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    OFFICIAL: Panamera Facelift 2013

    In the second generation (editor note: Facelift) of the Gran Turismo, Porsche is introducing the world’s first plug-in hybrid to the luxury class. Along with the Panamera S E-Hybrid with 416 hp of system power, two luxurious Executive versions are also making their debut with an extended wheelbase and an entirely new three-litre V6 engine with biturbo charging for the Panamera S and Panamera 4S. An already unrivalled broad base of models has now been extended and consists of ten models offering an even further broader range between sportiness and comfort. New and further developed technologies have enabled fuel savings of up to 56 per cent, while further enhancing operating and driving comfort. The new Panamera underscores its exceptional positioning with an even more expressive design language in the style of the new sports car generations that are marked by tighter lines, more pronounced contours and newly shaped body elements. In short: The Porsche Panamera is even more efficient, sporty, comfortable and elegant. The new generation Gran Turismo celebrates its world premiere at Auto China in Shanghai, which opens its gates on the 21st of April 2013. 

    Panamera S E-Hybrid sets new standards in efficiency, performance and operating convenience
    The Panamera S E-Hybrid is a systematically advanced development of the parallel full hybrids with a more powerful electric motor, a higher-performance battery that supplies more energy and the ability to charge it externally from the electrical grid. The electric drive produces 95 hp (70 kW), which is more than double the power of the previous model’s electric motor at 47 hp (34 kW). It draws its energy from a newly developed lithium-ion battery, which at 9.4 kWh has over five times the 1.7 kWh energy capacity of the previous battery in nickel metal hydride technology. When connected to an industrial outlet, it can be charged within around two and a half hours via the integrated on-board charger and the standard Porsche Universal Charger (AC), and it can be charged in less than four hours when connected to a conventional household electrical outlet in Germany. 

    The Panamera S E-Hybrid far exceeds the driving performance of the previous model. In addition, the previous model’s NEDC fuel consumption of 7.1 l/100 km was reduced by 56 per cent to 3.1 l/100 km. That equates to CO2 emissions of 71 g/km. At the same time, its all-electric driving performance was substantially improved with regard to electric acceleration, the electric range and electric top speed. An intensive pure electric driving experience is possible without any fuel consumption or local emissions, which is especially advantageous in the urban environment. The electric driving range of the Panamera S E-Hybrid was determined to be 36 kilometres in NEDC-based testing. Driving range may vary in real operation, since air conditioning and heating are deactivated in NEDC test conditions, for example. A realistic all-electric driving range in everyday operation would lie somewhere between 18 and 36 km – and under particularly favourable conditions it could even exceed this range. The Panamera with the new hybrid drive can reach speeds of up to 135 km/h in all-electric operation.

    The acceleration time from a standstill to 100 km/h was shortened by half a second to 5.5 seconds. The electric boost function helps here, in which the performance of the electric motor boosts that of the combustion engine. Boosting can also be activated by kick-down – such as in overtaking situations. The car’s top speed is 270 km/h. The parallel full hybrid concept developed by Porsche also offers “coasting” at higher speeds, which refers to free coasting with the internal combustion engine shut off and energy recovery by generating electricity.

    The forward-looking concept of the Panamera S E-Hybrid also embodies an entirely new range of convenience functions, which can also be activated and called up by a smart phone app. There is the charge status indicator, for example. In addition, the auxiliary climate control option of the plug-in hybrid enables car preheating or cooling via Porsche Car Connect; it can be programmed in the vehicle or even more conveniently via the smart phone app. A smart phone may also be used for battery management or for remote access to vehicle information such as the remaining driving range or for guiding users back to their parked vehicles. All functions that are not specific to the hybrid drive are also available as options for the other Panamera models via the Car Connect smart phone app from Porsche. 

    Long wheelbase, spacious rear seating area: Executive models with the comfort of the exclusive class
    The spatial concept of the Panamera with two full-fledged bucket seats in the rear seating area proved to be so successful that Porsche is further extending it in the new generation Gran Turismo. The new Panamera Turbo Executive and Panamera 4S Executive models – with their 15 cm longer wheelbase – offer more rear seating space and even better ride comfort. They have a very extensive range of features, and above all they offer exceptional comfort at both rear seat locations as standard. All Executive models have the innovative Panamera air suspension, which combines excellent ride comfort and typical Porsche driving properties. 

    More performance and efficiency by downsizing: new V6 biturbo engine
    Boosting of performance and efficiency is a core competency at Porsche. In developing the new Panamera, this led to an entirely new engine based on the downsizing concept: a V6 engine with three litres displacement and biturbo charging. The V6 biturbo replaces the previous 4.8-litre V8 engine in the Panamera S and Panamera 4S, and it is also used in the new Executive version of the Panamera 4S. Its basic parameters themselves are indicators of progress: 20 hp more power and 20 Newton metres more torque, but up to 18 per cent better fuel economy compared to the V8 engine in the previous model. This not only gives the driver a more powerful and efficient engine; turbocharging results in a maximum torque of 520 Newton metres being available over a very broad range of engine speeds for a superior and uniform power curve, even at low revs.

    Most Panamera models are equipped with the seven-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung PDK. The comfortable eight-speed automatic Tiptronic S operates in the Panamera Diesel and Panamera S E-Hybrid. This transmission creates optimal conditions for further development of other efficiency functions. For example, the extended start-stop function now deactivates the engine earlier while coasting to a stop, which saves more fuel. With the exception of the Panamera GTS, models with PDK also offer a coasting function in which the clutches open in overrun, the engine idles, and the vehicle coasts freely. This function can significantly improve fuel economy, especially when travelling on the motorway.

    Further developed design with a new option: LED headlights
    The further advanced exterior design of the Panamera can be made out at first glance. The tighter and more prominent linework at the front end is especially apparent in the larger air intakes and the distinctive transition to the headlights. In side profile, the new, more swept-back rear window creates an even more extended silhouette. When viewed from the back, the new generation Panamera is primarily made out by its new boot lid. The widened rear window emphasises the horizontal orientation of the Gran Turismo and therefore its sporty character. The rear section itself was also redesigned, including the wider spoiler, and it shows a tighter transition to the rear lights, similar to the visual transition of the headlights at the front of the car.

    As in previous models, the new Panamera models also offer many differentiating exterior characteristics. Further customisation is achieved by the numerous options that are offered, including the new LED headlights, which give the Gran Turismo a very special appearance. 

    The Panamera models are further upgraded by new standard features such as bi-xenon headlights, multifunction steering wheel and an automatic boot lid. In addition, an extended line-up of assistance systems is available for safety and convenience. The optimised adaptive cruise control system, for example, now actively intervenes in the braking process in hazardous situations. Camera-based traffic sign detection and lane departure warning offer greater convenience in cross-country and motorway travel. 

    The new generation of Panamera models will be launched on the market in July 2013. Prices start at 81,849 euros for the Panamera Diesel and 83,277 Euro for the Panamera. The Panamera 4 is priced at 88,513 euros, the Panamera S at 101,841 euros and the Panamera 4S at 107,196 euros. The Panamera S E-Hybrid costs 110,409 euros, which is followed by the Panamera GTS at 121,595 euros and the Panamera 4S Executive at 132,662 euros. The top models are the Panamera Turbo for 145,990 euros and the Panamera Turbo Executive for 163,364 euros. The cited prices are valid for Germany, including VAT and market-specific features. 

    At the beginning of next year, a new diesel engine with 300 hp (220 kW) will replace the current diesel, offering even more driving fun with typical diesel efficiency. Also arriving on the market in 2014 are the new Porsche Panamera Turbo S and Panamera Turbo S Executive. They represent the exclusive and sporty pinnacle of the model range. 

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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: OFFICIAL: Panamera Facelift 2013

    RC:

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     just like 981 Cayman S wheels .. simple and easy to clean!


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    RC I thought you were 100% sure that the new Panamera will have a bench instead of the 2+2 format Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: Panamera Facelift 2013

    Italo:

    RC I thought you were 100% sure that the new Panamera will have a bench instead of the 2+2 format Smiley

    Smiley The facelift does not get the third rear seat, I said this many times before. A third seat would have required a major overhaul of the interior, including some technical adaptations and this will be left for the second generation. It has been discussed but it didn't happen.

    The new Panamera is NOT the second generation, it is just a facelift. I think the Porsche press release is a little bit misleading.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: OFFICIAL: Panamera Facelift 2013

    On the current model (pre and post facelift) the drive shaft is too high to allow fitting a middle seat at the rear.

     


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    reginos:

    On the current model (pre and post facelift) the drive shaft is too high to allow fitting a middle seat at the rear.

     

    through a saddle on it and face backwardsSmiley


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    2012 991 C2S -PDK / 2010 997.2 turbo cab manual, sold / 2008 Cayenne GTS Manual /2008 RS 60 sold /04 C4S sold - 08 Cayenne Turbo PDCC sold


    Re: OFFICIAL: Panamera Facelift 2013

    There was a solution ready as far as I heard but it was way too expensive to implement.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: OFFICIAL: Panamera Facelift 2013

    Apparently, the high cost wouldn't be justified by the projected extra sales to customers requiring 5 seats.

     


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    reginos:

    Apparently, the high cost wouldn't be justified by the projected extra sales to customers requiring 5 seats.

     

    Yes and furthermore, the next generation is just too close to justify the extra cost.

    Not even sure if the next generation gets three seats in the rear but according to latest rumors, it will.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: OFFICIAL: Panamera Facelift 2013

    Pic to compare:

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    Re: OFFICIAL: Panamera Facelift 2013

    I find the standard lights of the facelift model much better looking than the optional LEDs frown


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    RC - a bit off topic (sorry) but here goes:

    I hated the Pana when it first came out (I am a 911 guy, like I am sure we all are in our heart of hearts & thats the genesis of why we love the brand). Nevertheless. given family compulsions I started to consider it since my  hauler (2004 BMW 545) needs replacement soon . The first edition Pana was understandably ugly to my eyes & during the early models the time flew by, but over time I started to appreciate the "form follows function" philosophy and now I cannot see beyond this car and feel that it is unique & beautiful for a 4 seater. 

    The facelift I like even more with its modern lights & smoother silhouette. I would buy one now but I worry that it will look very dated the day the pics of the Gen 2 are released. My question is - I read here your post here somewhere that "Pana Gen II is a mix of the Gran t concept + Audi a8." As appealing as that sounds aesthetically it also sounds boring, silhouette wise, i find the Pana Gen 1.2 very appealing in that respect. Similarly I find the new 5 BMW boring (even though it is nice i prefer the quirky design of my bangle era 5 series more appealing simply because it is edgier & more unique).

    My worry is that that in the P gen 2 will the unique silhouette get lost towards the shooting brake design or is it likely to retain that '911 w 4 doors' design? I am not interested in a "shooting brake," i need  a sports car (Porsche) with 4 doors.

    Your views most appreciated


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    SportCarGroup:

    Pic to compare:

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    the problem with the pic's released by Porsche is that i think they photo flattned the new car shots. either that or they really did flaten and change the roofline. yet i read no mention of that in the 100 page private release document to dealors

     

    from these pic's you would swear it is 25mm lower and 50 mm wider but that is rubbish - look at the spec's 15 mm longer is all i remember


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    2012 991 C2S -PDK / 2010 997.2 turbo cab manual, sold / 2008 Cayenne GTS Manual /2008 RS 60 sold /04 C4S sold - 08 Cayenne Turbo PDCC sold


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    as i look at them again, i think the buggers took the shots from diiferent distances as well.


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    2012 991 C2S -PDK / 2010 997.2 turbo cab manual, sold / 2008 Cayenne GTS Manual /2008 RS 60 sold /04 C4S sold - 08 Cayenne Turbo PDCC sold


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    It's the angle - the new one is shot from more below and the old one from more above. This makes the "new" car more flat.

    btw... changing the bumper is a small and inexpensive step! Wait couple of months and you can catch bumpers on ebay for 200 bucks.... repaint and that's it!


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    Lars997:

    It's the angle - the new one is shot from more below and the old one from more above. This makes the "new" car more flat.

    btw... changing the bumper is a small and inexpensive step! Wait couple of months and you can catch bumpers on ebay for 200 bucks.... repaint and that's it!

    The new bumper won't fit "old" cars with the old front lights. Not sure if the new front lights would fit the "old" car either.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: OFFICIAL: Panamera Facelift 2013

    RC:
    Lars997:

    It's the angle - the new one is shot from more below and the old one from more above. This makes the "new" car more flat.

    btw... changing the bumper is a small and inexpensive step! Wait couple of months and you can catch bumpers on ebay for 200 bucks.... repaint and that's it!

    The new bumper won't fit "old" cars with the old front lights. Not sure if the new front lights would fit the "old" car either.

    The new front and rear lights are different from the old model and cannot be fitted on the old model.


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    Rear window is a bit wider according to the official press release, which helps to flatten the appearance from the rear.  Also, spoiler is wider, which may also alter the bodywork under the rear window.  Finally, supposedly the roof line is more swept back, which may affect the side view.  

    I need to see the actual car before I pass judgment.  Sometimes minor changes can have a major effect...


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    SportCarGroup:


    Pic to compare:



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    The FL looks cleaner and cooler in a unapproachable way. But can't help me I like the "old" Turbolook much more...
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    but these pictures are doctored - they have made it look lower and wider , they changed the lighting and the placement-you cannot in fairness compare them --------- Porsche should be reemed for this bs.

     do the same photo shop on the non FL car and the differences will be a much harder sell.


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    2012 991 C2S -PDK / 2010 997.2 turbo cab manual, sold / 2008 Cayenne GTS Manual /2008 RS 60 sold /04 C4S sold - 08 Cayenne Turbo PDCC sold


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    Speaking of the Panamera: I was at my Porsche dealer this weekend, had the winter wheels exchanged with the summer wheels. There were five(!) 997 Turbo S at the dealer and now guess what, all drivers were in their 60s. Then I met my daughter's former ballet teacher and her husband and they thought I still have my 997 Carrera GTS Cab. When I told them that I have a Panamera now, she told me that this is a very elegant car. Elegant...the word my wife used last weekend too when I had a look at the Shelby GT 500 ("the Panamera looks much more elegant...").

    To understand why I tell you this: I hate elegant on a car. For me this word is an insult. I want a sporty looking car, not an elegant car.

    Bottom line is: I miss a 911. A lot. The Panamera just isn't me, it contradicts everything I believe in. As a family car, the trunk is way too small. As a sports car, it does everything right but it is boring. From an emotional point of view, it doesn't really excite me, something is missing. Don't get me wrong: I love the Panamera Turbo S for it's interior, the handling, the power and even how it looks but this car just isn't me, I can see myself in this car in 20 years or so but not now.

    The Cayenne is a completely different story: This car is a wonderful winter car, a wonderful bad weather car, a wonderful family travel car and it is comfortable and fast enough as a daily driver.

    So I came to the conclusion that the perfect combo for me would be a Cayenne Turbo S and a 991 Turbo, maybe even a 991 GT3. Now I am stuck with the Panamera Turbo S for another three years, which is not very satisfying for a Porsche nut like me. I thought that the Panamera could replace the Cayenne and the 911 but Porsche did their job too well. Neither the Cayenne nor the Panamera can replace the 911 or vice versa, all three models are just too different.

    Of course I could easily get rid of the Panamera if I would accept to take a financial hit but so far, I profited from some pretty awesome lease offers and I really don't want to spend that much (more) money on cars.

    So please think twice before getting the Panamera because this car is way too perfect (as weird as this may sound). 

    I kind of felt stupid that I am driving a Panamera Turbo S at my age (48) and all these 997 Turbo S drivers were in their 60s. Yes, they probably don't have small(er) kids anymore and don't need the extra trunk space but still...after driving a 911 for the past 15 years or so, 2013 is the first year without a 911. I am sad.

    Speaking of being sad: My wife was in a similar situation yesterday. She went to her BMW dealer to have the wheels exchanged on her X3 and there was that beautiful M6 Cabriolet sitting on the dealer's floor. The dealer immediately made her an amazing lease offer I would have taken if I didn't have the PTS (not sure how well the M6 Cab sells... Smiley) but since we have two kids and she needs a good winter car too, it was out of the question. For a moment though, my wife felt so good (her words) that she almost signed the lease contract. Smiley She misses her Boxster a lot, her favorite open top car...black/black with red stitching...her favorite combo.

    In the end, me and my wife decided that in two to three years, when our leases run out, we are going to adapt our car choices much more to our desires than to our needs. Of course we still need to keep the kids in mind but maybe we had the perfect solution a couple of years ago without actually realizing it: We had a Cayenne Turbo S, the 997 Turbo and a Boxster S. When my wife drove the Cayenne, I was driving the Boxster (nobody at my business really cared about the Boxster) and vice versa. The 997 Turbo was my weekend fun car, more of a garage queen most of the time but the car was there, waiting. The perfect combo.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


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    The Panamera competes against S-Class, BMW 7 and Audi A8.... luxury Sedan. All said! I know the perfection of my 7 - the car handles great, you drive 260 km/h and it feels like 150 in the 997. Dynamic drive system is controlling the body roll - so you can go with 200km/h into Autobahn exits and you will leave the same corner with 140 km/h.... not feeling unsafe any second!

    BUT - this is exactly the feeling I got on a test-weekend in the 991. The car is way too perfect.... you have to go very fast to feel the limit and at the end the added speed makes it so much more dangerous compared to the 997, especially as you don't feel neither the speed nor the limit. Also - there are not many occasions you can drive that crazy - I absolutely prefered the fun in the 997 over a 991 - as stupid as it sounds! Its just more fun.

    By the way - The SUVs are carrying the "Sport" in the name! The proportions of a SUV is like a huge cart. The relation between wide and lenght are apprx. comparable - makes the car handy, sticky, fun to drive!

    I guess best for fun is a 997 GT3... get one of those babies and keep it until you are old!

     


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    "The Cayenne is a completely different story: This car is a wonderful winter car, a wonderful bad weather car, a wonderful family travel car and it is comfortable and fast enough as a daily driver."

    How do any of those things not apply to the PTS? If the trunk isn't big enough put a thule on top.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: Panamera Facelift 2013

    "Man's greatest fault is his fickleness".  True for all of us.  And I bet in three years you will have even a different "perfect combo"  Ain't life grand? Smiley


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    RC, seems like each time I broaden my horizon relative to cars I end up back wanting a 911.  Thanks for reminding me of how much fun I am about to have with my 997 Turbo. 

    Wow, we are in agreement again... the 911 is what we all really want.

    Heading to Florida tomorrow AFTER work.  Another epic drive there and then back. 

    Sorry to hear about the constraints of the lease.  Hang in there until the GT3 or 991 Turbo are available.


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    Mithras:

    "The Cayenne is a completely different story: This car is a wonderful winter car, a wonderful bad weather car, a wonderful family travel car and it is comfortable and fast enough as a daily driver."

    How do any of those things not apply to the PTS? If the trunk isn't big enough put a thule on top.

    1. I hate roof transport systems ( and my wife would rather kill herself than using one Smiley). They limit the speed, they get dirty (you should have seen one guy getting his stuff out of it when he arrived...), they change the handling behavior, no thanks).

    2. Ground clearance is not good enough with the PTS, especially if you drive in deep snow. Good for tourist regions who clean up the snow well, not so good for high mountain areas.

    3. Kids love the higher seating position, so does my wife.

    Not really comparable, trust me...I drive both almost on a daily basis.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


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    Wonderbar:

    "Man's greatest fault is his fickleness".  True for all of us.  And I bet in three years you will have even a different "perfect combo"  Ain't life grand? Smiley

    Nope. My mistake was to listen to...my wife. She had very good arguments though but I should have listened to my guts. History repeats itself, best combo is Cayenne Turbo S and some sort of 911 model. Then maybe add a Boxster or even a 911 Cab and everything is perfect. I know it now and will adjust my future car purchases accordingly. Smiley

    I was never a sedan type of guy, always loved sports cars and powerful SUVs. Sold my E63 AMG after only 6 months. This should have been a lesson, I thought a Porsche would be different.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


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    Leawood911:

    RC, seems like each time I broaden my horizon relative to cars I end up back wanting a 911.  Thanks for reminding me of how much fun I am about to have with my 997 Turbo. 

    Wow, we are in agreement again... the 911 is what we all really want.

    Heading to Florida tomorrow AFTER work.  Another epic drive there and then back. 

    Sorry to hear about the constraints of the lease.  Hang in there until the GT3 or 991 Turbo are available.

    911? Yes. 997? Not anymore. Smiley

    @Lars: I drove a 991 and yes, the regular 991 (no PDK, no sport exhaust, no sport chassis, no sport chrono) isn't really my cup of tea. With all the performance options and PDK however, I actually like the 991 a lot. I would probably go for the GT3 though or maybe the 991 Turbo if Porsche finally offers a better exhaust note. There have been rumors that Porsche finally "got the message" but I won't order a 991 Turbo blindly, so I have to wait until I hear one. Smiley


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    RC:
    Mithras:

    "The Cayenne is a completely different story: This car is a wonderful winter car, a wonderful bad weather car, a wonderful family travel car and it is comfortable and fast enough as a daily driver."

    How do any of those things not apply to the PTS? If the trunk isn't big enough put a thule on top.

    1. I hate roof transport systems ( and my wife would rather kill herself than using one Smiley). They limit the speed, they get dirty (you should have seen one guy getting his stuff out of it when he arrived...), they change the handling behavior, no thanks).

    2. Ground clearance is not good enough with the PTS, especially if you drive in deep snow. Good for tourist regions who clean up the snow well, not so good for high mountain areas.

    3. Kids love the higher seating position, so does my wife.

    Not really comparable, trust me...I drive both almost on a daily basis.

     

    I agree with you that once you get used to nice SUVs sedans aren’t high enough or big enough. After 5 Range Rovers in a row I got an e500 wagon with my wife. It’s nice and suits our needs right now (and incidentally is more than fine in 12+in of fresh snow with good tires) but the replacement will be an SUV (GL diesel more than likely). The difference between a Cayenne and our wagon in size just isn’t enough to justify it. We’d fill it up with 2 baby seats and luggage just as easily as the wagon. You’d just sit 6 inches higher…


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    as all the journalists and testors say the GTS is THE Panamera if you are trying to get the sport out of the sport sedan. it isn't the fastest, but it is the most fun.


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