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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    It is less of a complain rather than frustration. But as long as other manufacturers build the cars people want and that Porsche doesn’t want to produce (thank you Ferrari for the California!)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    SciFrog:

    It is less of a complain rather than frustration. But as long as other manufacturers build the cars people want and that Porsche doesn’t want to produce (thank you Ferrari for the California!)

    If frustration, then yes, I hear you!Smiley

    Yes, Ferrari California is a good car, and I almost bought one.  But you seems a bit biased towards Ferrari though.

    I have 2 complaints (I mean frustration) about California or any new Ferrari - 1. no manual transmission, 2. too expensive Smiley


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    Tim

    2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe;  2016 911 GTS Club Coupe;  2015 Macan S
     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Targa Tim :

    I have 2 complaints (I mean frustration) about California or any new Ferrari - 1. no manual transmission, 2. too expensive Smiley

    And no NA motor in the sports car range anymore...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Grant:
    Targa Tim :

    I have 2 complaints (I mean frustration) about California or any new Ferrari - 1. no manual transmission, 2. too expensive Smiley

    And no NA motor in the sports car range anymore...

    RE:  the California 

    and to this viewer, quite frustratingly unattractive, but then this viewer never wanted 4 seats in a GT3....  4 seats seems more useful and convenient with 4 doors [and legroom]?  The first time the need for 4 doors came up around here....  the solution was a 500E,  constructed by.....  and recently there are some excellent handling 4 door rockets available.

    Does anyone put the hammer down as hard as it can be hammered in a 2018 GT3 with their young children in the back?


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

     I gct onfirmation today for a Jan build and late Feb early March delivery. PTS w/ a few CXX options. Wife and I looked at the Cali T but It didn’t fit with our use. I did lease a S550.cab which has served very well as it can take 4 adults to dinner and provides the right counterpoint to our Porsches.

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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Four adults in the S coupé is really tight... but I like the car in general kiss


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Just had my Euro Delivery cancelled - providing a 991.2 Turbo as a loaner instead.  Some problem with German registration of N. American market cars at this time.

    Still get GT3 track experience in Leipzig, get to see my car, and get to track the Turbo with full insurance, etc.

    Pretty short notice - appointment in Leipzig on Monday...


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Ouch, that sucks! You save some mileage on your car if you have to find a plus to it. :)


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Porker:

    Ouch, that sucks! You save some mileage on your car if you have to find a plus to it. :)

    Yes, that is nice.  And the car will have no battle scars.  And Turbo will be better in the wet (street tires and AWD).  Might have to check how that launch control works too Smiley


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Grant:

    Just had my Euro Delivery cancelled - providing a 991.2 Turbo as a loaner instead.  Some problem with German registration of N. American market cars at this time.

    Still get GT3 track experience in Leipzig, get to see my car, and get to track the Turbo with full insurance, etc.

    Pretty short notice - appointment in Leipzig on Monday...

    Dissapointing, but as you mentioned, AWD turbo experience should be good


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    things happened for a reason.

    I actually think it is not such a bad idea.  There will be plenty of time to drive your GT3 later on.

    Now just enjoy the turbo.  You will not worry to drive it very fast, or park it anywhere.  A bonus.


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    Tim

    2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe;  2016 911 GTS Club Coupe;  2015 Macan S
     


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    That said, it must be a great experience to drive your new car on a different continent, especially one with autobahns... I'd love to drive my own car around the states.


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    Launch control, Grant, launch control... Lets test the launch control properly indecision


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Porker:

    That said, it must be a great experience to drive your new car on a different continent, especially one with autobahns... I'd love to drive my own car around the states.

    Yes, it was really cool that the first time I ever drove on the Nurburgring was in my own GT4...


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


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    Kobalt:

    Launch control, Grant, launch control... Lets test the launch control properly indecision

    It would be irresponsible not to confirm that it's working properly Smiley


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    That sucks a bit Grant, sorry to hear that.  But at least you get to see it and blast around for a couple of weeks in the ultimate free hire car broken heart


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Grant - Does this apply just to GT3s or all NA variants?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    DaveC:

     I gct onfirmation today for a Jan build and late Feb early March delivery. PTS w/ a few CXX options. Wife and I looked at the Cali T but It didn’t fit with our use. I did lease a S550.cab which has served very well as it can take 4 adults to dinner and provides the right counterpoint to our Porsches.

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    "Don't worry about avoiding temptation, as you grow older it will avoid you"  Churchill

     

    Dave,

    Please remind us what color your PTS is????

    Thanks


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    bobr:

    Grant - Does this apply just to GT3s or all NA variants?

    I really have no idea.  The whole issue seemed a bit mysterious with few details.  Are you planning an Euro Delivery soon?


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    It’s official name is lindgrun code 226.  Unofficially it’s chartreuse.  Graham Rahal took delivery of a 911R in this color which was approved about a year or so ago. 


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    "Don't worry about avoiding temptation, as you grow older it will avoid you"  Churchill


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    I was thinking about  a Euro Delivery for late next year.


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    2014 Porsche 991 C4S Black with Sports Design Package,  2017 Porsche Cayenne Platinum  Purpurite Metallic, New York


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Grant:

    Just had my Euro Delivery cancelled - providing a 991.2 Turbo as a loaner instead.  Some problem with German registration of N. American market cars at this time.

    Still get GT3 track experience in Leipzig, get to see my car, and get to track the Turbo with full insurance, etc.

    Pretty short notice - appointment in Leipzig on Monday...


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     

     

     

    Grant,

    Sucks to hear that. Are you staying at Steingenberger in Leipzig?

    For Launch Control, in any Porsche it's as simple as nail the brakes, nail the throttle, when Lunch Control shows on the display, let go of the brake and hang on! 

    Also, hope they let you drive the long course at Leipzig, normally they cut off part of it for for Cayenne and Panamera validations. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Whoopsy:

    Grant,

    Sucks to hear that. Are you staying at Steingenberger in Leipzig?

    For Launch Control, in any Porsche it's as simple as nail the brakes, nail the throttle, when Lunch Control shows on the display, let go of the brake and hang on! 

    Also, hope they let you drive the long course at Leipzig, normally they cut off part of it for for Cayenne and Panamera validations. 

    Thanks, Nick.  Yes, staying at Steigenberger (free with upgraded room due to miscue).  Looking forward to the Leipzig track (and Spa & Ring).


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Didn't know that the Turbo had Lunch control too, can be handy!  blush 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Turbo LC different, you get  5 second countdown and then it says ignition on the TFT screen!kiss


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Found a little concerning post on Pistonheads :

    Just curious, spoken to one or two with manuals and they are a little disappointed, in comparison to the pdk version they drove previously.

    Reports that the car seems a little 'dialled back' compared to pdk. The engine spools and changes so quickly with the pdk, less so with the manual possibly to protect engine. Interesting.

    Some other guy responded :

    It's a given it will be down tuned

    The PDK car was tuned to work with RWS and the e-diff from the off.

    The manual was an after thought, has less RWS angles and no e-diff so it's a totally different tune in the manual car.

    Hence why the performance figures are so far apart from PDK to Manual this time, normal it's a 2 or 3 tenths loss on the GT3 PDK vs manual you go from 3.4 seconds down to 3.9 seconds.

    [...]

    Can the manual cars really be down tuned ? Surely 911R owners, who have driven a 991.1 GT3 RS, can chime in and share their experience comparing PDK and manual yes 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    3/10th vs 5/10th 

    Just human reaction alone will account for that difference.

    A shift in a PDK is 1/10th of a second or less, a shift with a manual is 5/10th even with the best shifters.

    Might as well reply to that guy that yes Porsche detuned the manual version of the car to 350HP only, he should be very very happy with that reply 

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    3 seconds at Nordschleife is not indicative of it being dialed back much...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Grant:

    Just had my Euro Delivery cancelled - providing a 991.2 Turbo as a loaner instead.  Some problem with German registration of N. American market cars at this time.

    Still get GT3 track experience in Leipzig, get to see my car, and get to track the Turbo with full insurance, etc.

    Pretty short notice - appointment in Leipzig on Monday...


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     

     

    I hope you still will enjoy it as much . If the weather is bad, the Turbo will be the better car . I wonder what the problem is ? The US cars are not that different .....


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Grant:
    noone1:

    Lol wait, you can't get pdk in the touring model?

    No, the Touring is designed for people who wanted a 911R but couldn't get one.

    I'm afraid this is exactly the reasoning behind the fact that it is available with manual only.

    PDK could still come though...the last word hasn't been spoken yet (according to rumors). Apparently they need the whole PDK S production for the upcoming GT3 RS and the current GT3 (which sells very well). 


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