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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    fritz:

    If "massive" weight reductions were economically and technically feasible they would already have been carried out on the GT models. 

    +1

    Pssst... not so loud, let them daydream for a bit longer Smiley


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    You had me right up to the "no A/C"

    Gets pretty warm down here in Oz in summer..

     

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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    bluelines:
    RC:

    Again, the lightest 991 but do not expect something like 100 kg lighter than the RS.  angry

    The RS is more than 100kg up on a base Carrera with manual, no? Smiley

    The RS is 10 kg lighter than the base 991.2 Carrera with manual.

    So just do the math...

    As far as I heard, the R will weight 1395 kg (the RS is 1420 kg, the Carrera base model 1430 kg).

    All reliable information indicates a 13xx kg weight for the R but I heard that it is something like 1390-1395 kg and not less. At least this is a modern Porsche weighting less than 1400 kg. Smiley


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    RC:
    bluelines:
    RC:

    Again, the lightest 991 but do not expect something like 100 kg lighter than the RS.  angry

    The RS is more than 100kg up on a base Carrera with manual, no? Smiley

    The RS is 10 kg lighter than the base 991.2 Carrera with manual.

    So just do the math...

    As far as I heard, the R will weight 1395 kg (the RS is 1420 kg, the Carrera base model 1430 kg).

    All reliable information indicates a 13xx kg weight for the R but I heard that it is something like 1390-1395 kg and not less. At least this is a modern Porsche weighting less than 1400 kg. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

     

    RC any info on a limited edition based on the GT3 RS? call "cup edition" bullshit or not?


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    No, sorry. I do not get much GT information, just when I meet with the right people. angry


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    RC:

    No, sorry. I do not get much GT information, just when I meet with the right people. angry

    Smiley tell me when you meet the right person Smiley


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    RC:
    bluelines:
    RC:

    Again, the lightest 991 but do not expect something like 100 kg lighter than the RS.  angry

    The RS is more than 100kg up on a base Carrera with manual, no? Smiley

    The RS is 10 kg lighter than the base 991.2 Carrera with manual.

    So just do the math...

    As far as I heard, the R will weight 1395 kg (the RS is 1420 kg, the Carrera base model 1430 kg).

    All reliable information indicates a 13xx kg weight for the R but I heard that it is something like 1390-1395 kg and not less. At least this is a modern Porsche weighting less than 1400 kg. Smiley

    The R is a 991.1 right? So should rightly be compared with a 991.1 base Carrera and not the newer and heavier turbo counterpart Smiley 


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Any further detail on production numbers?


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Anyone waiting for "massive" weight reduction is delusional...


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    Now, now, give Porsche some credit, they said "massive weight reduction", they just didn't mention that it would be your wallet not the car that would be suffering it smiley


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Carlos from Spain:

    Now, now, give Porsche some credit, they said "massive weight reduction", they just didn't mention that it would be your wallet not the car that would be suffering it smiley

     

    Smiley


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    smileyangry


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    RC:

    As far as I heard, the R will weight 1395 kg (the RS is 1420 kg, the Carrera base model 1430 kg).

     

    That would be more than insulting, as the gearbox change alone should account for more than that much weight loss (30kg) from the RS.  Then you are losing the enormous 21" wheels, etc...


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Are you surprised?


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    Nope indecision


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    if weight reduction is due to AC deletion then that is totally cheating, as I can easily remove it myself.

    any cars other than a full track car should have AC.


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    RC:
     

    As far as I heard, the R will weight 1395 kg (the RS is 1420 kg, the Carrera base model 1430 kg).

    All reliable information indicates a 13xx kg weight for the R but I heard that it is something like 1390-1395 kg and not less. At least this is a modern Porsche weighting less than 1400 kg. Smiley

    That sounds about right, RC! Smiley

    I seem to recall the 997 GT3 weighs around 1395kg with its manual gearbox...  driving.gif

    Smiley SmileySmiley


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    LP997:

    Tic tac tic... no news guys? i see that on reenlist :

    911R
    -white or silver (no PTS even if you're god himself)
    -red or green center stripe
    -black or saddle brown interior
    -carbon panels.
    -massive weight reduction efforts
    -underbody aero
    -4.0 

    I could say more but then I'd have to kill you....

     

    4.0L is still pure speculation on people hoping for the RS motor.

    3.8L GT3 engine has always been the motor in question.


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    RC: Porsche would never call it 911 R if it weighed as much as 1390 kg... My 997 RS 4.0 weighs 1360 kg and it has to be lighter than that, even if it is a 991.


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    If this limited edition "lightweight" 991 model does not weigh less than a GT4 (1340kg) then it can be written off as an Exlusive Department parts bin special. R for Rip-off indecision


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    TurboRalf:

    RC: Porsche would never call it 911 R if it weighed as much as 1390 kg... My 997 RS 4.0 weighs 1360 kg and it has to be lighter than that, even if it is a 991.

    Is there a written rule or something like that? Smiley Smiley

    Porsche puts a very special and limited edition car on the market, it will sell very well, I have no doubt about it.

    The lightweight stuff is a goodie to somehow justify the high price tag, I am pretty sure that people would buy this car even if it were "just" a GT3 without the rear wing.

    Whoever hopes for a price tag below the RS, is delusional. Smiley


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    bluelines:

    If this limited edition "lightweight" 991 model does not weigh less than a GT4 (1340kg) then it can be written off as an Exlusive Department parts bin special. R for Rip-off indecision

    Why is it a rip-off? Smiley The 997 Sport Classic was a rip-off and look at the prices now. I also consider the Club Coupes a bit of a rip-off and especially those UK special models.

    The R is no rip-off in my opinion, especially if Porsche keeps the low production number of around 600 cars (not sure about that though, demand seems to go through the roof and Porsche would be stupid not to take that into consideration).


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    Out of curiosity and sidetracking. What are 997 Speedsters going for in Europe? I rarely ever find any for sale to gauge from.


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    Mike S:

    Out of curiosity and sidetracking. What are 997 Speedsters going for in Europe? I rarely ever find any for sale to gauge from.

    Speedsters are around 300-400k EUR, at least these are the asking prices. I heard that they usually go for around 290-350k EUR (incl. 19% VAT), depending on mileage. To get one new without any mileage is basically impossible.

     


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    RC:
    especially those UK special models.

     

    these were UK dealer(s) inspired, not PAG or PCGB, so worthless


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    I didn't realize they were going for that much!! What was the new price in EU?

    Mine has got 4500km on, I really dislike the fact that it is PDK Smiley


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Mike S:

    I didn't realize they were going for that much!! What was the new price in EU?

    201682 EUR, incl. 19% VAT.

    Mine has got 4500km on, I really dislike the fact that it is PDK Smiley

    I feel with you. The PDK on my 997 Carrera GTS Cab was one of the reasons I got rid of the car. Felt almost like an improved Tiptronic, not more, even when shifted manually. The PDK on my 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cab is a completely different story, manual shifting is actually fun with it. I just wish I had the new (very short) pedal shifter way of the 991.2 or GT3 RS but I am working on a retrofit solution (if possible).


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    You should just buy this GT3 Cup with pedigree and some winnings on it shoulders, for just 139.000€

    http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=4797425

     


    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Buying race cars is not without a risk, there is no warranty of any kind. 

    Even if the car is fully operational and OK, how do you drive it on the road? Impossible to get a street certification for this car in Germany. As a fun track car only, maybe a bit too pricey.

    As a collector car, maybe worth something in 20 years or so. Smiley


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    Re: 911 R Thread Closed

    Enzo II:

    You should just buy this GT3 Cup with pedigree and some winnings on it shoulders, for just 139.000€

    http://www.forocoches.com/foro/showthread.php?t=4797425

     

    and also revise price the box and engine ... not the same like a road car...


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