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    2016 Austrian F1 Grand Prix at Spielberg

    Spielberg next


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    Re: 2016 Austrian F1 Grand Prix at Spielberg

    My prediction

    • LH 1st
    • SV 2nd
    • VB 3rd
    • NR out of race

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    Only if Hamilton takes him out on the first lap, again.


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    @apias

    NR pushed LH out of the track, not Lewis him!

     


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    Obviously, we see things differently. In Canada, Hamilton obviously forced Rosberg off track. In Spain, Hamilton forced himself off track and then collected Rosberg. In Monaco, Rosberg was nice enough to let him by.


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    @apias

    Regarding Monaco you're right, despite of that...NOT!


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    Article from James Allen on the possible impact of Brexit on F1: https://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2016/06/weekend-debate-what-impact-will-brexit-have-on-formula-1/

    He doesn't really seem to address the possibility that, in the event of eventual Brexit, would the teams actually keep their headquarters in the UK, or might they move them elsewhere, inside the EU. I don't really know the ins and outs of this, so would be interested in other's views on this specific aspect.


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    What a race.

    Spectacular tire blow out by Vettel. Guess he pushed his tires one lap too far.

    Rosberg again showed the world he is the stupid driver.

    Stewarts should looked into his deliberate crash into Hamilton, perhaps points deducted.

     


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    Whoopsy:

    What a race.

    Spectacular tire blow out by Vettel. Guess he pushed his tires one lap too far.

    Rosberg again showed the world he is the stupid driver.

    Stewarts should looked into his deliberate crash into Hamilton, perhaps points deducted.

     

    It was not a smart move but it needed to be done psychologically. He simply can have Hamilton feel as though he can be intimidated. 


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    Yes, Rosberg need to convinced himself that he can't be bullied, but reality is quite different, he is intimated by Hamilton. He needs to do a different approach, perhaps more Raikkonen. Zen like and not be affect by anything, play his own game, not someone else's game that he is not accustomed to.

    Hamilton is a bulldog, like Schumacher and Senna, and simply won't take crap from any one.

    Rosberg has no intention to take the corner, from the onboard video it was clear that he was intended on running Hamilton off the track. 

     


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    At some point it is very difficult to not be intimidated when the other driver really is better. Rosberg just blew it today. He should have stayed to the inside and seen how it worked out. Second place would have been the worst likely outcome. Now he may well lose all points for the race for failing to stop a damaged car.


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    What was the reason for all the booing of LH on the podium?


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    Germans.

    Austria is quite heavy with Germans who support their countryman


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    Re: 2016 Austrian F1 Grand Prix at Spielberg

    Whoopsy:

    What a race.

    Spectacular tire blow out by Vettel. Guess he pushed his tires one lap too far.

    Rosberg again showed the world he is the stupid driver.

    Stewarts should looked into his deliberate crash into Hamilton, perhaps points deducted.

    Oh, please, this was nothing different from what Hamilton did to Rosberg in Canada, which you defended at the time. Yes, Rosberg was at fault and deliberately tried to run Hamilton off the track, which is exactly what Hamilton did to Rosberg in Canada. Hamilton was in the wrong then and Rosberg was in the wrong today, but let's not pretend that Hamilton has some sort of moral (or intellectual) advantage here. 

    Also, it should be pointed out that Rosberg's car was compromised from damage and debris collection following Vettel's blowout. Hamilton would probably not been in a position to challenge Rosberg if not for that. On the other hand, if not for Hamilton's slow pitstop, Rosberg might never have been in a position to attempt to defend a lead.


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    yada yada yada yada do

     


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    Well, it would be nice if you applied consistent logic to your analysis, otherwise, it just looks like fanboy blather.


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    Nico and Lewis are fighting eachother, rather than fighting for wins... it can be seen by stupid actions like these from Nico, and by Lewis' stupid "Why is he on softer tires than I am?"... 

    Max on the other hand... smiley What an unbelievable race from him once more... you can imagine the cheering we did when Nico performed his kamikaze action! 


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    And a really good weekend for Jenson Button, all things considered.


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    Whoopsy:

    yada yada yada yada do

     

    Apias is only interested in insulting us and any view we have. He is not interested in F1 or politics much less common sense. 


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    I think the other thing that is notable about this race is that it shows how the DRS gimmick ruins the sport. When the race leader becomes a sitting duck who suddenly has to compete at a handicap, as happened to Rosberg vs Hamilton on the last lap, I think it diminishes the sport. Sure, it makes for a more "exciting" spectacle for the spectators, but it's a lot like telling the race leader in a 10K that he can't move his arms in the last 200 yards if another runner is within 1 second of him.


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    I think this is going to be close to the end this season. Rosberg does look quicker these past few races and more on level terms with Hams pace. Think Rosberg could have made his car wider too before that corner. Vettel is a master in these situations and would have made a better job of it. 

    Hope NR wins this year.


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    I believe Rosberg's car was suffering from the debris it encountered from Vettel's tire. It just doesn't make much sense that with the lead he had over Hamilton after passing other traffic and while on better tires, he couldn't maintain the gap that was in excess of 1 second. I think that the task was within his capabilities if it were not for having a damaged car. He should have recognized that and picked up the second place finish. Instead he has placed himself at a greater point loss to Hamilton and probably caused more strained relations with the team.

    I still wish NR well for the season, but today was a call for a cooler thinking long term strategy and he missed the call.


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    I agree with that. His car was in fact damaged. There's also this, which indicates he had brake damage, although I don't think that was directly related to the crash,

    The team revealed Rosberg had suffered a problem with his brake-by-wire system which went into "passive mode" at the end of the penultimate lap as Hamilton closed in.

    But, if he was thinking it would be better to take them both out than let Hamilton beat him, he should have done a better job of it.


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    Hamilton quote from USA 2015, "I didn’t try and push him hard, it wasn’t intentional. I don’t feel like I was aggressive, but at the end of the day I was on the inside so it was my line."  

    Isn't that the same statement Rosberg made in Austria?


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    I think he did say something like that, I think the speaker was wrong in both instances. The only thing that could really excuse Rosberg t-boning Hamilton on that turn is if the brake problem he was having contributed to it, but I haven't heard anyone say that was the case.


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    apias:

    I think he did say something like that, I think the speaker was wrong in both instances. The only thing that could really excuse Rosberg t-boning Hamilton on that turn is if the brake problem he was having contributed to it, but I haven't heard anyone say that was the case.

    That was the exact quote from Hamilton following the race in the Austin last year.   

    Hamilton and the team has stated that Rosberg's car suffered a brake-by-wire failure and it reverted to the fail safe mode.  

    Both the quote and the brake proble


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    But in Austria, the in car footage clearly shows Rosberg had no intention to take the corner, he doesn't turn the steering wheel until he hits Hamilton, and Hamilton was already running so wide that he was basically on the outside white line, leaving basically 3/4 of the track for Rosberg.

     


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    +1


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    @Whoopsy

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    @apias

    just watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynv4HM66-78#t=250.754415 and rethink your statements

    unfortunatelly it's always the same with your analysis after the races, you're a big "german Hobbit" fanboy and can't take it that LH44 is faster than Nico(rette)! :-P

    He should have understood that his brakes were off many laps before because you can feel this, but apparently race intelligence is missing; please always keep in mind that a WC is only won over the season and not in a single race.

    But that's too much for Nico to understand...

    He's like JL99, only fast when the sun is shinning and he has the best setup, but winners like VR46 and LH44 are fast in any conditions...


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    I don't think you are reading my statements, but "reading" what you think I am saying.

    Go back and do so and you'll see that I'm not defending Rosberg, but calling out those who have defended Hamlton for doing the same thing in the past, while criticizing Rosberg now. The only difference between this and US 2015 is that in that case Rosberg ran completely off track to avoid the collision, whereas in Austria, Hamilton did not. 


     
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