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    Decisions decisions

    I'm finally getting close to pulling the trigger on buying a Porsche after selling my boxster a couple days back. 

    i was going to the local dealer 90% sure I would be buying a new 991 S...

    sitting on the lot was a 1994 993 cab...Carreras red, black leather, 15k miles, crazy clean, crazy price 

    the night and day comparison could not be more stark...

    the 993 small, nimble a very visceral physical car

    the 991 is mighty fast, very polished, no less precise but not nearly as involving at modest speed..

    I'm now working out of my home office so I don't need a daily driver. 

    Good sort of decision to have.   Any thoughts?


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    Well I'm sure you'll hear a lot of encouragement to buy the 991, but after I bought my 997S I was missing the "involvement" at moderate speeds that you described above. If you aren't sold completely on the 991, I would consider the 993 if I were you. It's a great little car that's a blast to drive and it will hold its value if you decide to sell it in a year or two and pick up a clean pre-owned 991S at a decent price. Just my $0.02.


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    agree with playing with the 993 for a little while without losing much money, there will be plenty of time to buy 991 later.


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    Tim

    2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe #13;  2011 Panamera 4


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    +1 kiss


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    +2 very well said. Try the 993, it's a great car if you don't need to drive long stretches or use it as a dd.  I bought my ex-993 at an official dealer with a 3 month warranty. I was very lucky with that, because I did have a few problems that were fixed within that period. This had to do, mainly, with the fact that the car wasn't driven a lot the two years before I bought it. After that no issues and I enjoyed the car for 3-4 years and then sold it with a very small profit. blush


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    2012 Cayenne S White/Espresso 

    Ex: 993 Targa, 986S, 986 and 964 C2


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    I'm in the same boat and don't want a 991/981.  993 prices are going up in the UK so its is on my shortlist to replace the Cayman when the time comes. 


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    Gen II Cayman S


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    Not sure I'd go for 993 cab. C2 S coupe maybe as 3rd car with a view to minimal depreciation or maybe a 993 Turbo - these are visceral - 993 cab is not quite in same league. (especially if it's tiptronic)


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    991 (what a car!) XC90 - Black/Black 2 kids, 1 dog


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    Go for it , it`s a different driving experience compared to the modern 911s. Fun is a very subjective experience however I drove mine about 9,000 kms this year (and about 3,000 with my 997) .The 993 is the one I tend to enjoy more.  Just to make it clear I like modern Porsches and will be buying a 991 GT3 (when Porsche will build it to my specs).

    Few recommendations:   avoid tiptronic  (it removes quite a lot of involvement);  from model year 95' the power output increases to 285 hp from 272 thanks to the Varioram variable intake and this makes the response of the engine more sporty (imho). It also adds a nice engine growl after 4.5 K Rpm. The 993 engine is probably the most bullet proof air-cooled engine (on rennlist you have instances of 993 running at 200-300,000 miles without engine rebuild)  but needs to be maintained properly so provenance and service documentation is essential. Low miles are not necessarily an indicator of a car in top shape.  Post pictures if you buy it kiss

    Here is my 993 4S (with my former 72' 911 2.4 S)

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    911 Club Coupe, 993 4S Riviera Blau, 12' Audi S4 Avant


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    I have to second that

    avoid tiptronic

    It removes much of the fun a 993 can make.

    If you dont want a manual car, go for 997/991 PDK, but if you like to drive a manual car and if dont need the power/performance of a modern 911 go for that 993.


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    The hunt continues.  Decided I prefer the coupe.  To me until the 991, the cabs just look a bit odd.... Looking at a wide body coupe tomorrow.


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    cookieguy:

    I'm finally getting close to pulling the trigger on buying a Porsche after selling my boxster a couple days back. 

    i was going to the local dealer 90% sure I would be buying a new 991 S...

    sitting on the lot was a 1994 993 cab...Carreras red, black leather, 15k miles, crazy clean, crazy price 

    the night and day comparison could not be more stark...

    the 993 small, nimble a very visceral physical car

    the 991 is mighty fast, very polished, no less precise but not nearly as involving at modest speed..

    I'm now working out of my home office so I don't need a daily driver. 

    Good sort of decision to have.   Any thoughts?

    Here's the thing (and PLEASE try to understand what I am saying):

    My first Porsche was a 993 Targa. Not that I really wanted it, I was actually trying to buy a Boxster but since the Boxster was brand-new at that time and had a 12 months delivery time, I chose the nice 993 Targa in my dealer's showroom instead, for a very nice price. I made that decision without taking a test-drive, "what for" did I tell myself, the 911 is the 911, the best sports car in the world. HUGE MISTAKE. I had a BMW M3 E36 before, a very nice and refined sports coupe with lots of power. When I switched from the M3 to the 993, I had the feeling like switching from a Mercedes to a Volkswagen Beetle. Literally. The 993 felt heavy(!), unrefined, it required lots of pedal force (brake, clutch and even throttle) and overall, the car felt just horrible. It was a difference like day and night. When I got a new 996 Carrera after a year, I was sooooo happy to leave the 993 behind.

    So before you go for a 993, just make sure you test-drive it first. If you have the choice, go for the 991. The 993 is fun to drive but at some point, it will get annoying. Unless you really WANT to have that "special" drive feel I never really liked about the 993. 

    The choice is yours. Smiley

    Btw: I agree with the others. The 993 Tiptronic sucks. Don't do it.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)


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    Really appreciate the perspective in the manner it was intended. I took a long test drive a couple weeks back and will get up in the mountains on the coupe this weekend. My GUESS is that I will drive the 993 a 991 a few years down the road. Maybe after the refresh comes out. For some reason the rough and tumble of the 993 appeals to me. 


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    Decided to go with the 993 s. A few minor things to fix. Delivery within a couple weeks. Photos to follow. 


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    Congrats to your decision. I owned 2 993 and I had a lot of fun at this time. 

    Don't know  if  I would have done the same decision nowadays but I wish you all the best and a happy feeling while driving with the car.


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    Kind regards, Conny 



    Porsche 997.2 Turbo S  *  BMW Grand Coupe 650i xDrive


     

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    RC:
    cookieguy:

    I'm finally getting close to pulling the trigger on buying a Porsche after selling my boxster a couple days back. 

    i was going to the local dealer 90% sure I would be buying a new 991 S...

    sitting on the lot was a 1994 993 cab...Carreras red, black leather, 15k miles, crazy clean, crazy price 

    the night and day comparison could not be more stark...

    the 993 small, nimble a very visceral physical car

    the 991 is mighty fast, very polished, no less precise but not nearly as involving at modest speed..

    I'm now working out of my home office so I don't need a daily driver. 

    Good sort of decision to have.   Any thoughts?

    Here's the thing (and PLEASE try to understand what I am saying):

    My first Porsche was a 993 Targa. Not that I really wanted it, I was actually trying to buy a Boxster but since the Boxster was brand-new at that time and had a 12 months delivery time, I chose the nice 993 Targa in my dealer's showroom instead, for a very nice price. I made that decision without taking a test-drive, "what for" did I tell myself, the 911 is the 911, the best sports car in the world. HUGE MISTAKE. I had a BMW M3 E36 before, a very nice and refined sports coupe with lots of power. When I switched from the M3 to the 993, I had the feeling like switching from a Mercedes to a Volkswagen Beetle. Literally. The 993 felt heavy(!), unrefined, it required lots of pedal force (brake, clutch and even throttle) and overall, the car felt just horrible. It was a difference like day and night. When I got a new 996 Carrera after a year, I was sooooo happy to leave the 993 behind.

     

    i was looking at a 993 this summer and finally arranged a test drive with a car that was really  in great shape. i was as amazed as you say above regarding that pedal force. i realize it was a 18 years old, but those mechanicals seemed much older. anyway, it was enough for me to sit back and say wait on the deal.

     


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    2013 Lotus Evora S/ 2008 Cayenne GTS Manual

    2012 991 C2S -PDK / 2010 997.2 turbo cab manual, sold //2008 RS 60 sold /04 C4S sold - 08 Cayenne Turbo PDCC sold


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    Conny997:

    Congrats to your decision. I owned 2 993 and I had a lot of fun at this time. 

    Don't know  if  I would have done the same decision nowadays but I wish you all the best and a happy feeling while driving with the car.

    This is your diplomatic way of saying don't do it?  Smiley Smiley

    I would always want to own a 993 Carrera too if I could afford it (to own several sportscars) but as a single sportscar for weekend fun? No way. I would rather get a used 997.1 GT3, which provides tons of more fun for probably similar money ("good" 993 became quite expensive over here in Germany).

    Unless someone is into "classic" cars and doesn't really like modern technology, I would stay away from the 993.

    From a classic 911 driver point of view, I would get a 964 RS (rare) or a 911 2.7 RS (every more rare...and expensive). Also nice: The 911 Turbo 3.3 (930)...not that it is much cheaper.

    Coming from a Boxster (thread starter), the 993 will suck sooner or later. 

    If this is about money, why not get a 997.2 Carrera S instead? There are some nice cars available out there, especially the Carrera GTS comes to my mind.

    The 993 is a fine Porsche but I don't quite get the logic behind getting one instead of a 991. Unless of course someone is specifically into older (classic) cars, this would be the only reason (and excuse).


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)


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    I love my 993 due to its usability, driving engagement even at moderate/low speeds and last but not least looks. However if I had to have only one 911  that I could drive and travel 12 months a year , that would probably be a  991 .

    I owned for few years an F model (72' 2.4 S) and while great fun on the alpine passes, not fun at all on the highways (which I needed to get to the alpine passes). Vintage 911s require a certain degree of adaptation, the older they are the higher the adaption needed . The 993 is a good compromise in this respect.

     


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    911 Club Coupe, 993 4S Riviera Blau, 12' Audi S4 Avant


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    I just can't live with the 993 interior. Way too outdated for a car of that period.


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    I could live with the interior. I could even live with the lack of comfort. What I hated eventually, in my 993 were the incessant rattles in headlining, seats, dash, doors, and lower console. Drove me nuts!

    One thing I do miss - only really in cold weather - the door window surround. The water cooled cars can freeze the doors to the window rubbers and cause the window not to drop on unlock. Whilst you can still open the door, they take a while to shut properly. 


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    991 (what a car!) XC90 - Black/Black 2 kids, 1 dog


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    SciFrog:

    I just can't live with the 993 interior. Way too outdated for a car of that period.

    The 993 interior is a classic, the 996 for example is outdated. I had a Becker Navigation installed in my 993 plus some decent speakers with it. Still looked original, but I had good sound, handsfree phone via bluetooth and a good navigation with voice guidance.


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    2012 Cayenne S White/Espresso 

    Ex: 993 Targa, 986S, 986 and 964 C2


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    Indeed, the 993 is classic and looks great (actually almost all classic 911 interiors, especially the speedo cluster, look great...timeless) but the 996 speedo cluster is really boring and dull. It got much better with the 997 and the 991 is also pretty good but I am still hoping for something for special along the way for the next generation.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2013)


     
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