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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    reginos:

    I don't think the €90.000 asking price for a loaded car  is unreasonable if you think that a Carrera starts from €105.000 before essential extras and offers 385 PS the same as a 997.2 CS of 10 years ago.

    You can always compare and choose used over new, but this applies to all cars.

    And I think that a M2 will be a defining car in the future as it will be the last small RWD M-car.


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    Yes and no, it's a compact M-car. Even in go-faster CS-guise it remains a 2-series. It makes sense at the lower end of the performance car market, at around 100K EUR there's very dedicated stuff new and 2nd-hand available. Imagine the days of the 968 CS where they would charge LESS for a stripped out dedicated version. I guess that's wishful thinking these days...


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    The key word is that it's limited. People are willing to pay a premium for that.


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    M2 CS

    450hp


    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    It needs a PDK.


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    Apparently either is available.


    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    I like it,  but hard to choose over a base Carrera (add an inexpensive tune for lots of power)


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    Have a deposit on one. But I'm not sure I'll take it. The M2 is about 3600 lbs [1633 kg]. Even if this thing is 100 lbs lighter, its still a heavy car. 

    And the price will be high. My guess is around CND$120K, once carbon roof and ceramic brakes are added. While you will be very cool at Cars & Coffee, I don't think its worth that much. To me. Lets see when they actually release. 


    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    I would never choose a sports BMW over a 911 . But these BMW M division offers including the M850i are very well engineered and of high quality and they make Porsche look too overpriced and unreasonable with their standard specification. 


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    M2 CS base price is minimum 95k EUR (incl. 19% VAT).

    The 911 Carrera base model starts at only 10k more in Germany but of course it lacks the extras the M2 CS has.

    On the other hand, the 911 Carrera should be lighter than the M2 CS.

    I think the M2 Competition with 410 hp is the better offer for a base price of 62k EUR in Germany but if you order all the options, the M2 CS may be the better deal at 95k since it already has many options standard (I think).

    I don't have any M2 CS weight figure but I doubt it is going to be more than 50 kg lighter than the M2 Competition.

    My take on this: I would probably get a used(!) M2 Competition for "little" money after a year or so. I bet that after a year, you can buy a well optioned M2 Competition worth over 80k or so for under 65k.

     


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    I don't know what type of drivers the M2 attract, but I happened to be in Munich last month and most of the M2s I saw were driven rather carelessly in the city. One guy was even doing a handbrake turn on a busy Leopoldstrasse at around 9pm heart


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    reginos:

    I don't know what type of drivers the M2 attract, but I happened to be in Munich last month and most of the M2s I saw were driven rather carelessly in the city. One guy was even doing a handbrake turn on a busy Leopoldstrasse at around 9pm heart

    Most drivers are young indeed and I'm not even sure the cars are registered on their name(s) because insurance isn't cheap for these cars. I had one tailing me on the Autobahn, I couldn't even read his license plate...at 160 kph. Smiley Had several cars in front of me and couldn't drive faster, was driving in my Performante. Smiley

    It is pretty obvious that many of these drivers are driving recklessly, the car probably "provokes" a more aggressive driving style because it is small and very powerful.


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    Social appearances are different in every region. We don't seem to have that around here. Or I don't see it. 

    I like smaller cars. To find a small 4-seater, other than 911, there are very few interesting option around. 


    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    RC:
    reginos:

    I don't know what type of drivers the M2 attract, but I happened to be in Munich last month and most of the M2s I saw were driven rather carelessly in the city. One guy was even doing a handbrake turn on a busy Leopoldstrasse at around 9pm heart

    Most drivers are young indeed and I'm not even sure the cars are registered on their name(s) because insurance isn't cheap for these cars. I had one tailing me on the Autobahn, I couldn't even read his license plate...at 160 kph. Smiley Had several cars in front of me and couldn't drive faster, was driving in my Performante. Smiley

    It is pretty obvious that many of these drivers are driving recklessly, the car probably "provokes" a more aggressive driving style because it is small and very powerful.

    Usually it's kids with Jetta's or Subaru BRZ type cars that drive like idiots on the highways around here. And, for some reason, pickup truck drivers. Could be that they feel invincible in them. yes


    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    JoeRockhead:
    RC:
    reginos:

    I don't know what type of drivers the M2 attract, but I happened to be in Munich last month and most of the M2s I saw were driven rather carelessly in the city. One guy was even doing a handbrake turn on a busy Leopoldstrasse at around 9pm heart

    Most drivers are young indeed and I'm not even sure the cars are registered on their name(s) because insurance isn't cheap for these cars. I had one tailing me on the Autobahn, I couldn't even read his license plate...at 160 kph. Smiley Had several cars in front of me and couldn't drive faster, was driving in my Performante. Smiley

    It is pretty obvious that many of these drivers are driving recklessly, the car probably "provokes" a more aggressive driving style because it is small and very powerful.

    Usually it's kids with Jetta's or Subaru BRZ type cars that drive like idiots on the highways around here. And, for some reason, pickup truck drivers. Could be that they feel invincible in them. yes

    In Germany, these kids switched to M2, M4 (or older M3), C63...they often come from a migration background (I know, I know...stereotypes but unfortunately... Smiley) and their parents "pamper" them with these cars, which are often registered to their parents and/or their business. 

    An 18 year old class mate of my son, he repeated class twice (once he was a couple of months ill, then he didn't pass class), drives a C63 AMG (old one but doesn't matter). I guess his parents want to get rid of him. Smiley Smiley


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    RC:

    M2 CS base price is minimum 95k EUR (incl. 19% VAT).

    The 911 Carrera base model starts at only 10k more in Germany but of course it lacks the extras the M2 CS has.

    On the other hand, the 911 Carrera should be lighter than the M2 CS.

    I think the M2 Competition with 410 hp is the better offer for a base price of 62k EUR in Germany but if you order all the options, the M2 CS may be the better deal at 95k since it already has many options standard (I think).

    I don't have any M2 CS weight figure but I doubt it is going to be more than 50 kg lighter than the M2 Competition.

    My take on this: I would probably get a used(!) M2 Competition for "little" money after a year or so. I bet that after a year, you can buy a well optioned M2 Competition worth over 80k or so for under 65k.

    I think the better comparison to the M2 CS is the 718 GT4 and not the base 911. 


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    Truth to be told, compared to the M2 CS, the GT4 almost feels like a bargain. Smiley Will be interesting to see a comparison with both but I bet the GT4 will be much faster on the track. Would be disappointing if it wouldn't be.


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    RC:

    Truth to be told, compared to the M2 CS, the GT4 almost feels like a bargain. Smiley Will be interesting to see a comparison with both but I bet the GT4 will be much faster on the track. Would be disappointing if it wouldn't be.

    I think it will depend on the track - much more torque and 30hp more for the Bimmer will help narrow the gap on some circuits.  Equal tires for a change...

    But for similar money, I'd definitely prefer the Porsche.


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    RC:

    Truth to be told, compared to the M2 CS, the GT4 almost feels like a bargain. Smiley Will be interesting to see a comparison with both but I bet the GT4 will be much faster on the track.

    Indeed Smiley

    The M2 might be faster in a straight line, but in the corners for sure not. The M4 GTS has identical ring tone to the 718 GT4.


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    While I agree that the GT4 is the better car, the M2 does have 4 seats. 

    Not everyone has the budget, parking, etc of multiple cars. 


    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    Ramin:

    While I agree that the GT4 is the better car, the M2 does have 4 seats. 

    Not everyone has the budget, parking, etc of multiple cars. 

    You have a point here. Smiley


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    US Pricing at ~$85K.

    http://www.bmwusanews.com/newsrelease.do?id=3515


    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    Ramin:

    US Pricing at ~$85K.

    http://www.bmwusanews.com/newsrelease.do?id=3515

    Is that more or less than expected?  Seems like quite a bit - M2 Competition is $59k


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    Similar price than GT4, difficult to swallow....


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    Assuming BMW is counting on the low-production "exclusivity" desire that seems to be out there. 

    Personally, if the weight ends up being significantly lower, then maybe. Stock M2 is 3600 lbs, which sounds astonishingly high since that's what the M3 weighs. The link above shows weight as TBA. For me, the last thing the M2 needed was more power, so if that's all there is to it, I'm out. 


    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    $83,600. Not cheap!


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    Mikla:

    Similar price than GT4, difficult to swallow....

    Wait for used ones... Smiley Smiley

    Saw a used M2 (previous model) with 8k km at a BMW used car dealership early this year, full carbon all around, fully loaded, the car looked beautiful. Dealer asked only 39k for it, was willing to go down to 37k. I was thinking about getting it for my son in "advance" (he gets his driver's license next year) but decided against it, this is no car for a beginner.


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    Good call, I would never give M2 keys to a novice driver. angry


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    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    I still have an order on the M2CS, because they have not confirmed the pricing in Australia. But it’s likely to be similar premium to other countries so I’m most likely out. It’s too much for a M2 that is my daily driver. What I’m planning to do instead is to keep my M2 Competition and get a GP3 as well and use both as daily drivers. Do we have a thread on GP3?


    Re: BMW M2 Rumors

    Mini JCW GP3...not yet...smiley



     
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