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    Mar 1, 2006 12:59:35 PM

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    Z06 - AMS test !

    auto motor und sport, the sister magazine of sport auto, just tested the z06:

    0-100 4.0
    1-160 7.9
    0-200 11.9

    fantasic rieview also from the dynamic point of view, only dynamic flaw seems to be the hard gearchange. brakes are excellent too. they hail the lightweight construction of the z06 as example for the other sportscar manufacturers. maybe someone could post it! thanks.

    five stars out of five, which is a rare finding in AMS tests!

    Mar 1, 2006 1:04:22 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

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    auto motor und sport, the sister magazine of sport auto, just tested the z06:

    0-100 4.0
    1-160 7.9
    0-200 11.9

    fantasic rieview also from the dynamic point of view, only dynamic flaw seems to be the hard gearchange. brakes are excellent too. they hail the lightweight construction of the z06 as example for the other sportscar manufacturers. maybe someone could post it! thanks.

    five stars out of five, which is a rare finding in AMS tests!



    Good to know that it is faster (acceleration and top speed) than the 997TT

    Mar 1, 2006 1:05:04 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Excellent review, I agree! But, guy who wrote the review is huge fan of american cars and owned few of them...

    Mar 1, 2006 1:28:52 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

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    Excellent review, I agree! But, guy who wrote the review is huge fan of american cars and owned few of them...



    But this is the nature of journalism. One can never be 100% objective.
    The numbers however speak for themselves and they are amazing, especially for the cost of the car in the USA.
    I know the build quality can dispappoint but at the price, it's still a bargain!
    Impressive.

    Mar 1, 2006 1:51:39 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

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    Excellent review, I agree! But, guy who wrote the review is huge fan of american cars and owned few of them...



    well guys, I wouldnt be worried that the leading GERMAN car magazine is biased PRO US cars... bet you they have more of a Porsche than a vette hunch. in fact they are ususally quite skeptic and though in their judgement towards US cars. this accomplishment of five stars is quite something IMO. The 997 tt will get it too - at double the price with the same performance..

    Mar 1, 2006 1:54:05 PM

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    Excellent review, I agree! But, guy who wrote the review is huge fan of american cars and owned few of them...



    I would not suspect this in case of AMS. They really seemed to like the car.

    Mar 1, 2006 1:56:49 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

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    Quote:
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    Excellent review, I agree! But, guy who wrote the review is huge fan of american cars and owned few of them...



    well guys, I wouldnt be worried that the leading GERMAN car magazine is biased PRO US cars... bet you they have more of a Porsche than a vette hunch. in fact they are ususally quite skeptic and though in their judgement towards US cars. this accomplishment of five stars is quite something IMO. The 997 tt will get it too - at double the price with the same performance..



    Whether 997TT will have the same performance is still an open question. As it appears at least the manual version will be slower. The Tip version might get close to the Z06 performance (except for top speed).

    Mar 1, 2006 2:59:33 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Does the AMS Ring test only come later in a Supertest?

    Mar 1, 2006 3:14:34 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

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    Does the AMS Ring test only come later in a Supertest?



    AMS doesnt make the ring test, that's sport auto, the sister magazine. sport auto will also perform independent performance tests, but they usually have similar results to the AMS ones (the test procedure should be the same).
    I'll check the slalom figures of AMS tonight and post them, dont have the magazine at hand right now.

    cheers

    Mar 1, 2006 3:20:31 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Thanks for the post Turbolite.
    The Z06 eats the 997 tt for breakfast in acceleration, 0.9 of a second from 0 - 200kph is a big advantage.

    Mar 1, 2006 3:45:18 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

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    Thanks for the post Turbolite.
    The Z06 eats the 997 tt for breakfast in acceleration, 0.9 of a second from 0 - 200kph is a big advantage.



    Let's wait for the Turbo test, before we jump to conclusions.
    However, if we compare factory times with the Z06 test times, it's even worse:

    TipS 100-200 km/h: 8,5 s
    6-spd 100-200 km/h: 8,9 s

    Vette C6Z 100-200 km/h: 7,9 s


    I'll say only one thing:

    Uh-oh!

    Mar 1, 2006 5:16:51 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Well they probably kept Von Suarma away from the car and that was a plus for the Z06 performance numbers.

    The 997TT will do just fine. Not to worry. It will edge out the Z06 in perf. like it really matters.

    Mar 1, 2006 5:23:37 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

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    Thanks for the post Turbolite.
    The Z06 eats the 997 tt for breakfast in acceleration, 0.9 of a second from 0 - 200kph is a big advantage.



    Some weeks ago I would still have argued in favour of the TT's performance. Today I can only say: You are absolutely right

    Mar 1, 2006 5:27:35 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Relax guys! Ferrari 599GTB will beat Z06 for sure... But, for a LOT more money...

    Mar 1, 2006 5:35:27 PM

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    Relax guys! Ferrari 599GTB will beat Z06 for sure... But, for a LOT more money...



    You are right. The 599GTB seems to offer superb performance

    Mar 1, 2006 5:39:34 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Look at 599GTB data:
    0-100km/h: 3.7s
    0-200km/h:11.0s
    0-400m: 11.5s
    1km: 20.6s(!)
    Max: more then 330km/h
    1580kg weight
    ...real beast!
    Until first tests enjoy Z06 from Geneva...

    Mar 1, 2006 5:53:18 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

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    Relax guys! Ferrari 599GTB will beat Z06 for sure... But, for a LOT more money...



    I wouldn't count on it, no matter what the price! Even thought it will have more overall power, it will be on the heavy side (almost 3500lbs). Couple this with a power plant that needs high revs to produce power, and I don't think it will match the 3.6 (0-60) of the C6 Z06 (not that acceleration is everything). C6Z06 will make more torque at 3k rpm than the 599 at 5krpm...guaranteed. Torque wins races, HP sells cars! With over 300lbs weight advantage, and a 1st gear that can hit 60mph without the need for an upshift, I predict with Z06 will hold on to this title.

    I do think the Ferrari will have a higher top speed. As far as a race track...again with the additional torque and weight advantage, I would still put my money on the Z06.

    Also GM has announced they will produce a limited version of the Z06 either next year or the following, that is supposedly total carbon fibre wrapped, 650+hp, and down to 2850lbs. The car will come in just under $100k US and will have performance numbers equal or better than Enzo.

    We shall see

    Mar 1, 2006 7:26:13 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    The elasticity numbers are good as well:

    Z06: 80-120 in 4.1 secs (4th gear, as top speed i reached in fifth)
    997tt 80-120 in 3.8 secs (5th gear)

    so not real life difference i would guess.

    Having just configured the 997gt3 on the Porsche website i must say, I'm amazed about the list of options for the z06. Instead of approx 120000 euro the z06 costs approx 80000 fully loaded, which i think is an amazing difference. certainly the gt3 is more sporty, but if someone wants a little more comfort the z06 seems to me as beeing a good compromise between gt3 and 997tt. look forward to a test drive

    Mar 1, 2006 7:51:43 PM

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    The Z06 gear change being "hard" is probably more of a tester thing. Some people might say that Porsche gearbox's feels weak or soft. Its all relative and what you are used to. The Corvette gearbox is extremely rugged and meant to take abuse.

    Not only does the Z06 have a race type dry sump oil system, it also has seperate coolers for the steering rack, transmission and differential.

    Fortunately Michelin is now making Sport Pilots for it.

    And yes, its navi and info screen are selectable for German, French.... and por Carlos, Corvette en Espanol? - Si! No problemo!

    Someone should Photoshop a Yellow Corvette and a Yellow GTB
    side by side with their wheels swapped.

    Mar 1, 2006 8:03:27 PM

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    C6Z06 will make more torque at 3k rpm than the 599 at 5krpm...guaranteed.


    Not really.

    Mar 1, 2006 8:16:30 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    The GTB is the quicker car to 200kph by .9 seconds.

    Considering that the GTB's 12 cyl engine comes from the Enzo, I would suspect that it REVS QUICKER than the Z06's stroked V8 thereby making its power in less time, hence the
    GTB would be the quicker car, weight diff or no weight diff, it probably has better aerodynamics meaning its gonna get to speed X sooner.

    The GTB has sophisticated ground effects happening. From 100mph to 200mph the Enzo would leave the Z06 behind. But for 6 times the price I would hope so.

    Mar 1, 2006 8:21:58 PM

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    A bigger problem is trying to buy a 599GTB. My understanding there are very few to be had. My dealer may only get one for the year. Though I have no interest in the car, I doubt I would be able to get one even if if I wanted one. I suspect I would have to wait at least a year or so.

    Mar 1, 2006 8:39:48 PM

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    A bigger problem is trying to buy a 599GTB. My understanding there are very few to be had. My dealer may only get one for the year. Though I have no interest in the car, I doubt I would be able to get one even if if I wanted one. I suspect I would have to wait at least a year or so.



    Nick, dont bother to waste your money on a GTB my friend. The Corvette Z06 and Ferrari GTB look too similar. The GTB does not have exlusive enough looks to warrant its 6 times higher price. Instead, why not just order a Iowa Corn Yellow Z06 with GM Scuderia shields.

    Now that the Germans acknowledge the supremacy of the Corvette, maybe soon Porsche will offer Corvette interiors from their Exclusive shop.

    Actually, Porsche could have done everyone a favor if they had bought Corvette from GM instead of sinking money into
    VW stock. Imagine a supercharged 650hp Z06 engine in the Cayenne.

    Mar 1, 2006 8:54:16 PM

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    that z06 performance is amazing , and is annoying me ,now each time i see a vette in my rear view mirror i have to see if there is an air opening on the hood ,if there is ,ill fake a phonecall and let it pass ,otherwise ill floor my G...

    Mar 1, 2006 10:00:48 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

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    Quote:
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    Relax guys! Ferrari 599GTB will beat Z06 for sure... But, for a LOT more money...



    I wouldn't count on it, no matter what the price! Even thought it will have more overall power, it will be on the heavy side (almost 3500lbs). Couple this with a power plant that needs high revs to produce power, and I don't think it will match the 3.6 (0-60) of the C6 Z06 (not that acceleration is everything). C6Z06 will make more torque at 3k rpm than the 599 at 5krpm...guaranteed. Torque wins races, HP sells cars! With over 300lbs weight advantage, and a 1st gear that can hit 60mph without the need for an upshift, I predict with Z06 will hold on to this title.



    First of all, it's blasphemous to mention the Zo6 in the same breathe as the 599, nevertheless, I'll indulge your fantasy.

    The Enzo engine has been reworked to produce a nearly flat torque curve between 2k-5k rpm. So, put a hold on your guarantee...

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    I do think the Ferrari will have a higher top speed. As far as a race track...again with the additional torque and weight advantage, I would still put my money on the Z06.



    Without question the 599 will exceed speeds of 200mph. The zo6 can only hope for a 10 mile tailwind to push it beyond 200mph.

    As for track work: the 599's first four gears are shortened specifically for such a task. The Z06's long first gear is a disadvantage.

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    Also GM has announced they will produce a limited version of the Z06 either next year or the following, that is supposedly total carbon fibre wrapped, 650+hp, and down to 2850lbs. The car will come in just under $100k US and will have performance numbers equal or better than Enzo.We shall see


    Which will result in a precipitous drop in Z06 sales. Big mistake!

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    Quote:
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    A bigger problem is trying to buy a 599GTB. My understanding there are very few to be had. My dealer may only get one for the year. Though I have no interest in the car, I doubt I would be able to get one even if if I wanted one. I suspect I would have to wait at least a year or so.



    Nick, dont bother to waste your money on a GTB my friend. The Corvette Z06 and Ferrari GTB look too similar. The GTB does not have exlusive enough looks to warrant its 6 times higher price. Instead, why not just order a Iowa Corn Yellow Z06 with GM Scuderia shields.





    I'm sure you think an Armani and a JC Penny suit look alike, too.

    In person no one will ever do a double take for a Z06. The 599 will be absolutely jaw dropping.

    Mar 1, 2006 10:26:01 PM

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    SV, the Ferrari GTB will be a loser at the track.

    Its simply too heavy, as has been the case with all modern front engine Ferraris for competition work. Its just a fast road car with no real future in competition.

    Sadly, it looks to much like a Corvette for its own good, right down to its hoodscoop and side vents.

    Ferrari needs to do a retro, but light weight Daytona design. They own that shape and look.


    They shouldnt have used the Enzo engine in a shape with design cues that another company is identified with, thats the real blasphemy.

    Does Armani now copy JC Penny suits also?

    Mar 1, 2006 10:30:18 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

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    Good to know that it is faster (acceleration and top speed) than the 997TT



    Let me see:

    997 TT Tiptronic 0-100 kph: 3.7 sec
    Corvette Z06 0-100 kph: 4.0 sec

    Z06 is FASTER???

    997 TT Tiptronic 0-160 kph: 7.8 sec
    Corvette Z06 0-160 kph: 7.9 sec

    Z06 is FASTER???

    997 TT Tiptronic 0-200 kph: 12.2 sec
    Corvette Z06 0-200 kph: 11.9 sec

    Z06 is faster indeed.

    BUT:
    1. the Z06 AMG performance data is REAL data, no factory claims.
    2. the 997 TT performance data is a factory claim. It can be better, it can be worse. And: all data is WITHOUT the overboost which is rumored to improve acceleration 0-200 kph time by aprox. 0.3 sec, meaning 11.9 instead of 12.2 sec, bringing it at par with the Z06.

    AND furthermore, you forget something: to achieve the AMS test data, you have to be a PERFECT clutch/shift operator.
    To achieve the 997 Turbo Tiptronic performance, you just have to have some force in your throttle foot.

    But I agree, the Z06 is a bang for the buck, a real bargain. Performance is very good, brakes are very good.
    But...again a "but", you hopefully read the whole article, indicating that the Z06 isn't easy to drive with the sport setup and even less forgiving if you're turning off the ESP/TC stuff. While in a 997 Turbo...electronically controlled AWD...

    As much as the Z06 impresses, the 997 Turbo is still more interesting for me personally.
    And I already want to throw in a bet: Nuerburgring Nordschleife, Z06 at least 5 seconds slowlier than the 997 Turbo. Is anybody in? And yes, I wouldn't risk such a bet without something on my mind.

    But again: if I'd live in the US, I would probably always choose the Z06 over the 997 Carrera. And I would DEFINETELY choose the Z06 over the Cayman S.

    Mar 1, 2006 10:36:45 PM

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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    RC, if you really like automatic gearboxs that much, you will enjoy knowing that GM applied for a patent for a 8 speed automatic. No joke. Guess what they will use it for.

    Mar 1, 2006 10:48:48 PM

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    RC, if you really like automatic gearboxs that much, you will enjoy knowing that GM applied for a patent for a 8 speed automatic. No joke. Guess what they will use it for.





    Jim, you'll be surprised what this "automatic" can do. Just wait for a first track review.
     
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