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    From these pics, this does not look either sporty, elegant or modern. This better be much improved in real life or in different colors because I would hate to think that the 911 lovers will have to live with that interior for another 7 years. And it is more than time to get a new steering wheel design.


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    Exterior of the 991 looks fine, and 992 will be even better. It’s the interor the 991 that needs serious improvement... 


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    This is Car and Driver's review of the interior -

    Revised Cockpit

    This shifter is part of a major interior redesign that leaves little in the cockpit unchanged. The traditional five-dial instrument cluster remains, but only the central tachometer has a mechanical needle. The two dials flanking it on each side are computer representations on a pair of LCD screens. The dial to the right of the tachometer is a multifunction display as on the 991, but the one on the left can show a traditional-looking speedometer or display the various driver aids now optional on the 992. These include the controls for the new lane-keeping-assist system, as well as the adaptive cruise control and the blind-spot warning system. The outer dials also have a limited degree of customization.

    One new feature is an optional night-vision system, which comes up in the multifunction display. It incorporates software that provides a visual warning when it detects a person or an animal in the car's path. This means that the driver is not forced to split his visual attention between looking at the night-vision display and through the windshield. Also new is an optional 360-degree camera system, which should assist in avoiding curbs with those expensive Porsche wheels.

    To the right of the instrument cluster is the unmissable main touchscreen, which is a wide 11.0-inch unit incorporating most of the 12 physical buttons that controlled the various functions of the 7.0-inch screen in the 991. The HVAC controls also have been simplified, with the more detailed functions moved to the screen. It's much like the setup in the latest Cayenne and is less cluttered, although only time will tell if it's easier to use.

    A new design theme matches these changes with a small horizontal shelf bisecting the dashboard just below the central screen. The central air vents have been moved below this shelf to allow the screen to be mounted as high as possible; this means that the vents atop the dash now handle more of the airflow and have slider controls. This stylistic shelf is only about an inch wide, so it isn't for storage, and it has a textured-plastic surface that seems designed to capture dust. Moreover, it looks cheaper than the metallic trim that bisects the dash on the current 911, but plusher trim options will be offered.

    This sense of cost reduction continues to the steering wheel, which feels more plasticky and has molded facsimiles of hex-head screws. The ignition switch is similarly downgraded from the metallic-looking item in the 991. The upper surface of the center console now sports a piano-black finish that looks good when new but is vulnerable to scratches. Even the manual transmission's shift knob is now plainly plastic rather than having the leather-and-metal look of its predecessor. And the currently standard microsuede headliner becomes an option, replaced by a less-rich cloth.

    At least the superb driving position remains, with an excellent relationship of seat to pedals and a highly adjustable steering wheel that, unlike in many modern cars, can be positioned low enough for average-size drivers. The same seat options—Sport and Sport Plus in Porsche parlance—can be had, with and without extensive power adjustments.

    We had no opportunity to drive the car, but from the passenger seat of the Carrera S, all 450 horses feel present. Road noise is slightly reduced—mostly from the rear wheels—on most surfaces. And while it's difficult to discern from the right seat, turn-in, even without four-wheel steering, seems more direct with the wider front track. Overall weight is said to be similar to that of the older car, which means a little under 3200 pounds for a stripped manual Carrera S and around 3275 pounds for an automatic.


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    That is not a very flattering review of the interior surprise


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    Car & Driver magazine (to my knowledge)  twas he only mag that was invited to the 992 July San Francisco event that had bad things to say about the 992.

    I wouldnt worry too much. An American reporter criticizing the interior quality of an european car is somewhat laughable to say the very least. No offense to our American members.

    But i´ll eat my words if he´s right and i´m wrong.

    He probabbly rode on a pre pre pre pre pre production version.

     


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    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:

    Car & Driver magazine (to my knowledge)  twas he only mag that was invited to the 992 July San Francisco event that had bad things to say about the 992.

    I wouldnt worry too much. An American reporter criticizing the interior quality of an european car is somewhat laughable to say the very least. No offense to our American members.

    But i´ll eat my words if he´s right and i´m wrong.

    He probabbly rode on a pre pre pre pre pre production version.

     


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    Csaba Csere wrote the C&D piece.

    Chris Walton wrote for MT (he's a 911 homer)

    Kacher wrote Car and Automobile contributions


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    Csaba Csere has been in more cars than all of us put together. I don't always agree with him, but he knows his stuff. 


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    Far better to step out of the way of Progress than to be run over by it. 


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    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:

    Car & Driver magazine (to my knowledge)  twas he only mag that was invited to the 992 July San Francisco event that had bad things to say about the 992.

    I wouldnt worry too much. An American reporter criticizing the interior quality of an european car is somewhat laughable to say the very least. No offense to our American members.

    But i´ll eat my words if he´s right and i´m wrong.

    He probabbly rode on a pre pre pre pre pre production version.

     


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    Oh come on.  We have Tesla now.


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    Mithras:

    Csaba Csere has been in more cars than all of us put together. I don't always agree with him, but he knows his stuff. 

    I think Kacher was around writing about the invention of the car with Karl Benz.


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    You guys do realize that generalizing Americans is just exposing your limited tolerance and understanding. If I was not a friend I would just let it go and let you make yourself look foolish. Americans are all of you put into one place.  Last I looked there were people with bad taste and weight problems everywhere.  As well as brilliant and beautiful people. Cheers


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    LOL.


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    Nobody is generalizing Americans.

    Actually this forum has a good thing wich is you can be from any nationality or religion (even the ones that are tyring to kill each other) that you´re welcome here. Amazingly,  discussions about cars transcend a lot of thing wich is great.

     


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    There´s was an article written about some 2/3 years ago i believe in Auto Car or Auto Express that made a comparisson about 2 exact models but one was for European and the other was for the North America market. I think it was Golf and a C CLass. The USA version had worse build quality and materials.

    I also rememeber something about the Passat sold in the States. 


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    GT4 and the ClubSport LA Auto show

    992 Geneva 2019

    Taycan Frankfurt 2019


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    Thanks Whoopsy wink


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    Whoopsy:

    As usual, I shall be the one that says something that no one wants to say.

    The 911 is like a woman.

    First it was the pre-teen years, the original 911

    Then it is teenager, the 964

    Then it turned adult, the 993

    Then it had kids, i.e. the Boxsters and Caymans, the 996

    Then it got back to the gym after child birth, the 997

    Then it gotten older and became a MILF, the 991

    Now it's just a fat middle age woman, the 992.

    Next stop it will be a old saggy woman, the 99?

     

     

    This is very good Nick!

    But how do you explain erection of rear wing when 911 gets excited...Smiley

    I don't want to have 3 SheMan at home Smiley


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    Targa Tim:
    Whoopsy:

    As usual, I shall be the one that says something that no one wants to say.

    The 911 is like a woman.

    First it was the pre-teen years, the original 911

    Then it is teenager, the 964

    Then it turned adult, the 993

    Then it had kids, i.e. the Boxsters and Caymans, the 996

    Then it got back to the gym after child birth, the 997

    Then it gotten older and became a MILF, the 991

    Now it's just a fat middle age woman, the 992.

    Next stop it will be a old saggy woman, the 99?

     

     

    This is very good Nick!

    But how do you explain erection of rear wing when 911 gets excited...Smiley

    I don't want to have 3 SheMan at home Smiley

    At least now we‘ve lost our last female members. Smiley


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    Whoopsy:

    GT4 and the ClubSport LA Auto show

    992 Geneva 2019

    Taycan Frankfurt 2019

     Is the 718 Spyder debuting alongside the GT4?


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    Whoopsy:

    GT4 and the ClubSport LA Auto show

    992 Geneva 2019

    Taycan Frankfurt 2019

    I wrote several times already that 992 comming in 2019 Smiley


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    ISUK:
    Whoopsy:

    GT4 and the ClubSport LA Auto show

    992 Geneva 2019

    Taycan Frankfurt 2019

     Is the 718 Spyder debuting alongside the GT4?

     

    I don’t see why the Spyder won’t appear together with the GT4


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    Mithras:

    Csaba Csere has been in more cars than all of us put together. I don't always agree with him, but he knows his stuff. 

    And Csaba bought himself a 991 when he semi retired a few years ago. so he knows his Porsches.


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    Targa Tim:
    Whoopsy:

    As usual, I shall be the one that says something that no one wants to say.

    The 911 is like a woman.

    First it was the pre-teen years, the original 911

    Then it is teenager, the 964

    Then it turned adult, the 993

    Then it had kids, i.e. the Boxsters and Caymans, the 996

    Then it got back to the gym after child birth, the 997

    Then it gotten older and became a MILF, the 991

    Now it's just a fat middle age woman, the 992.

    Next stop it will be a old saggy woman, the 99?

     

     

    This is very good Nick!

    But how do you explain erection of rear wing when 911 gets excited...Smiley

    I don't want to have 3 SheMan at home Smiley

    Then it stands to follow that the GT cars have permanent errection?


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    I have noticed that the 911 Gts 4 variants are available for order again. 6d temp and OPF.  They will be the bridge to the 992...


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    911tts:
    Whoopsy:

    GT4 and the ClubSport LA Auto show

    992 Geneva 2019

    Taycan Frankfurt 2019

    I wrote several times already that 992 comming in 2019 Smiley

    There is a rumor that German dealers badly wanted the 992 end of this year, the initial planning was a December release and they were still rooting for it, even last month. Unfortunately the certification processes seem to be clogged up, so... Smiley Very very bad for dealers...


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    I wonder how this delay will affect all future releases? 


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    RC:
    911tts:
    Whoopsy:

    GT4 and the ClubSport LA Auto show

    992 Geneva 2019

    Taycan Frankfurt 2019

    I wrote several times already that 992 comming in 2019 Smiley

    There is a rumor that German dealers badly wanted the 992 end of this year, the initial planning was a December release and they were still rooting for it, even last month. Unfortunately the certification processes seem to be clogged up, so... Smiley Very very bad for dealers...

    These are very hard times for the dealers... They have to bridge more than 6 months without normal 911 orders Smiley


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    MKSGR:
    RC:
    911tts:
    Whoopsy:

    GT4 and the ClubSport LA Auto show

    992 Geneva 2019

    Taycan Frankfurt 2019

    I wrote several times already that 992 comming in 2019 Smiley

    There is a rumor that German dealers badly wanted the 992 end of this year, the initial planning was a December release and they were still rooting for it, even last month. Unfortunately the certification processes seem to be clogged up, so... Smiley Very very bad for dealers...

    These are very hard times for the dealers... They have to bridge more than 6 months without normal 911 orders Smiley

    A catastrophe... Smiley Good times for some interesting deals but to be honest, I expected some sensational deals but all I saw was OK deals, nothing really special. I guess dealers are operating at their financial limits and there don't seem to come many incentives from Porsche. Smiley


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    Re: 992 Thread Closed

    You can order 991.2 Carrera GTS 4. It is the only 991.2 equipped with PTF. Euro 6d Temp. Delivery from end of November 2018. Production ends in late March 2019.


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    KresoF1:

    You can order 991.2 Carrera GTS 4. It is the only 991.2 equipped with PTF. Euro 6d Temp. Delivery from end of November 2018. Production ends in late March 2019.


    Can somebody enlighten me, please:

    Everybody is talking about the PTF and that only these models are available. And there are cars like the Performante, which don't have a PTF and can be ordered still. So why the differences? Smiley

    Has it something to do with the production numbers of the cars?


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