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Mar 29, 2005 11:29:28 PM
- jboyko
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Re: What is the proper break-in procedure??
Actually, 20 or 21 straight days to replace the engine on the 997s, 18 days to repair the RMS on the new engine, 11 days to to fix electrical gremlins and repair the melted area near the tail pipe, 2 days for other gremlins, and 1 day to diagnose the RMS.
But, who keeps track of this kind of stuff anyway.
jb
But, who keeps track of this kind of stuff anyway.
jb
Mar 30, 2005 2:34:15 AM
- Pink Panther
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Mar 30, 2005 6:26:45 AM
- Leong
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Re: What is the proper break-in procedure??
So what is the proper break in procedure? Do we need to keep below 4200rpm? Doesn't say so in my manual!! Also doesn't say to avoid full throttle starts and abrupt stops, or labour/lug the engine!!
Could the engine in my car be different from the US?... is the UK manual the same? Just curious, I ran my car in "reasonably conservatively".
Could the engine in my car be different from the US?... is the UK manual the same? Just curious, I ran my car in "reasonably conservatively".
Re: What is the proper break-in procedure??
I too read the manual and just to be be safe, I waited till I hit the 2500. My 997S screamed up to 155 mph before I had a chance to put her in 6th gear. Unfortunately, I ran out of room on the freeway as I fast approached the next pack of cars. I can't wait to discover 6th.
Mar 30, 2005 12:35:51 PM
- Holminator
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Re: What is the proper break-in procedure??
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Romper said:
I too read the manual and just to be be safe, I waited till I hit the 2500. My 997S screamed up to 155 mph before I had a chance to put her in 6th gear. Unfortunately, I ran out of room on the freeway as I fast approached the next pack of cars. I can't wait to discover 6th.
Sounds like you hit the road to Vegas. I miss it (ex-Vegas head here for 5 years).
Re: What is the proper break-in procedure??
Your manual instructions regarding break-in/running in is sure different from the North American version. It would be easier to follow the suggestions in your manual than those found in our version. I guess it just goes to show that even within Porsche there are different opinions about what is required during break-in.
Phil
Phil
Re: What is the proper break-in procedure??
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Texas911 said:
Not different opinions, just different markets. They make cars differently for different markets/countries. So there will be differences of course.
Do you really think there is a difference in the cars (engine/transmission/brakes)? Or does the Porsche regional office for their area have a different attitude about what break-in requires. Some areas of the world only have a 2 year warranty. Here in North America it is four years. Does that have anything to do with it????
Phil
Re: What is the proper break-in procedure??
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Texas911 said:
And in New Zealand they have steering wheels on the right hand side. Do you seriously think the cars are the same?
What would a steering wheel on the right side have to do with break-in? Break-in is all about the engine, transmission and brakes. And, yes I do believe the whole world gets the same engine/transmission/brakes.
Phil
Re: What is the proper break-in procedure??
You just simplified the issue by saying all 911 are the same for every market. I just proved that you're wrong. I don't think the world gets the same engine, do you think every country has the same emission standards? Or have the same sound standards? Or bumper height standards? Every little difference can effect a whole slew of systems. Again, do you really know, or are just conjecturing?
Re: What is the proper break-in procedure??
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Texas911 said:
You just simplified the issue by saying all 911 are the same for every market. I just proved that you're wrong. I don't think the world gets the same engine, do you think every country has the same emission standards? Or have the same sound standards? Or bumper height standards? Every little difference can effect a whole slew of systems. Again, do you really know, or are just conjecturing?
And what would anything you mentioned have to do with the break-in? The internal workings of the engine are what needs to be broken in, not the emissions plumbing, not the exhaust system, etc. Yes, I do believe that the internal parts of the engine/transmission/brakes are the same. Do you have to break-in the bumper height? The issue is BREAK-IN!
Phil
Re: What is the proper break-in procedure??
Umm, I guess Porsche want us to break in all the systems in the car. And again, all the systems are related in a car, the engine isn't by itself is it? Whatever you want to believe or disbelieve. But again, you can't compare a break in procedure for another market with the US's and then simply say they are the same cars. You don't think emission standards or different fuels will effect the engine?
Re: What is the proper break-in procedure??
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But again, you can't compare a break in procedure for another market with the US's and then simply say they are the same cars. You don't think emission standards or different fuels will effect the engine?
Most likely it is because of the difference in legal systems and North America's warranty protection. Here is what Porsche says in their North American manual about "wearing-in":
"Despite the most modern, high-precision manufacturing
methods, it cannot be completely avoided
that the moving parts have to wear in with each
other. This wearing-in occurs mainly in the first
2,000 miles/3,000 km."
I still don't see a correlation between emission controls, exhaust systems, right hand steering, car and bumper height and "wearing-in". Porsche uses the same oil in their engines throughout the world.
The difference in the manuals as to break-in procedures has to be for other reasons, maybe only known by Porsche.
Phil
Re: What is the proper break-in procedure??
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aristal said:
so can anyone answer this simple question: when did you guys do your very first oil-change???
It's pretty hard to get any straight answers here.... My dealer says around 20,000km!! so it may be that nobody has done an oil "change" on a 997 yet.
Re: What is the proper break-in procedure??
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JZ said:
As I asked before, those of you talking about downloading the manual, where and how did you do it? Thanks again
JZ
Go to http://www.renntech.org/
They are available there.
Phil
Re: What is the proper break-in procedure??
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PS CA said:
Some areas of the world only have a 2 year warranty. Here in North America it is four years. Does that have anything to do with it????
Phil
Your're right about warranty periods, ours being only 2 yrs, but should they exclude whats already in the US manual just bacause they're not legally liable for problems after this time? Most of our car's specs are the same as UK, eg emmissions, RHD, but differing standard spec levels. I've noticed that Porsche change the wipers with RHD, and LHD versions... not too many other car companies bother to do this, not BMW or Mercedes anyway!
Mar 31, 2005 12:38:57 AM
- Silver Bullet
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Re: What is the proper break-in procedure??
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Leong said:Quote:
aristal said:
so can anyone answer this simple question: when did you guys do your very first oil-change???
It's pretty hard to get any straight answers here.... My dealer says around 20,000km!! so it may be that nobody has done an oil "change" on a 997 yet.
I changed the oil on my 996 after about 7,500 km. I wanted to put fresh oil for winter storage so that when I started it cold or in the spring, she had perfect oil. I also wanted to rid the car of "breakin contaminants", which I'm sure you've heard of. I really have no idea if this is important or not, but I decided to do it anyway. (I'm left wondering if all the "contaminants", should they exist, really get drained out?!) Finally, I think an early oil change on your service record shows that you care for the car and are willing to go the extra mile for it - may well end up impacting resale value one day.
-SB
Mar 31, 2005 2:38:15 AM
- Leong
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Re: What is the proper break-in procedure??
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Silver Bullet said:
I'm left wondering if all the "contaminants", should they exist, really get drained out?!)
-SB
On previous cars I had the oil changed at 500 or 100km for this reason, but not the last few cars. Maybe there are fewer contaminants these days, but surely removing what there is would be better. I'm sure changing the oil would remove "most" but probably not all as you're saying.
Maybe it's so the marketing people can say that the new car requires "less servicing... first service 20000km"
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