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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    You said it, no me. Few would be 3-10.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    noone1:

    You said it, no me. Few would be 3-10.

    A friend's Cup 2 on a GT3 lasted 3000 km with some sporadic but spirited track driving.

    My PZero PZ4 lasted around 8000-9000 km, mainly street driving with some very sporadic closed roads/track driving.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    An interesting fun fact: To achieve a louder interior sound in the new GTS models, Porsche just left away around 1 kg of dampening material, which apparently does the trick.

    Exterior sound should be similar (in loudness) to Carrera S with PSE but since the GTS models use different turbo chargers, the sound can be slightly different (which some people could interpret as "louder" but it isn't).


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    I wonder if they used a similar trick in the Cayman GTS. I wouldn't mind a quieter cabin (just a bit); especially to quiet the exhaust drone at low RPM. 

    I don't know what to make of all this tire discussion. Is the problem with the tire shenanigans? Or is it with us paying so much attention to track time differences that are meaningless in practice?

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    KMM:

    I wonder if they used a similar trick in the Cayman GTS. I wouldn't mind a quieter cabin (just a bit); especially to quiet the exhaust drone at low RPM. 

    I don't know what to make of all this tire discussion. Is the problem with the tire shenanigans? Or is it with us paying so much attention to track time differences that are meaningless in practice?

     

    Good question. Fact is: People who usually don't own these cars but love to brag about them, judge their performance by 0-100 and 0-200 kph acceleration times and maybe top speed. Drivers like us (or pros... Smiley Smiley) usually judge cars by track performance and this is where the tire shenanigans come into play. In the past, car manufacturers just delivered test cars with more powerful engines and were done with it. This didn't really help on the track though. So now they are acting more clever, by using newly developed tires. Tires which are often not ordered by customers.

    I just talked to a Porsche sales guy and asked how many GTS were ordered with the new Corsa tires. His reply was pretty clear: None of the customers even asked if there is a sportier tire available and when he told them that there is going to be one available, they weren't interested. I am pretty sure that 99% of the cars will be delivered on the standard PZero N1 and not with the new Corsa N0. Tire shenanigans.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    Clearly the right thing to do would be to publish times with both sets of tires...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    SciFrog:

    Clearly the right thing to do would be to publish times with both sets of tires...

    Smiley Indeed.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    The new Corsa N0 tires are available for all 991.2 models with the GTS tire size, BTW, i.e. the tires are available for turbo and turbo s as well. They should have a serious impact on the lap times compared to earlier tests Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    The more interesting question is: How close are the old cars to the new ones when you put the new tires on them?


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    noone1:

    The more interesting question is: How close are the old cars to the new ones when you put the new tires on them?

    The effect will be the same. We are talking of the 991.2 models only, forgot to mention...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    So then little reason for anyone to upgrade. Buy a 991.1 GTS with NA engine and put the new tires on it. Now you get a way better sound and the performance is probably nearly the same. Same can probably be said for lots of exotics etc.

    12C did 7:25 on the Ring back in 2012. I wouldn't be surprised if it's 7:10 now or something crazy like that.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    noone1:

    So then little reason for anyone to upgrade. Buy a 991.1 GTS with NA engine and put the new tires on it. Now you get a way better sound and the performance is probably nearly the same. Same can probably be said for lots of exotics etc.

    12C did 7:25 on the Ring back in 2012. I wouldn't be surprised if it's 7:10 now or something crazy like that.

    Not really. The 991.2 has the better chassis, also the increased torque helps with track times since traction doesn't seem to be an issue on the 991.2 RWD models.

    Also, there is no RWS for the 991.1 and RWS alone is a big deal.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    What was the 991.1 GTS ring time?


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    noone1:

    So then little reason for anyone to upgrade. Buy a 991.1 GTS with NA engine and put the new tires on it. Now you get a way better sound and the performance is probably nearly the same. Same can probably be said for lots of exotics etc.

    12C did 7:25 on the Ring back in 2012. I wouldn't be surprised if it's 7:10 now or something crazy like that.

    You misunderstood me - of course, the turbo s with these tires will be faster in all conditions (including the track) than the GTS. As these tires are specifically developed for all 991.2 models with this tire size.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    all these track times are for bragging rights only, unless one is looking for a track car.

    nowadays most 4 doors sedans or even SUVs are more than fast enough for daily use.

    my 9 years old Cayenne turbo with 500hp is too fast for city use, I can never full throttle it.

    for my daily 911, I want to have a performance tire that is good for wet and dry and last long, but don't need one to give me the fastest lap time and wear fast.


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    Tim

    2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe;  2016 911 GTS Club Coupe;  2015 Macan S
     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    True dat.... I have yet to floor my 510hp RRS...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    SciFrog:

    True dat.... I have yet to floor my 510hp RRS...

    Come to Germany... Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    https://youtu.be/DATS_0nZc8Q


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    Finally a black Targa thingie...looks so much better with dark colors.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    https://youtu.be/UBBuDYSd46k


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    I think the aluminum bar is a better option than the black one


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    If I was an open top guy, ( I ' m not ) I would take the Targa  with the black bar . One of the best looking current 911 . 


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    Na Mezger:

    I think the aluminum bar is a better option than the black one

    The silver bar doesn't look good on a GTS with all those black(ened) design elements. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    Gnil,RC thanks for your thoughts 👊


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    ABSportscars Test: Porsche 991.2 GTS (PDK) vs BMW M4 CS (DKG)

    Sachsenring Lap Time: 1:31.61  /  1:34.01

    Acceleration:

    0-100: 3,4  / 3,7
    0-130: 5,1  / 5,5
    0-160: 7,3  /  7,8
    0-200: 11,2  /  12,3

    0-402,34 m: 11,41  /  11,80

    Braking (Carbon Ceramic on both):

    100-0 (Cold): 30,4 m  /  28,3 m
    100-0 (Warm): 29,4 m  /  29,3 m
    200-0 (Warm): 123,7 m  /  123,1 m

    Weight: 1,498 kg  /  1,602 kg

    Vmax: 310 km/h  /  280  km/h

    Tires: Pirelli P Zero (N0)  /  Michelin PS Cup2

    Price:  149,030 Euro  /  124,200 Euro

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    Little correction... Tires for 991.2 Carrera GTS were new P Zero Corsa N0. 

    991.2 GT3 time with Cup 2 N1s is 1:31,30


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    Very impressive by the GTS, also compared to the .2 GT3.


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    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | Powerkit White - The fastest car on Rennteam
    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    Not really when you consider the similarity in lap times is just due to the torque of the turbochargers that the Carreras never had before until now, not because of any improvements of the chasis, or any other innovation over the GT3, and it comes at the expense of turbo lag, lower reving engine and no engine sound except for the farting of the exhaust. For actual driving, I'd take the GT3 over the GTS any day, if it weren't that the GT3 is not really practical as a real daily, and the GTS is just perfect for that with its perfect balance of sportiness and daily usability.


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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    You are just jealous that the .2 GTS is faster than yours Smiley


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    2015 981 Cayman GT4 | Powerkit White - The fastest car on Rennteam
    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models

    bluelines:

    You are just jealous that the .2 GTS is faster than yours Smiley

    tongue.png I'll wrap it in white with stripes and manually deploy the rear spoiler... easily GT2RS territory right there...


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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS


     
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