your monster has. Smiley I drive my Performante in Corsa mode only, even when it rains or snows. For a reason. The AWD does wonders, the ESC is basically non existent, I am in total control of the car (very analogue drive feel in Corsa), unless you really try to defy physics (which of course won't work, not even in a Lambo Smiley).

    For a 720 hp car, the McLaren has an amazing traction control setup, not even Porsche comes close to it (they tried with the GT2 and almost nailed it though). Turn ESC off completely and set it to track mode and then good luck putting all that power on the ground but I guess with ESC completely off, most RWD cars will start to "dance" at a certain point. Smiley

    When it comes to RWD and turning ECS off, probably the most dangerous car I have ever driven is the Ferrari 599 GTO.  As soon s you turn the ECS off, it tries to kill you.


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    CGX car nut:

    Car is a limited edition product for McLaren Beverly Hills.  There’s plenty of preening peacocks in Southern California who are more interested in posing and signaling their perceived wealth versus how the car performs. 

    BC03/Sabre was only turned over to McLaren Beverly Hill after several of the original group that commissioned it dropped out.


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    My little baby is going to get a service.

    Thanks to the excellent service from McLaren Stuttgart (Dörr group) the service will be done during the cold days. From my home to McLaren Stuttgart we have only 30 km but they always pick up the car (thumb up for the service).

    As soon as we get beautiful weather my blue baby is ready for a ride.

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    So many beautiful shades of blue on RT lately!


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Guys, I hope all is well.  Does anyone know of a trusted aftermarket parts store for Mclaren parts? I need a new front panel and front splitter for a 2015 650S, due to a small fender bender on the track....Thanks

     

    Moser


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Moser:

    Guys, I hope all is well.  Does anyone know of a trusted aftermarket parts store for Mclaren parts? I need a new front panel and front splitter for a 2015 650S, due to a small fender bender on the track....Thanks

     

    Moser

    Ebay? Smiley 


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