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    997 Turbo vs. Mercedes ClK 63 AMG

    Just wanted to let all 997 Turbo owners know that today I saw a brand new Mercedes CLK 63 AMG BLACK SERIES kick a 997 Turbos butt! I just could not believe what i was seeing. It was in Malibu and these two young drivers were going at it really hard on PCH going south and the whole time I could see the turbo pushing but never got passed the Merc and was always trailing by 2 car lengths. The sound of the Merc was insane!!! I'm a big Porsche fan, but too me it just seems that most cars out there out perform them on the streets! and we cant say well lets go to the track because majority of Porsche owners do not track there cars. Example, I have not seen any Carrera's of any model year be able to keep up with any of Mercs AMG cars, end of the day it sucked i was hoping the new turbo would pull through! Anyhow the new CLK AMG BLACK SERIES is a very serious car!

    Re: 997 Turbo vs. Mercedes ClK 63 AMG

    On a public road? The winner would always be the person who values his/her life less.

    Re: 997 Turbo vs. Mercedes ClK 63 AMG

    997tt
    480hp (conservative)
    502 torque
    3500lbs

    AMG CLK63 Black
    500hp
    478 torque
    3900lbs

    Do the math, theoretically the turbo is faster, however if the driver in the AMG is much better than the one in the Turbo it could go either way.

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    Quote:
    Moogle said:
    On a public road? The winner would always be the person who values his/her life less.



    Don't moralise so much . We break speed limits all the time and unless there is heavy traffic, such a race is nothing truly dangerous. Weaving in and out of traffic, on the other hand, would be very dangerous.

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    Quote:
    trip said:
    997tt
    480hp (conservative)
    502 torque
    3500lbs

    AMG CLK63 Black
    500hp
    478 torque
    3900lbs

    Do the math, theoretically the turbo is faster, however if the driver in the AMG is much better than the one in the Turbo it could go either way.



    The Turbo is faster, however the CL63 has a slushbox and the Turbo, if manual, is pretty much dependent on the driver - and some young guy in a car, which probably belongs to his dad, doesn't sound like a very competent driver to me.

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    Andrej,
    Today I saw a young lady in Mini Cooper S who kicked GT Silver 997 Turbo ass on traffic light.
    Point? Platinum blonde in Mini was driving like an mad [beep] at 12.00h in center of Zagreb, she was in a hurry(to buy herself a new Gucci bag I guess)... On the other hand 997 Turbo driver was lazy as possible...

    Back OT-CLK 63 Black much faster then 997 Turbo? Only if you are heavy MERCEDESEIN addict.

    BTW, CLK 63 Black deliveries even did not started yet in Europe. First deliveries mid July in Germany.
    BUT, apparently in USA they are already kicking 997 Turbo's butts... When you are on MERCEDESEIN you are apparently very HIGH indeed...

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    KresoF1 said:
    Andrej,
    Today I saw a young lady in Mini Cooper S who kicked GT Silver 997 Turbo ass on traffic light.
    Point? Platinum blonde in Mini was driving like an mad [beep] at 12.00h in center of Zagreb, she was in a hurry(to buy herself a new Gucci bag I guess)... On the other hand 997 Turbo driver was lazy as possible...

    Back OT-CLK 63 Black much faster then 997 Turbo? Only if you are heavy MERCEDESEIN addict.

    BTW, CLK 63 Black deliveries even did not started yet in Europe. First deliveries mid July in Germany.
    BUT, apparently in USA they are already kicking 997 Turbo's butts... When you are on MERCEDESEIN you are apparently very HIGH indeed...




    Re: 997 Turbo vs. Mercedes ClK 63 AMG

    The E63 and CLS63 have dyno'd lower and been proven time and time again to be slower than their E55 and CLS65 predecessors. No stock E55 or CLS55 has even been as fast as a 997TT. I think the CLK63 looks great - bought my wife a CLK550 cab - but it is not going perform on par with a TT

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    Hey dont take it personal, I'm just letting you guys know what I saw and yes it was a brand new CLK 63 Black Series with Fletcher Jones plates.

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    I test drove a CLK63 AMG and an E63 AMG extensively before ordering my TT. Both nice cars but MUCH slower than the Porsche IMHO. Both the Mercs have heaps of grunt of course but I was surprised at how difficult it was to get the power down to the road. From a standing start wheelspin was an issue particularly on the CLK, despite the traction control light flashing at me like a yellow demon. Drove a manual TT back to back and the decision was easy. In my experience at least there is no comparison, the TT leaves the Mercs for dead.

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    CLK63 BS isn't out in US yet...

    Likely explanation....have a dentist/dry cleaner from Calabasas in 997TT, racing a kid who works at BestBuy and lives w/his parents in SanFernVy/OC...

    Prob 50% of secretaries in BevHills/NwptBch drive used CLKs (better-looking au pairs drive new CLKs/Coxsters/Z4s)...some kid prob bought a used CLK at FJ; went to Wolfgang's/Vinny's/Carlos' tuning shop to buy a body kit/aftermkt wheels/tinted windows/new exhaust/ECU work, etc.....

    Close to 100% of those who choose to street race lack much in way of driving skills/basic judgment/financial assets....some free sex in prison may help them achieve what they seek....

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    standing start the merc eats the 997 turbo tip big time up to about 120 km/h. tried it several time with a friend who has sl55 517 hp 2007 model.

    torque braking i ate him for breakfast. rolling starts i had him for lunch.

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    Heck! on the SF Bay Area streets minivan moms floor it at intersections all the time, and I just let them go. Does that mean a Honda Odyssey is faster than a C4? Besides... why are we discussing this? whoever buys a 911 should not do it for straight line performance, that's not what the car is all about.

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    Well, actually, I hate to admit such a shameful thing, but umm.., I AM buying the TT for straight line performance, (amongst other things). And I'm probably not entirely alone....

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    My friend i raced both 997turbo & Z06 & a CL63

    My friend everyone in the net spread that the Z06 is faster then a 997turbo which its not true, i raced those 3 cars 997Turbo only car kept close to my car, Z06 might be faster from rolling but till 300KM i guess the 997Turbo will be ahead of both cars from 0-300km,
    question to you all is AMG cars are speed limited till 255KM or not ?

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    Forget to say that before i modify my 996T i raced a SL55 the one with 475HP supercharged , the 996T was 420hp still the SL had no chance with the 996T

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    Quote:
    VKSF said:
    CLK63 BS isn't out in US yet...

    Likely explanation....have a dentist/dry cleaner from Calabasas in 997TT, racing a kid who works at BestBuy and lives w/his parents in SanFernVy/OC...

    Prob 50% of secretaries in BevHills/NwptBch drive used CLKs (better-looking au pairs drive new CLKs/Coxsters/Z4s)...some kid prob bought a used CLK at FJ; went to Wolfgang's/Vinny's/Carlos' tuning shop to buy a body kit/aftermkt wheels/tinted windows/new exhaust/ECU work, etc.....

    Close to 100% of those who choose to street race lack much in way of driving skills/basic judgment/financial assets....some free sex in prison may help them achieve what they seek....



    They are out... friend of mine just texted me a picture a couple days of one at Santa Monica and 405 as it waited at the light.

    Re: 997 Turbo vs. Mercedes ClK 63 AMG

    ...if the porsche is a 6 spd and the MB is of course an auto its VERY feasible.

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    VKSF, you're the man!

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    They are very close, one slight mistake on the 997TT part and the MB will have the lead, assuming the 997TT is 6 speed. I love P-cars and would never even compare them to MB cars. But let's face it guys now days so many cars can keep up the might 911 Turbo. I saw an SLR beating a CGT I wanted to get out of my car and strangle the CGT driver

    Re: 997 Turbo vs. Mercedes ClK 63 AMG

    Quote:
    VKSF said:
    CLK63 BS isn't out in US yet...

    Likely explanation....have a dentist/dry cleaner from Calabasas in 997TT, racing a kid who works at BestBuy and lives w/his parents in SanFernVy/OC...

    Prob 50% of secretaries in BevHills/NwptBch drive used CLKs (better-looking au pairs drive new CLKs/Coxsters/Z4s)...some kid prob bought a used CLK at FJ; went to Wolfgang's/Vinny's/Carlos' tuning shop to buy a body kit/aftermkt wheels/tinted windows/new exhaust/ECU work, etc.....

    Close to 100% of those who choose to street race lack much in way of driving skills/basic judgment/financial assets....some free sex in prison may help them achieve what they seek....




    Re: 997 Turbo vs. Mercedes ClK 63 AMG

    This is real, documented and much more fun.
    A pack of racing prepped gt3s couldn't shake off for several corners a stock amg station wagon (a c class I believe), with three people on board.
    Where?
    At the last Monaco grand prix!
    After the start of the Carrera cup race on sunday the safety car was still closely (10 meters?) trailing the pack when it passed under my nose into the casino square. I thank the nutty driver (he is not supposed to stay that close of course) for giving me a laugh. Amazing performance from the merc.

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    hilarious!
    i believe it, numbers don't tell the whole story and time after time, any driver error or even tiny delay in shifting or imperfect shift will result in dramatic difference when against an automatic car.
    when had the e60 m5 got walked temporarily by a charger srt8 after botching by a hair (can you believe it? in an SMG) which i thought would not have made a difference but it did...
    must match driver to driver and even then!

     
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