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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Leather frunk? Jeez. I don't think that there are any beige cows left after this build.


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    spudgun:

    Leather frunk? Jeez. I don't think that there are any beige cows left after this build.

    Leather frunk can be done by exclusiv for a bargain; $12k


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    crayphile:
    Josef:

    This is just nonsense in my view. The beige leather on a GT2 RS does not make sense. The dashboard is way too bright, there will be a lot of reflections in the windscreen. The owner must be someone who has his own money printing machine...

    I agree. All. this leather is the complete antithesis of what the GT2RS is about. More money than sense as usual. Now a Manthey makeover that makes complete sense and fits with the purpose of the car. I have seen the car in person and SmileySmiley.

    Can you elaborate what's wrong with the car when seen in person?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    crayphile:
    Josef:

    This is just nonsense in my view. The beige leather on a GT2 RS does not make sense. The dashboard is way too bright, there will be a lot of reflections in the windscreen. The owner must be someone who has his own money printing machine...

    I agree. All. this leather is the complete antithesis of what the GT2RS is about. More money than sense as usual. Now a Manthey makeover that makes complete sense and fits with the purpose of the car. I have seen the car in person and SmileySmiley.

    Agreed. Why bother to get a GT2 RS then? Smiley

    I was actually thinking about ripping everything (dampening material, carpet, etc.) out of my Performante, just to make it lighter but in the end, this would save me only around 15 kg (talked to a specialist), not worth it. Car is already almost naked Smiley and I do not want to get rid of the entertainment system or the A/C (not even really possible).

    Why would someone make the GT2 RS heavier and why would it look like a Bentley in the interior? Smiley Smiley


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    RC:

    Agreed. Why bother to get a GT2 RS then? Smiley

    I was actually thinking about ripping everything (dampening material, carpet, etc.) out of my Performante, just to make it lighter but in the end, this would save me only around 15 kg (talked to a specialist), not worth it. Car is already almost naked Smiley and I do not want to get rid of the entertainment system or the A/C (not even really possible).

    Why would someone make the GT2 RS heavier and why would it look like a Bentley in the interior? Smiley Smiley

    the AC system alone is about 15kg Smiley

    removing all the carpet and insulation from the car would be an additional 15-20kg if not more.

    Entertainment system is similar to Audi crap and about 10kg of rubbish.

    removing all the goodies can save you about 70-80kg easily. look at the unsprung mass if you want to have some real fun, springs in titanium, roll bars in carbon fibers, wheels in magnesium and that bloody front wheel drive system Smiley

    I can continue like this but your pocket will be empty.Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Porker:
    Can you elaborate what's wrong with the car when seen in person?

    @Porker-  come on, you know what's wrong. What is the point of a filling a light weight track car with leather Smiley.


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    the-missile:
    RC:

    Agreed. Why bother to get a GT2 RS then? Smiley

    I was actually thinking about ripping everything (dampening material, carpet, etc.) out of my Performante, just to make it lighter but in the end, this would save me only around 15 kg (talked to a specialist), not worth it. Car is already almost naked Smiley and I do not want to get rid of the entertainment system or the A/C (not even really possible).

    Why would someone make the GT2 RS heavier and why would it look like a Bentley in the interior? Smiley Smiley

    the AC system alone is about 15kg Smiley

    Is my English really that bad? Smiley Smiley

    removing all the carpet and insulation from the car would be an additional 15-20kg if not more.

    15 kg. Precisely. Talked to a specialist from the factory who did that before.

    Entertainment system is similar to Audi crap and about 10kg of rubbish.

    Read above and understand the word notSmiley

    removing all the goodies can save you about 70-80kg easily. look at the unsprung mass if you want to have some real fun, springs in titanium, roll bars in carbon fibers, wheels in magnesium and that bloody front wheel drive system Smiley

    I can continue like this but your pocket will be empty.Smiley

    15 kg for the insulation/carpet. Everything else is not really removable or I don't want to.

    Of course there are possibilities to switch the front hood for a carbon one, even lighter side windows are possible, carbon doors (without the protection from the current ones), probably saving another 25 kg for 20k EUR. Smiley Not worth it. For this kind of money, I can do a professional refresh driver's training, probably more productive than saving 25 kg. Smiley 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    crayphile:
    Porker:
    Can you elaborate what's wrong with the car when seen in person?

    @Porker-  come on, you know what's wrong. What is the point of a filling a light weight track car with leather Smiley.

    For the same reason someone did this. If it's not going to be used on the track, what's wrong with not making it more luxurious? The vast majority of GT3RS, GT2RS, Performante, Pista, SV etc. etc. see next to no track time and a lot of the ones that do see track time I bet are never truly pushed. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Mithras:
     

    For the same reason someone did this. If it's not going to be used on the track, what's wrong with not making it more luxurious? The vast majority of GT3RS, GT2RS, Performante, Pista, SV etc. etc. see next to no track time and a lot of the ones that do see track time I bet are never truly pushed. 

    Agreed on the track time point. However, as you know each car has a design/ purpose/ use synergy and leather violates that equilibrium in this instance. This is even more important with a top of the tree performance car like a GT2RS. Would you put leather in your 2.7RS (471) if you were fortunate enough to own one ? I wouldn't Smiley.


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    Interesting conversation developing here ... puts a smile on my face ...

    I can say that according to my trusted local dealer, with my Cayman GTS, I am one of max a handful of people driving the car in a "sporty manner", ie. also on a track ... In general, if one asks for a build slot for whatever new GT3 / RS / GT2 whatever, these will all be taken by the usual subjects at my local dealer, obviously these seem to be people who simply have their fun to drive an expensive road legal race car back and forth to work or for a bit of fun on a sunny sunday. Taken any race activities out of the discussion I think that the conversion looks absolutely stunning !! I guess if it had been possible the proud owner of the car would even have swapped the bucket seats with sport seats ... 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Not a GT2, but this is a pretty sweet modification for those who don't like the wing. Credit to Pierson Alexander for the photo.

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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    crayphile:
    Mithras:
     

    For the same reason someone did this. If it's not going to be used on the track, what's wrong with not making it more luxurious? The vast majority of GT3RS, GT2RS, Performante, Pista, SV etc. etc. see next to no track time and a lot of the ones that do see track time I bet are never truly pushed. 

    Agreed on the track time point. However, as you know each car has a design/ purpose/ use synergy and leather violates that equilibrium in this instance. This is even more important with a top of the tree performance car like a GT2RS. Would you put leather in your 2.7RS (471) if you were fortunate enough to own one ? I wouldn't Smiley.

    No, I'd drive a Singer like you! Smiley

    Quite honestly I"ve gone through the whole thing the other way around, making a car more and more track worthy until it was a racecar. It sucked, never as good as it could be on the track and increasingly bad on the street. Now if I want to track a car I"ll trailer it there and have a proper track car (which will be faster than the GT2RS anyways for less money) and if I want to be on the street I'd prefer to drive something that I don't fall out of, legs shaking, exhausted in a pool of sweat. If I want to "canyon carve" (not that there are any around me, but you get the drift) I"d rather do it in something more visceral and quite honestly slower as I don't enjoy fines or jails. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    JoeRockhead:

    Not a GT2, but this is a pretty sweet modification for those who don't like the wing. Credit to Pierson Alexander for the photo.

     

    well if you don't like the wing, what's the purpose of buying a GT Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    To get the steak without the sizzle. Smiley


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    I can appreciate the beauty of the customization work but have to agree that it kind of goes against the core principle of the GT2RS. If something like this was done on a GT3 Touring then IMO would be a much better fit. 


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    So, a GT3RS Touring has been born! indecision


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    It;s a epic customization - I have to laugh reading about "lightweight comments" . None of us is making money by being the fastest or having the lightest - if tracking at all (not me) - hence its absolutely legit. to have a one-of-one for a bargain price compared to some paying "hypercar money" just to brag about what theoretically the car can do. Anybody having seen Lars Kern driving the Manthey should realize that 99% of all drivers will not be able to follow a professional with hundreds of kgs lighter nor more hp....

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    spudgun:

    Leather frunk? Jeez. I don't think that there are any beige cows left after this build.


    Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Enmanuel:

    I can appreciate the beauty of the customization work but have to agree that it kind of goes against the core principle of the GT2RS. If something like this was done on a GT3 Touring then IMO would be a much better fit. 


    This sums it up perfectly. Smiley

    Fantastic work and the car does look good, but it's simply the wrong car for such action. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    crayphile:
    Porker:
    Can you elaborate what's wrong with the car when seen in person?

    @Porker-  come on, you know what's wrong. What is the point of a filling a light weight track car with leather Smiley.

    No I thought you were implying fit/finish would be bad...

    I don't mind the approach to much on a GT2 RS, it's not a light car to begin with, and what does the leather treatment add, 30kg maybe? You'd need to be quite the pro to notice that. And where a GT2 does fall short at its price level is exactly where this one has been treated, its interior. It's a well appointed interior for a EUR150k max, it is bland and generic for a EUR300k car, that is just a fact.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    BjoernB:

    It;s a epic customization - I have to laugh reading about "lightweight comments" . None of us is making money by being the fastest or having the lightest - if tracking at all (not me) - hence its absolutely legit. to have a one-of-one for a bargain price compared to some paying "hypercar money" just to brag about what theoretically the car can do. Anybody having seen Lars Kern driving the Manthey should realize that 99% of all drivers will not be able to follow a professional with hundreds of kgs lighter nor more hp....

    This is why I said that people should better put their money into driver training than ridiculous weight reductions or whatever but I still agree with many here that the GT2 RS is the wrong car for a Bentley make-over. This is like dressing a fitness beauty in an elegant business attire. Smiley 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    BjoernB:

    It;s a epic customization - I have to laugh reading about "lightweight comments" . None of us is making money by being the fastest or having the lightest - if tracking at all (not me) - hence its absolutely legit. to have a one-of-one for a bargain price compared to some paying "hypercar money" just to brag about what theoretically the car can do. Anybody having seen Lars Kern driving the Manthey should realize that 99% of all drivers will not be able to follow a professional with hundreds of kgs lighter nor more hp....

     

    It’s not the weight of the leather itself, it’s, how Cray so beautifully stated, against the car’s equilibrium. A car with a huge wing and Cup tires, with the according road manners, with a very plush interior... looks a bit odd to me.

     


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    RC:
    BjoernB:

    It;s a epic customization - I have to laugh reading about "lightweight comments" . None of us is making money by being the fastest or having the lightest - if tracking at all (not me) - hence its absolutely legit. to have a one-of-one for a bargain price compared to some paying "hypercar money" just to brag about what theoretically the car can do. Anybody having seen Lars Kern driving the Manthey should realize that 99% of all drivers will not be able to follow a professional with hundreds of kgs lighter nor more hp....

    This is why I said that people should better put their money into driver training than ridiculous weight reductions or whatever but I still agree with many here that the GT2 RS is the wrong car for a Bentley make-over. This is like dressing a fitness beauty in an elegant business attire. Smiley 


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    BTW the best GT2 RS scheme was the introduction car i.e. GT SIlver with champagne coloured  wheels and Black/red interior.. Very Porsche.


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    Ferdie:
    BjoernB:

    It;s a epic customization - I have to laugh reading about "lightweight comments" . None of us is making money by being the fastest or having the lightest - if tracking at all (not me) - hence its absolutely legit. to have a one-of-one for a bargain price compared to some paying "hypercar money" just to brag about what theoretically the car can do. Anybody having seen Lars Kern driving the Manthey should realize that 99% of all drivers will not be able to follow a professional with hundreds of kgs lighter nor more hp....

     

    It’s not the weight of the leather itself, it’s, how Cray so beautifully stated, against the car’s equilibrium. A car with a huge wing and Cup tires, with the according road manners, with a very plush interior... looks a bit odd to me.

     

    well then a Pista spyder has a rubbish equilibrium and so are many other examples of carbon-bodied and specced luxury sportscars. So is anybody on cup 2 tires on normal roads ?  unless you have a stripped out race-car really attacking times in the same regulated class it's purely a big ego discussion.... - but I get it - to some it's a slower car because heavier Smiley


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    BjoernB:
    well then a Pista spyder has a rubbish equilibrium and so are many other examples of carbon-bodied and specced luxury sportscars. So is anybody on cup 2 tires on normal roads ?  unless you have a stripped out race-car really attacking times in the same regulated class it's purely a big ego discussion.... - but I get it - to some it's a slower car because heavier Smiley

    No leather in my incoming Pista Spider Smiley.


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    crayphile:
    BjoernB:
    well then a Pista spyder has a rubbish equilibrium and so are many other examples of carbon-bodied and specced luxury sportscars. So is anybody on cup 2 tires on normal roads ?  unless you have a stripped out race-car really attacking times in the same regulated class it's purely a big ego discussion.... - but I get it - to some it's a slower car because heavier Smiley

    No leather in my incoming Pista Spider Smiley.

    You must be joking.Smiley 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    crayphile:
    BjoernB:
    well then a Pista spyder has a rubbish equilibrium and so are many other examples of carbon-bodied and specced luxury sportscars. So is anybody on cup 2 tires on normal roads ?  unless you have a stripped out race-car really attacking times in the same regulated class it's purely a big ego discussion.... - but I get it - to some it's a slower car because heavier Smiley

    No leather in my incoming Pista Spider Smiley.

    100% alcantara Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    Ferdie:

    It’s not the weight of the leather itself, it’s, how Cray so beautifully stated, against the car’s equilibrium. A car with a huge wing and Cup tires, with the according road manners, with a very plush interior... looks a bit odd to me.

     

    it can be leather all the place, just being bold! it is an RS Smiley bordello red is pretty in your face and that's ok.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    crayphile:
    BjoernB:
    well then a Pista spyder has a rubbish equilibrium and so are many other examples of carbon-bodied and specced luxury sportscars. So is anybody on cup 2 tires on normal roads ?  unless you have a stripped out race-car really attacking times in the same regulated class it's purely a big ego discussion.... - but I get it - to some it's a slower car because heavier Smiley

    No leather in my incoming Pista Spider Smiley.

    Looking forward to the track pics open top (just to lower the center of gravity of course) Smiley

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017)

    the-missile:
    crayphile:
    BjoernB:
    well then a Pista spyder has a rubbish equilibrium and so are many other examples of carbon-bodied and specced luxury sportscars. So is anybody on cup 2 tires on normal roads ?  unless you have a stripped out race-car really attacking times in the same regulated class it's purely a big ego discussion.... - but I get it - to some it's a slower car because heavier Smiley

    No leather in my incoming Pista Spider Smiley.

    100% alcantara Smiley

    Smiley My Performante would look like crap inside with leather. Smiley Smiley


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