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    Jul 13, 2007 6:45:10 AM

    MKSGRM
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    Re: my dealer in NJ told me MSRP is $186,000

    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    There two choices right know:
    -either to get originally planned 997 turbo and R8
    or
    -997 GT2 and RS4 or new M3

    Both combinations cost about the same money...



    If you are still flexible to decide - no question, option #2 is much more appealing

    Jul 13, 2007 7:39:43 AM

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    Re: my dealer in NJ told me MSRP is $186,000

    you don't have to look far, we canadians pay like 30-40k US MORE than US customers.

    Jul 13, 2007 7:45:46 AM

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    Re: my dealer in NJ told me MSRP is $186,000

    European prices include VAT, US don't...

    Jul 13, 2007 8:52:48 AM

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    Re: my dealer in NJ told me MSRP is $186,000

    So when are they delivering ? Germany by Nov/Dec ? then follows rest of Europe, then comes N.America, Japan/Asia, Middle East/Africa ?

    Any new colors beside the natural red ?

    Jul 13, 2007 9:09:29 AM

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    Re: my dealer in NJ told me MSRP is $186,000

    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    -997 GT2 and RS4 or new M3


    Jul 13, 2007 10:34:51 AM

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    Reply to: KresoF1

    Re: my dealer in NJ told me MSRP is $186,000

    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    There two choices right know:
    -either to get originally planned 997 turbo and R8
    or
    -997 GT2 and RS4 or new M3

    Both combinations cost about the same money...



    Yes second option for me.I would go for gt2 and rs4(also awd instead m3).New RS4 2008 or 2009?

    Jul 13, 2007 10:52:25 AM

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    Re: my dealer in NJ told me MSRP is $186,000

    Quote:
    MKSGR said:
    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    There two choices right know:
    -either to get originally planned 997 turbo and R8
    or
    -997 GT2 and RS4 or new M3

    Both combinations cost about the same money...



    If you are still flexible to decide - no question, option #2 is much more appealing



    +1

    Jul 13, 2007 1:52:21 PM

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    Re: my dealer in NJ told me MSRP is $186,000

    Is the VAT really that high for you Europeans? I mean, we have sales taxes but they vary either by city to city, region to region or even state to state with some states not even having any at all. How about over in Europe?

    In any case, I wonder if Porsche actually adjusts the MSRP for each market or do they have a baseline pricing worldwide which determines the end MSRP for each market after each respective taxes have been applied.

    Jul 13, 2007 2:00:36 PM

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    Re: my dealer in NJ told me MSRP is $186,000

    To answers your question here are few examples...
    In my country VAT is 22%, Germany 19%, Holland 19%, Belgium 21% etc. You see? Switzerland is pretty low with 7.6% but, usually VAT is pretty high in Europe...

    Jul 13, 2007 2:10:35 PM

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    Re: my dealer in NJ told me MSRP is $186,000

    Quote:
    atomic80 said:
    Is the VAT really that high for you Europeans? I mean, we have sales taxes but they vary either by city to city, region to region or even state to state with some states not even having any at all. How about over in Europe?

    In any case, I wonder if Porsche actually adjusts the MSRP for each market or do they have a baseline pricing worldwide which determines the end MSRP for each market after each respective taxes have been applied.



    Pricing varies by country (which also prompts manufacturers to "forbid" dealer trading between countries and facilitates "gray market" trading-remember the Cayenne trading between the USA and Mexico years ago) as does taxation, so both affect final price even before dealer markups. So the VAT (Very abominable tax) is adding insult to injury....

    Jul 13, 2007 2:46:08 PM

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    Re: my dealer in NJ told me MSRP is $186,000

    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    To answers your question here are few examples...
    In my country VAT is 22%, Germany 19%, Holland 19%, Belgium 21% etc. You see? Switzerland is pretty low with 7.6% but, usually VAT is pretty high in Europe...



    Jul 13, 2007 2:48:37 PM

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    Re: my dealer in NJ told me MSRP is $186,000

    Base price is higher in SW no?

    Jul 13, 2007 9:17:28 PM

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    Re: 997 GT2

    So off the line it is not quicker than the TT but it will eat the TT for lunch on a track?

    Jul 13, 2007 10:07:10 PM

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    Re: 997 GT2

    Would anyone here get out of carrera gt for a new gt2 though?

    Jul 13, 2007 10:36:06 PM

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    Re: 997 GT2

    GT2 is still 150k cheaper...

    Jul 13, 2007 11:41:33 PM

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    Re: 997 GT2

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    Would anyone here get out of carrera gt for a new gt2 though?



    No way CGT is an animal in it's own league

    Jul 14, 2007 2:19:26 AM

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    Re: 997 GT2

    Quote:
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    Would anyone here get out of carrera gt for a new gt2 though?


    Not I!

    Jul 14, 2007 3:54:28 AM

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    Re: 997 GT2

    I would!

    PSM - LC and 2 turbos

    Jul 14, 2007 8:01:28 AM

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    Re: 997 GT2

    If you need LC, the CGT wasn't the right car for you to begin with...

    Jul 14, 2007 1:09:40 PM

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    Re: 997 GT2

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    If you need LC, the CGT wasn't the right car for you to begin with...



    You're right, that's why they're all in safe hands and in one piece since it left the factory

    Jul 14, 2007 3:01:10 PM

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    Re: 997 GT2

    If I had a CGT, there's just simply NO way that I would give it up for a 997 GT2. CGT is in a completely different league!

    Jul 14, 2007 5:04:05 PM

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    Re: 997 GT2

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    If I had a CGT, there's just simply NO way that I would give it up for a 997 GT2. CGT is in a completely different league!



    Jason,
    I agree with you! CGT is... well... CGT!
    BUT, I simply love new 997 GT2!

    Jul 14, 2007 8:48:56 PM

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    Re: 997 GT2

    +1

    Jul 14, 2007 9:03:25 PM

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    Re: 997 GT2

    Has anyone confirmed whether or not 997GT2 has LSD?

    Jul 14, 2007 9:55:44 PM

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    Re: 997 GT2

    The only thing that would have made the new GT2 more than perfect looks wise (and may be weight wise) would have been Carbon Fiber roof, mirrors, and wing.

    Otherwise it's very difficult to criticize this bad boy.

    Jul 14, 2007 10:27:26 PM

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    Re: 997 GT2

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    Has anyone confirmed whether or not 997GT2 has LSD?



    It will for sure have LSD. The real question is how low will the locking percentages be now that PSM is included. The addition of traction control and ABD on the 997 GT3 lowered the locking rates compared to the previous model. Will PSM lower it even more?
     
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