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    Re: 992 GT3

    neunelf:

    Does the RS belong in this thread? smiley

    https://www.motor1.com/news/495857/porsche-911-gt3rs-spy-photos/

    That's the car for those of us who think the 992 GT3 is too subtle, restrained, and tasteful Smiley


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    Re: 992 GT3

    …who need a picknick table for 4 rather then 2 


    Re: 992 GT3

    Grant:
    That's the car for those of us who think the 992 GT3 is too subtle, restrained, and tasteful Smiley

     

    Funny that it is not centerlocks at the front...


    Re: 992 GT3

    Kobalt:
    Grant:
    That's the car for those of us who think the 992 GT3 is too subtle, restrained, and tasteful Smiley

     

    Funny that it is not centerlocks at the front...

    Good eyes - I missed that.  Probably they didn't have the correct size (must be wide) in centerlock yet.


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    Re: 992 GT3

    One question regarding winter tires for those using the GT3 (Touring?) in winter as well .... buy a second set of rims is 10k EUR or even more ....  changing the tires from summer to winter on one set of rims could damage the tires .... or is the wire wear so high that you need new tires on each summer and each winter anyway?

     

    .... how do you manage the winter tire question on a GT3? .... and please no comments on the reasonableness to drive a GT3 during winter ... winter here in south of Germany is mostly mild ;-)

     


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    Re: 992 GT3

    You do not need to buy a new set of tyres because you have put them on and taken them off. 

    EG, take the winters off, store them, then put them back on the following winter.

    I run Cup 2 summers throughout the year.


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    Re: 992 GT3

    If not tracked I would use the Michelin Pilot Sport  4S  all year long. 

    It is better suited then a cup to drive on public roads as no need to be warm . Better when rain. Good enough in winter when no snow. And way enough grip in summer for driving on speed limited roads. 


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    Re: 992 GT3

    throt:

    EG, take the winters off, store them, then put them back on the following winter.

     

    ... my Porsche dealer told me that officially they don't offer this service to use tires once again ... to much damage on the tires. He told me that I should look for 3rd party tire dealer Smiley

    ... but with central lock system I have some concerns ...

     


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    Re: 992 GT3

    Gnil:

    If not tracked I would use the Michelin Pilot Sport  4S  all year long. It is better suited then a cup to drive on public roads as no need to be warm . Better when rain. Good enough in winter when no snow. And way enough grip in summer for driving on speed limited roads.

     

    .... good idea ... no winter tires at all ... hmmm ... grows on me .... deal!

    (at least here in Germany winter tires are not mandatory during winter ... only on bad conditions like snow and slush).

     

    ... why I never had this idea before Smiley


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    Re: 992 GT3

    FWIW: 4S is amazing in the wet compared to the Cups.


    Re: 992 GT3

    Sidney:
    Gnil:

    If not tracked I would use the Michelin Pilot Sport  4S  all year long. It is better suited then a cup to drive on public roads as no need to be warm . Better when rain. Good enough in winter when no snow. And way enough grip in summer for driving on speed limited roads.

     

    .... good idea ... no winter tires at all ... hmmm ... grows on me .... deal!

    (at least here in Germany winter tires are not mandatory during winter ... only on bad conditions like snow and slush).

     

    ... why I never had this idea before Smiley

    That's what this forum is made for  Smiley

    In Switzerland also, winter tires are not mandatory. Only if there is snow. 


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    Re: 992 GT3

    My OPC stored my winters for years, switched out every year on the same rims. No GT3 though, but did lots of trackdays....Never had a problem with damaged tires..


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    Re: 992 GT3

    This is just a way to sell you additional set of rims. Sell specialists are more motivated to sell accessories than cars... 


    Re: 992 GT3

    Boyko23:

    This is just a way to sell you additional set of rims. Sell specialists are more motivated to sell accessories than cars... 

    Of course it is.

    I like Gnils shout Smiley


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    Re: 992 GT3

    You guys use your GT3s as daily drivers?


    Re: 992 GT3

    Wonderbar:

    You guys use your GT3s as daily drivers?

    I pretty much do, yes Smiley


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    Re: 992 GT3

    Problem with the MPS 4S tire is the sizing vs the cup 2.

    They are just skinnier so if we want same width as cup 2s we have to go with a bigger size which means sidewall is bigger.

    Cup 2s are fine here year round,  and I got used to the road noise.


    Re: 992 GT3

    Yeah, the size of the rear N-rated Cup2 and Race Maxx is a strange size (getting another 305/30/20 rear tire although marked the same size will not fit properly on the 12" rear wheels).  The OEM 305mm tire is built like a 325mm wide tire, but with 305/30 sidewall size - they do this to make the OEM Michelin and Dunlop tires exclusive for the GT3.  Winter tires require their own (narrower) wheel to work perfectly as intended, afaik.


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    Re: 992 GT3

    Grant:

    Yeah, the size of the rear N-rated Cup2 and Race Maxx is a strange size (getting another 305/30/20 rear tire although marked the same size will not fit properly on the 12" rear wheels).  The OEM 305mm tire is built like a 325mm wide tire, but with 305/30 sidewall size - they do this to make the OEM Michelin and Dunlop tires exclusive for the GT3.  Winter tires require their own (narrower) wheel to work perfectly as intended, afaik.


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    Correct and a narrower tire is preferred for wet and snowy driving.  


    Re: 992 GT3

    Grant:

    Yeah, the size of the rear N-rated Cup2 and Race Maxx is a strange size (getting another 305/30/20 rear tire although marked the same size will not fit properly on the 12" rear wheels).  The OEM 305mm tire is built like a 325mm wide tire, but with 305/30 sidewall size - they do this to make the OEM Michelin and Dunlop tires exclusive for the GT3.  Winter tires require their own (narrower) wheel to work perfectly as intended, afaik.


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    So what  about this ? Approved from Porsche  with N rating 

     

    PNEU MICHELIN PILOT SPORT 4S 305/30R20 103 Y

    Logo Michelin

    MICHELIN PILOT SPORT 4S

    305/30R20  103 Y 

    XL, N0 (PORSCHE)


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    Re: 992 GT3

    Gnil:
    Grant:

    Yeah, the size of the rear N-rated Cup2 and Race Maxx is a strange size (getting another 305/30/20 rear tire although marked the same size will not fit properly on the 12" rear wheels).  The OEM 305mm tire is built like a 325mm wide tire, but with 305/30 sidewall size - they do this to make the OEM Michelin and Dunlop tires exclusive for the GT3.  Winter tires require their own (narrower) wheel to work perfectly as intended, afaik.


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    So what  about this ? Approved from Porsche  with N rating 

     

    PNEU MICHELIN PILOT SPORT 4S 305/30R20 103 Y

    Logo Michelin

    MICHELIN PILOT SPORT 4S

    305/30R20  103 Y 

    XL, N0 (PORSCHE)


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    It may be approved for "some" Porsche model, but you need to confirm it works with large GT3 12" wheel, not just 11" wheel from Carrera...

    It's possible there is a 4S tire for GT3 now, but there was not last time I looked...


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    Re: 992 GT3

    On Tire Rack, it shows the 4S N0 with 11.5" max wheel width:

    Michelin 4S.PNG


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    Re: 992 GT3

    It also looks similar for Cup2 N1, so not sure of accuracy of the data...


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    Re: 992 GT3

    i used my 2016 GT3 as a daily


    Re: 992 GT3

    Grant:

    It also looks similar for Cup2 N1, so not sure of accuracy of the data...

    I am on a GT3 RS Facebook group where lots of owners use the 4S on their cars, specially in the US. So if there is a 4S that fits the RS I would be surprised there would be none for the GT3

     


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    Re: 992 GT3

    Gnil:
    Grant:

    It also looks similar for Cup2 N1, so not sure of accuracy of the data...

    I am on a GT3 RS Facebook group where lots of owners use the 4S on their cars, specially in the US. So if there is a 4S that fits the RS I would be surprised there would be none for the GT3

    I've seen plenty of people post photos of their GT3/RS using tires that are clearly over-stretched to fit the rims (for which the tires are clearly not wide enough).  I'm not saying Michelin don't build a tire that is suitable, but I'm not convinced just because some people in the US are doing it...


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    Re: 992 GT3

    Personally I would go with a bigger size if I ever decide getting the 4s, even the sidewall is a bit bigger.


    Re: 992 GT3

    AP911:

    Personally I would go with a bigger size if I ever decide getting the 4s, even the sidewall is a bit bigger.

    You have to be careful with that too - you don't want the overall diameter to change (affects gearing and some of the electronic systems then).

    The factory setup for the RS for winter tires (I know 4S are not winter tires) is to use the 20" GT3 wheels with special tire sizes (larger diameter than GT3 tires to keep diameters the same as OEM RS tires).

    The factory winter wheel setup for the GT3 is to use 20" 991 Turbo centerlock wheels (11.5" rears).


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    Re: 992 GT3

    Well we haven't had a single rain shower since December or maybe November, and it's almost 40° C so cup 2s are perfect indecision


    Re: 992 GT3

    AP911:

    Well we haven't had a single rain shower since December or maybe November, and it's almost 40° C so cup 2s are perfect indecision

    Smiley


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