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    458 italia - Getting Ready For The Track

    After several track events and 1 year of ownership, I realize that I had the most fun with my 458 when I'm on the track. Since we have sweet competition for lap times between 4 cars (2 458 italia, 1 Scuderia, 1 Lambo 570-SL) I decided to prepare the car for better lap times.

    First I put Trofeo R tires w/stock tire sizes since the other cars are also running on them. 

    I search for track alignment info for 458 and was advised to lower the front of the car by 30mm and rear by 20mm from 2 different sources. 458, as other V8 models, have coilovers as stock. So the official service can lower the car on stock coilover system. I didn't want to go full lowest setting so I lowered the car by 20mm in front and by 10mm at rear.

    Here is the stock front height:

    Here is the new ride height:

     

    Suprisingly, when lowered by 20mm in front, the look of the car is improved by great margin. The ride stiffness is unchanged and the new ride height in front is almost the same as stock Scuderia.

    With the help of additional shims; the front camber goes to -2.2 from -0.8 and rear camber goes to -2.7 from -1.3 which are eeded for Trofeos.

    I will see the results of this setup once I go to the track. We'll all see.

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    ONUR

    THE BEST CAR EVER smiley

    11 E92 M3 CP - 09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


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    The car looks fantastic in that colour. Glad you're really getting proper use out of it. kiss


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    The 458 doesn't stir my mind design wise, but I've said before and I say it again, your car is the best looking 458 I've ever seen,  love your color combo, if I had to buy one , it would be like yours, looks just perfect Smiley Your ownership experience have been great to follow, keep posting all your feelings and reports, it's a must for this forum, we don't see to many 458 owners using the beast the way you do Smiley. Car looks even meaner now, new stance alone, seems to be worth the mod, can't waite for your report.

    Have you driven the 570SL? How does it compared with your 458? What about engine sound?

    J.Seven


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    Agreed!


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    You'r a real petrol head blush kiss


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    J.Seven:

    The 458 doesn't stir my mind design wise, but I've said before and I say it again, your car is the best looking 458 I've ever seen,  love your color combo, if I had to buy one , it would be like yours, looks just perfect Smiley Your ownership experience have been great to follow, keep posting all your feelings and reports, it's a must for this forum, we don't see to many 458 owners using the beast the way you do Smiley. Car looks even meaner now, new stance alone, seems to be worth the mod, can't waite for your report.

    Have you driven the 570SL? How does it compared with your 458? What about engine sound?

    J.Seven

    Thank you wink

    Other 430 Scuderia and 458 italia owners are close friends of mine but I don't know the owner of the 570-SL. So no ride or drive in the SL. I haven't even heard the car. 

    I will probably meet him on the next track event on Istanbul Park where he holds of the Track record for street cars w/lap time of 2:13.6 which is about 3 seconds faster than my time I did 5 months ago on Pirelli P Zeros.

    His 570-SL has BMC carbon airbox, rides on trofeo R tires and some small modifications. The scuderia has track setup alignment recomended by Ferrari -unofficially- so lowered 10mm front and rear on stock coilovers, rides on trofeo R and completely stock car. His best lap time is 2:16.9 @ Istanbul Park which is about 6 sec faster than his previous best that is recorded on stock setup w/Pirelli Corsas. This car with this track setup and trofeo Rs also holds the lap record of Körfez Track for street cars which is 48,89 sec. My best time there is 49,5 on Michelin PSS. 570-SL is never tracked @Körfez, so we don't have lap time from him there.

     

     

     

     


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    ONUR

    THE BEST CAR EVER smiley

    11 E92 M3 CP - 09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


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    You really seem to love your 458, Onur. Smiley Good setup, can't wait to see how it improves your track times. Smiley


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    Gorgeous, it really improved the looks! Curious to see what changes it will make, I assume especially the camber settings will prove useful. I have -3°F/-2°R on my CSL, it improved cornering grip immensely.


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    Glad to see a Ferrari that's being treated like a proper drivers car and not just a garage queen. I'd be interesting to see how close you can get to that track record now that you made this modifications. 


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    Enmanuel:

    Glad to see a Ferrari that's being treated like a proper drivers car and not just a garage queen. I'd be interesting to see how close you can get to that track record now that you made this modifications. 

    I'm aiming for low 2:12 @Istanbul Park which is 4 sec. faster than my current best time. We'll see Smiley


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    ONUR

    THE BEST CAR EVER smiley

    11 E92 M3 CP - 09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


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    How much kilometer you have spend with the car in one year?  Have you had any trouble with the car? The colour combo iskiss


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    pride355:
    Enmanuel:

    Glad to see a Ferrari that's being treated like a proper drivers car and not just a garage queen. I'd be interesting to see how close you can get to that track record now that you made this modifications. 

    I'm aiming for low 2:12 @Istanbul Park which is 4 sec. faster than my current best time. We'll see Smiley

    The SL has posted a time 3 seconds faster than yours, and you are now looking to get a 4 second improvement. Any particular target in mind with that goal  Smiley    Smiley

    Best of luck in your endeavors!  (cheering for ya)

    Edit: btw between suspension changes and tires, I am betting on 6 second improvement  (perhaps an optomist).


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    Turbo:

    How much kilometer you have spend with the car in one year?  Have you had any trouble with the car? The colour combo iskiss

    I have done 7.060 km in exactly 1 year and had the first Yearly service last week.

    During this time I used 3 sets of tires and now on my 4th set (which are Trofeo Rs). I used 2 sets of Michelin PSS and 1 set of Pirelli P zero which were trashed in 1 day @ Istanbul Park. Therefore we can assume that I used 2 sets of tires. I did 6 track events by the way.

    I changed my front pads @5000 km after 4 track events.

    Other than these, I haven't done anything with the car. This 7060 km includes 1 long trip (approx. 1800 km) I'm just in love with the car.


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    ONUR

    THE BEST CAR EVER smiley

    11 E92 M3 CP - 09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


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    Gladstone:
    pride355:
    Enmanuel:

    Glad to see a Ferrari that's being treated like a proper drivers car and not just a garage queen. I'd be interesting to see how close you can get to that track record now that you made this modifications. 

    I'm aiming for low 2:12 @Istanbul Park which is 4 sec. faster than my current best time. We'll see Smiley

    The SL has posted a time 3 seconds faster than yours, and you are now looking to get a 4 second improvement. Any particular target in mind with that goal  Smiley    Smiley

    Best of luck in your endeavors!  (cheering for ya)

    Edit: btw between suspension changes and tires, I am betting on 6 second improvement  (perhaps an optomist).

    My friend improved his own time with 430 Scuderia @Istanbul Park by 6 seconds when he switched from Pirelli Corsa to Trofeo R w/track alignment (lowering the car and increasing the cambers)

    So I expect to be 1 sec faster/km. Furthermore, I improved few corners in my 2nd time @Istanbul Park.

    I don't want to speculate much. I'll see what I can do. Here is my previous best time @Istanbul Park:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjGImH8qAxg 

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    ONUR

    THE BEST CAR EVER smiley

    11 E92 M3 CP - 09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


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    I was @Istanbul Park last Sunday and did 20 min. of 3 sessions. Unfortunately first 2 session, the track was wet and the tempature was around 12C.

    At the last session the track started to dry out but was still damp. So as a result My best time was 2:15.173 at a semi wet track on a cold day, as an official lap time @Istanbul Park. The car worked great. I had little oversteer because of the damp tarmac but the setup of the car and the tires worked great to give me this time, on these kind of poor conditions.

    Here is the video:

    Enjoy. kiss


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    ONUR

    THE BEST CAR EVER smiley

    11 E92 M3 CP - 09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


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    Here are some pictures from the day as a bonus:


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    ONUR

    THE BEST CAR EVER smiley

    11 E92 M3 CP - 09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


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    pride355:

    Here are some pictures from the day as a bonus:

     

    You car looks SmileySmileySmiley terrific Smiley Shame it was raining! Does it tend to oversteer on this condictions?

    J.Seven


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    Gorgeous, the looks have improved so much... angel


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    J.Seven:
    pride355:

    Here are some pictures from the day as a bonus:

     

    You car looks SmileySmileySmiley terrific Smiley Shame it was raining! Does it tend to oversteer on this condictions?

    J.Seven

    Yes, just watch the video when you have time Smiley

    There are several high speed oversteer + a long drift.


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    ONUR

    THE BEST CAR EVER smiley

    11 E92 M3 CP - 09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


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    Do I have to tell you again that your car is awesome? do I?

    wink


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    Enmanuel:

    Do I have to tell you again that your car is awesome? do I?

    wink

    SmileySmiley


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    ONUR

    THE BEST CAR EVER smiley

    11 E92 M3 CP - 09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


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    My favorite color combination. Shok guzel.

     


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    KMM:

    My favorite color combination. Shok guzel.

    Thank you Smiley

    I was @ Istanbul Park, again, on Saturday and finally break the Street Car Lap Record of the circuit which is now 2:12.383 SmileySmiley

    There is still room for improvement but I hit my first target which was a lap time of 2:12.

    Here is the video of that lap:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RztGMUBO1Yw&feature

    Pictures will follow. Smiley


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    ONUR

    THE BEST CAR EVER smiley

    11 E92 M3 CP - 09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


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    pride355:
    KMM:

    My favorite color combination. Shok guzel.

    Thank you Smiley

    I was @ Istanbul Park, again, on Saturday and finally break the Street Car Lap Record of the circuit which is now 2:12.383 SmileySmiley

    There is still room for improvement but I hit my first target which was a lap time of 2:12.

    Here is the video of that lap:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RztGMUBO1Yw&feature

    Pictures will follow. Smiley

    Congrats, seems like the lowring and other mods made an improvement on your lap times. Can´t waite for the pics of the best looking 458 on this board Smiley

    J.Seven


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    A few stationary pictures taken by a pro.


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    ONUR

    THE BEST CAR EVER smiley

    11 E92 M3 CP - 09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


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    You achieved your goal of the lower part of 2:12 kiss

    Perhaps time to give the others guys a little time to try and match it, before you do even better


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    Gladstone:

    You achieved your goal of the lower part of 2:12 kiss

    Perhaps time to give the others guys a little time to try and match it, before you do even better

    Actually, when I had the time sheet of all of my laps which shows sector times seperately, I realize that in my 6th lap my Sector 1 & 2 are faster than my 21st lap in which I did my best time, by 0.700. I didn't complete this lap (6th) because of a slower car in the last corners.

    So, my theoritical best lap time is 2:11.6

    But yes, Mission 1 is accomplished. SmileySmiley

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    ONUR

    THE BEST CAR EVER smiley

    11 E92 M3 CP - 09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


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    ONUR

    THE BEST CAR EVER smiley

    11 E92 M3 CP - 09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


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    Another update:

    I was @ Körfez Race Track, yesterday and this time break the lap record of this Track by 48.049 which is 1,5 sec faster than my previous lap time.

    More importantly, I had a four consecutive laps which were the fastest of the days. I did my Best lap, lap after lap:

    Unfortunately, I forgot to start my GoPro for these laps but I have a video of my 48.370 lap:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTYoQuMb6Jo

    Well, I know this board doesn't interested much in track videos and Ferraris but I share my experiences anyway.  


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    ONUR

    THE BEST CAR EVER smiley

    11 E92 M3 CP - 09 Audi TTS Coupe - 07 997 Carrera S - 05 M3 Coupe - 03 M3 Coupe - 96 M3 Coupe EVO (PASS TIME HISTORY)

     


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    Keep it coming Onur. Great to see. I am surprised to see official laptimes from trackdays. I am being told that FIA tracks does not allow such. Perhaps a very open question, but are you aware ??

     


     
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