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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    reginos:
    However, unless you have one of everything this car doesn't fit into most people's car plans. It is perhaps a third car, unless you do away with the Porsche, drive an Audi and buy the 4C for days of fun. To have a Porsche and a 4C would have been superfluous.

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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    For supporters of the cultivated drift:

     
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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    SuzyF:

    I don't get the point why everybody keeps comparing the 4C to a Cayman S. Two different cars and Alfa Romeo never meant to compete with the Cayman. The journalists all made that comparison, but it has never been Alfa's intention. The fact that it gets compared with the Cayman, says to me a lot about how good the car has become on such a tight budget for development of this car.

    I know that I've made the comparison with my Boxster myself, but that's only because I own a Boxster and may be replacing it with a 4C in the future. 

    I think Alfa made a mistake to even do a laptime on the Nordschleife... It says nothing about how rewarding a car is to drive and IMO that is the most important task of this car. Reward the buyers with a nice drive and tons of fun, that you don't get from a lot of other cars in that pricerange.

    The whole Nordschleife thing is just a hype.  First of all it's a completely different track than most other tracks (power is a more deciding factor than on other tracks) and second, who really cares anyways?  If you take a car on a trackday and you have tons of fun, does a good or bad Nordschliefe time change anything on the fun you have?? I don't think so... 

    And if people do want to compare it with something else, than take a look at Lotus. (Elise, Exige). I don't know what laptimes they did, but I think that is a better comparison than a Cayman S.


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    Suzy

     

    Fully agree, though I may be a bit biased as a former ALFA driver. Still love the brand but sadly for a long time they did not offer a model appealing to me in the driving fun department. This could be different with the 4C...This week there was a big event with journos at the HHR and it seems that the crowd was very impressed - solid feel, no brake fading, great sound and tons of driving fun with this small racer. And you are right regarding NoS - wait for the HHR (kleiner Kurs) laptime - will be rather impressive...


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Gauss:
    RC:

    LADA = Langsamster auf der Autobahn (slowest on the Autobahn)

    BMW = Bayerischer Mist Wagen (Bavarian Crap Car) or "break my window"

    FORD = Für Opa reicht das (for Grandpa, this car is OK)

    VW = Völlig wertlos (without any value)

    SEAT = Sehen, einsteigen, aussteigen, totlachen (seeing it, getting in, getting out, laughing out loud)

    KIA = Karre im Arsch (car kaputt)

    AUDI = Auch unter Deppen in (being "in" among idiots too)

    OPEL = Oh Prima, er läuft (oh great, it runs) or Ohne Power ewig Letzter (without power always the last)

    MAZDA = Mein Auto zieht der Abschleppwagen (my car is towed by the towing truck)

    SAAB = Ständig am Auto basteln (always having to repair something on the car)

    Now I shut up... 

     

     

     

     


    LOTUS == Lots Of Trouble, Usually Serious (...and I concur Smiley)


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    GTO = Gas, tires, oil


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Alfa had 3x cars at the Zurich Auto Show this week.  I rather like it and wanted to have a sit in it.  They said flat out 'no' mail - curiously McLaren and Ferrari were a lot more accommodating.  Not the way to win customers IMO.


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Wear more "bling" maybe   


    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

     

    The alfa 4c managed to do 1.18.84 at vairano track, here are some result near to that time, sounds almost incredible, but it is anyway 2sec faster than the elise with 220hp, the direct competitor.
     
    now I understand why the guys on evo says the 4c is so bad and that a mini cooper is much better .. Hahahaah
     
    37. Porsche 911 GT2 1:18.99 '00 460 / 1430 
    38. Lamborghini Murcielago 1:19.05 '02 580 / 1800 
    39. Lamborghini Gallardo 1:19.36 '03 500 / 1613 
    40. Dodge Viper SRT-10 Roadster 1:19.50 '03 517 / 1526 
    41. Dodge Viper SRT-10 1:19.51 '05 506 / 1600 
    42. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:19.52 '05 513 / 1437 
    43. Ferrari California GT 1:19.58 '09 460 / 1787 
    44. Maserati Quattroporte V8 1:19.66 '13 530 / 1900 
    45. Ford GT 1:19.81 '04 550 / 1538 
    46. Lamborghini Murcielago 1:19.84 '02 580 / 1800 
    47. Porsche 911 Turbo 1:19.96 '06 480 / 1585 
    48. Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione 1:19.99 '08 450 / 1400 
    49. BMW M3 1:20.10 '07 420 / 1580 
    50. BMW M3 1:20.28 '07 420 / 1646 
    51. Maserati GranSport Spyder 1:20.39 '06 400 / 1680 
    52. Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 1:20.45 '07 355 / 1550 
    53. BMW M3 CSL 1:20.49 '03 360 / 1385 
    54. Porsche Cayman 1:20.52 '13 275 / 1310 
     

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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Are you comparing the Elise and Alfa on the same type of tyre? 

    And surely you buy a car like the 4C for the finesse of the driving experience, not lap times.yes Whislt most of the magazines have praised the 4C, the more focussed like EVO have been less complimentary about the steering being not quite what it should be bearing in mind its unassisted. 


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Looking at the Vairano track layout, I do not believe a second the result of the 4C. enlightened

    PanoramicaPista_Vairano2.jpg

     


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    xander71:

    http://tv.quattroruote.it/la-prova/video/alfa-romeo-4c-il-giro-di-pista/

    Despite the fact that Vairano track is basically owned by Quattroruote (or their owner), I really doubt the result compared to the other cars in the list. Quattroruote came to some pretty weird (test) results with other cars in the past (there was one particular Ferrari 458 Italia test), so... Smiley


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    xander71:

     

    The alfa 4c managed to do 1.18.84 at vairano track, here are some result near to that time, sounds almost incredible, but it is anyway 2sec faster than the elise with 220hp, the direct competitor
    [....]
     

    The Alfa should be faster. The Elise is based on a 17 year old chassis design and the Alfa has 20 more horsepower. 

     


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    My was just a post to do some comparisons of numbers we have today, even if it is 2 secs slover its a super good result and it is as fast as it competitor (elise) or cayman. Just wait for the others to test it , and of course 4ruote is italian oriented as the germans and the english with their cars, but it is the fun with cars, it is like sport.... 

    And so fun to talk about alfa again in the sportcars forum, this is a good result thinking what horrible things they have done with the brand in the last 20 years.

    I have to say im more exited over this car than a lotus or a cayman and it have nothing to do with the power or how fast it is, i find it so cooler than the competitors, i would prefer it without any doubts, well just one, the headlights......


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    I am excited about the 4C too but all I've seen so far are press presentations and prototypes... angry


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    The first customer deliveries have begun but I believe there is now a manufacturing delay due to a problem with the air con system  http://www.alfaromeopress.com/press/article/115824


    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    In the first magazines in italy the results are amazing 0-100 4,2 secs , and very fast laptimes


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    I've got this little toy arriving on Monday indecision

    RI 1.JPG

     


    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Wow!!  Congrats ISUK! kiss


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    2014 Audi A6 Avant 3.0 BiTDI Quattro | Moonshine blue metallic
     


    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Cool! I went to enquire about one a couple of weeks back. I look forward to hearing your impressions..


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    ISUK:

    I've got this little toy arriving on Monday indecision

    RI 1.JPG

     

    Nice!


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Great!!! 


    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Wow soo cool car......let us know


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    993 c2


    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    looking forward to your impressions .


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    A few more pics ...

     

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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Simply gorgeous!  And in the flesh it's even more beautiful. Pictures don't do this car justice.

    You have great taste sir! kiss


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    2014 Audi A6 Avant 3.0 BiTDI Quattro | Moonshine blue metallic
     


    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    The 4C is a nice car but I find it rather toy-like. It is not as complete as a Cayman GTS but it costs 2/3 of the Porsche, but still it is not a great value.

    Nevertheless, Alfa should manage to make some models that a substantial number of buyers are willing to buy if they wish to make a viable business out of their operation. I don't think that the 4C will make much difference to their struggling business.


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    reginos:

    The 4C is a nice car but I find it rather toy-like. It is not as complete as a Cayman GTS but it costs 2/3 of the Porsche, but still it is not a great value.

    Nevertheless, Alfa should manage to make some models that a substantial number of buyers are willing to buy if they wish to make a viable business out of their operation. I don't think that the 4C will make much difference to their struggling business.

    FIAT needs to improve the perception of the Alfa Romeo brand after years of neglect. The 4C certainly looks as if it could make a contribution to that goal. Mentally disregard that central radiator inlet and this could be a more practical Lotus Elise successor in terms of its styling, and that is a positive image in my mind. 


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    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    reginos:

    The 4C is a nice car but I find it rather toy-like. It is not as complete as a Cayman GTS but it costs 2/3 of the Porsche, but still it is not a great value.

    Nevertheless, Alfa should manage to make some models that a substantial number of buyers are willing to buy if they wish to make a viable business out of their operation. I don't think that the 4C will make much difference to their struggling business.

     

    I've got a Cayman GTS coming in August which was quite a bit more expensive than the Alfa. Which car do you think will attract more admiring attention or create a conversation when filling up with petrol? Smiley I will also happily wager that the Alfa will retain far more of it's value over any given time period due to rarity and looks. I also know which one will be an "event" to drive Smiley

    Will it be the car to save Alfa? .... No, but it's a realistic starting point to gain some attention. Will it be fun ......... YES! Smiley


    Re: Alfa Romeo 4C

    Well, to be honest, if you are on a limited budget and you want a sporty, fresh looking car, I think this could be a nice option. I think the image of Alfa would sell better than the image of Fiat (especially here in NL, don't know about RoW)


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