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    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    Its a great machine for sure but why bother, GT3 RS all the way!

     


    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    reginos:

    Why Audi didn't drop 4WD for this more focused car? Less weight more involvement. Also a proper DCT would have been good since they decided to offer it in automatic too.

    At €200.000 this car makes the Turbo S at €175.000 and especially the GT3RS at €150.000 look like bargains. Even the class defining 458 Italia starts looking good value next to the Audi.

     


    Let me explain few things since your post is opening few questions...

    1. Audi did test R8 V10 without AWD. Only RWD version was not any faster then AWD one. Specially on the Ring. Since AWD is very important for Audi image they decided to stick with it.

    2. S Tronic or DCT... Technically new Graziano DCT(the one used in McLaren MP4-12C) could fit if R8 is 20mm longer. Yes, only 20mm is missing for new DCT. Since rearranging the complete car was not in question Audi decided to save it for all new R8 in 2013. BTW, Getrag DCT used in Cali, 458 and SLS is much, much bigger then Graziano DCT and weights almost 35kg more! Even ZF PDK is 25kg heavier then Graziano DCT and bigger in physical size. Next gen of R8 will use Garziano DCT.

    3. R8 GT price... Yes, 193000€ is a lot of money. Just... With same options(so, lot of CF inside which is standard on R8 GT) prices of competitors are following(notice app. German prices):

    R8 GT 198.000€

    997.2 Turbo S 197.000€

    458 Italia 230.000€

    SLS AMG 210.000€

    Gallardo LP570-4 SL 225.000€

    So, if you choose full interior CF in these cars difference in price is interesting, at least IMHO.

     

    4. My problem is that Audi decided to offer R8 GT as R Tronic only. Yes, it is almost the same gearbox as in Gallardo LP570-4 SL still I have my doubts...

    BTW, according to my source R8 GT is faster then any competitors mentioned above on the Ring. New 458 included(Audi as Mclaren and Porsche owns example of 458 for evaluation).


    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    Very informative, thank you!


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    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    Very nice car indeed


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    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    KresoF1, Thanks. 2 things. 1) the gearbox on LP 570 is very competent and fast 2) the track times of those cars- could you give your predictions?

    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    Based on various comments from different sources, probably all the cars listed above will be at 7.40 or better at the Ring. 


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    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    Then, taking only ring time into account, a GT RS is 10 secs faster and more affordableSmiley 


    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    to clarify I mean a Porsche 997.2 GT3 RS, sorry Smiley  


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    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    Yes.

    However, don't forget the GT-R is cheaper. 


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    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    irehab:

    Then, taking only ring time into account, a GT RS is 10 secs faster and more affordableSmiley 


    997.2 GT2 RS base price in Germany is 237405€ with Mwst.

    R8 GT base price in Germany is 193000€ with Mwst.

     

    Even, in USA(just there is a big IF both cars will be offered in USA!) price difference will be big.

    For example with same options in Germany 997.2 GT2 RS is 50000€ more expensive then R8 GT. 


    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    nberry:

    Yes.

    However, don't forget the GT-R is cheaper. 


    ...and in standard form(even updated MY10 EU cars) GT-R is good only for 2 to 3 laps on the Ring. After that car simply overheats...


    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    That is just too much for an Audi (not meaning that in any disrespect)! 1k more expensive than a Turbo S?! I'll take Turbo S with PDK!

    They did a decent job on the exterior to spice things up, but the interior is bland for the top of the range R8. Where is the alcatara!?

     


    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    I'm convinced that the car works perfect and performs great. But that rear spoiler looks hideous!

     


    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    The best thing that I like about this car is it's interior. (and performance)

    I don't mind it's front and rear , but don't think the side profile is at all attractive.

    Although it certainly looks modern(ish), it also looks odd!


    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    Mike S:

    That is just too much for an Audi (not meaning that in any disrespect)! 1k more expensive than a Turbo S?! I'll take Turbo S with PDK!

    They did a decent job on the exterior to spice things up, but the interior is bland for the top of the range R8. Where is the alcatara!?


    For my taste the exterior is even 2F2F. Smiley
     


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    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

     Yeah, I think this car needs to be black. With white, it's too busy. Make it all black with gloss CF and I think it will look better.


    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    Mike S:

    That is just too much for an Audi (not meaning that in any disrespect)! 1k more expensive than a Turbo S?! I'll take Turbo S with PDK!

    They did a decent job on the exterior to spice things up, but the interior is bland for the top of the range R8. Where is the alcatara!?

    BUT, isn't it GORGEOUS SmileySmiley


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    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    What is the price of the GT3RS in Germany.Smiley

    Regarding the GT-R, are you claiming you get what you pay for?Smiley 


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    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    nberry:

    What is the price of the GT3RS in Germany.Smiley

    Regarding the GT-R, are you claiming you get what you pay for?Smiley 


    997.2 GT3 RS price in Germany is 148727€ with Mwst. BUT, comparison was between 997.2 GT2 RS-NOT GT3 RS.

    Audi R8 GT will be at least as fast on the Ring as 997.2 GT3 RS and much, much faster in straight line. Also, that Audi V10 is torque king for NA engine, the way it develop its power and the way you feel low end torque needs to be experinced. IMHO even more impressive engine overall then 458 Italia V8 which is IMHO a true masterpiece. Amoung NA engines Audi R8 V10/R8 GT V10 and Ferrari Italia V8 are the best engines by far IMHO.

    GT-R? Excellent car for the money. Just, IMO you get what you pay for..


    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    irehab:

    Then, taking only ring time into account, a GT RS is 10 secs faster and more affordableSmiley 


    997.2 GT3 RS is NOT 10s faster on the Ring. Period.

    Facts-Sport Auto times:

    Audi R8 V10 7:44min Pirelli P Zero Corsa R01

    Porsche 997.2 GT3 RS 7.33min Michelin Cup N1

     

    Audi R8 GT is at least 10s faster on the Ring then R8 V10. Unofficially Audi claim that R8 GT is marginally faster then 997.1 GT2...


    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    KresoF1:
    Audi R8 GT will be at least as fast on the Ring as 997.2 GT3 RS and much, much faster in straight line. 

    Are you sure? I would be surprised if the R8GT matched the time of GT3RS/GT2 Mk1 Smiley


    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    Markus, I am sure.

    BTW, is Porsche only sportscar maker that can make an sportscar fast on the Ring? NO. We all doubt in GT-R just, HvS achieved 7.38min and that is great time.

    Do you belive that 997.2 GT3 RS is as fast as 997.1 GT2 on the Ring? HvS said yes(but, we know little story about Cups in N0 and N1 versions). I can say only that new cars are faster...

    If Audi says that R8 GT is at least 10s faster on the Ring then regular R8 V10(7.44min in HvS) hands you doubt in it.

    How about if I told you that recently some Audi test drivers drove some new Porsches and that some Porsche test drivers drove new R8 GT. Of course, on the Ring. They are sharing experience lately...


    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    KresoF1:

    Markus, I am sure.

    BTW, is Porsche only sportscar maker that can make an sportscar fast on the Ring? NO. We all doubt in GT-R just, HvS achieved 7.38min and that is great time.

    Do you belive that 997.2 GT3 RS is as fast as 997.1 GT2 on the Ring? HvS said yes(but, we know little story about Cups in N0 and N1 versions). I can say only that new cars are faster...

    If Audi says that R8 GT is at least 10s faster on the Ring then regular R8 V10(7.44min in HvS) hands you doubt in it.

    How about if I told you that recently some Audi test drivers drove some new Porsches and that some Porsche test drivers drove new R8 GT. Of course, on the Ring. They are sharing experience lately...

     I see Smiley Let's make a little bet: you win if the Supertest result is 7.34 or below - I win if it is above Smiley Now we just need to wait for the Supertest... which might take some time Smiley


    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    MKSGR:
    KresoF1:

    Markus, I am sure.

    BTW, is Porsche only sportscar maker that can make an sportscar fast on the Ring? NO. We all doubt in GT-R just, HvS achieved 7.38min and that is great time.

    Do you belive that 997.2 GT3 RS is as fast as 997.1 GT2 on the Ring? HvS said yes(but, we know little story about Cups in N0 and N1 versions). I can say only that new cars are faster...

    If Audi says that R8 GT is at least 10s faster on the Ring then regular R8 V10(7.44min in HvS) hands you doubt in it.

    How about if I told you that recently some Audi test drivers drove some new Porsches and that some Porsche test drivers drove new R8 GT. Of course, on the Ring. They are sharing experience lately...

     I see Smiley Let's make a little bet: you win if the Supertest result is 7.34 or below - I win if it is above Smiley Now we just need to wait for the Supertest... which might take some time Smiley

     

    This is all fine and interesting, but what are the stakes of the bet?Smiley


    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    Crash:
    MKSGR:
    KresoF1:

    Markus, I am sure.

    BTW, is Porsche only sportscar maker that can make an sportscar fast on the Ring? NO. We all doubt in GT-R just, HvS achieved 7.38min and that is great time.

    Do you belive that 997.2 GT3 RS is as fast as 997.1 GT2 on the Ring? HvS said yes(but, we know little story about Cups in N0 and N1 versions). I can say only that new cars are faster...

    If Audi says that R8 GT is at least 10s faster on the Ring then regular R8 V10(7.44min in HvS) hands you doubt in it.

    How about if I told you that recently some Audi test drivers drove some new Porsches and that some Porsche test drivers drove new R8 GT. Of course, on the Ring. They are sharing experience lately...

     I see Smiley Let's make a little bet: you win if the Supertest result is 7.34 or below - I win if it is above Smiley Now we just need to wait for the Supertest... which might take some time Smiley

     

    This is all fine and interesting, but what are the stakes of the bet?Smiley

     If I win Kreso will buy me a R8 GT Smiley If he wins I will buy him a drink Smiley


    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    Sure. You will get an nice R8 GT in 1/18 from Mattel.

    Regarding drink... Bottle of Dom Perignon Rose Vintage 1992 will be sufficient for me.


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    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

    KresoF1:

    Sure. You will get an nice R8 GT in 1/18 from Mattel.

    Regarding drink... Bottle of Dom Perignon Rose Vintage 1992 will be sufficient for me.

     SmileySmileySmileySmiley


    Re: Audi R8 GT November 2010

     I don't find it hard to believe that the R8 GT will be faster than the 997.2 GT3 RS. It will probably weigh 15% more, but it will also have 25% more power and torque. I wouldn't be surprised if it's aero is better too. Mix in the mid-engine design, a possibly improved transmission, and AWD, and you have one serious car.

     


     
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