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    Re: end of Porsche love story.

    The price you quote is way out of line. An M96 crated engine in the US is about $10k. Also... Unless you were at fault... I would talk to Porsche; they have been known to offer good will and either replace the engine or a compromise somehow.

    Re: end of Porsche love story.

    Jeannot

    I would seriously consider having an engine shiped from the US. The shipping cost will not be much ( a full car is $ 2500) . And the price difference will be enourmous.

    Re: end of Porsche love story.

    I'm sorry to hear this. Actually at a friend of mine the engine in the boxster, the 986 model 2.5, blew up some years ago, with the car with almost the same mileage. the first engines of the 996 and 986 do this thing. anyway to make it short he had to buy the engine. He could not do anything because Porsche didn't help him at all, so now he tries to sell the car and with just 89000km on the clock he asks a price of 22000 Euro just trying to save some of the 10000 Euro he spent on the engine.... but as I have told him I think at the end he will have to drop the price and take all by himself the hit of that expensive repair....

    so to me it seems that the 996 and 986 first generatios just have a very high risk attached to the pleasure of owning a Porsche...

    Re: end of Porsche love story.

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    Gnil said:
    Jeannot

    I would seriously consider having an engine shiped from the US. The shipping cost will not be much ( a full car is $ 2500) . And the price difference will be enourmous.



    Hum, yes, maybe. and the USD is low at the moment. But I have no idea where to even start looking. I doubt you find 996 engines on ebay

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    Jeannot said:
    I am trying to find an engine from a wrecker....zero, nada.
    There is another 996 next to mine with the exact same problem...so we'd be competing for that engine...



    Maybe send a lettter to PAG? If they really are interested in upholding their reputation, they should either get you a new engine free of charge or subsidize at least part of the cost.



    Yeah, need to take time to write this letter. Will probably post it here and tell them that I post it here (that should scare them a bit right? )



    Yes, tell them that the wives of all the owners will read about this. I can see them shaking already .



    LOL!

    Jeannot, sorry to hear what happened I hope you will be able to fix the situation!

    Re: end of Porsche love story.

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    Jeannot said:


    Hum, yes, maybe. and the USD is low at the moment. But I have no idea where to even start looking. I doubt you find 996 engines on ebay



    Ask around for which Porsche engine rebuild outfit has been advertising repeatedly in Panorama (the PCA publication) over the years. I sure I've seen rebuilt engines in there dozens of times over the years (can't remember any names ).

    Re: end of Porsche love story.

    Company in the link below, Autofarm in the UK have a very good reputation and have done a lot of work in "sorting" the 996/986 engine problems - with the strength of the Euro maybe worth a look ?
    http://www.autofarm.co.uk/engines/water_cooled/pricing

    Re: end of Porsche love story.

    The M96 engine issues are well known and covered under Warranty by Porsche. But if you are out of warranty your dealer may be able to put in a "goodwill" claim to absorb some of the costs. Either way it may still cost you a lot of money to get the issue fixed.

    Sorry to hear about the problem - I hope you get a decent result soon!

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    Gnil said:
    Jeannot

    I would seriously consider having an engine shiped from the US. The shipping cost will not be much ( a full car is $ 2500) . And the price difference will be enourmous.



    Great suggestion. Worth looking into.


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    Ferdie said:
    The watercooled engines had quite some reliability issues. One hardly finds these models with a similiar mileage as the previous aircooled ones (or the 944 and 928 models).



    I do not understand your meaning of the above statement Ferdie, from your particular wording/phrasing.

    If it is to say that 928 engines have any flaw that limits their lifetime, NOTHING could be more inaccurate. 928 engines often go 250,000 miles trouble free, before needing any minor overhaul. The average one has about 125,000 now often being used as a daily driver. This is another reason why I am such a 928 fan.

    To Jeannot, you have expressed interest in the 928 before, maybe it's time to get into one. Lots of fun, superior quality and very reasonable initial outlay.

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    Gnil said:
    Jeannot

    I would seriously consider having an engine shiped from the US. The shipping cost will not be much ( a full car is $ 2500) . And the price difference will be enourmous.



    Great suggestion. Worth looking into.


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    Ferdie said:
    The watercooled engines had quite some reliability issues. One hardly finds these models with a similiar mileage as the previous aircooled ones (or the 944 and 928 models).



    I do not understand your meaning of the above statement Ferdie, from your particular wording/phrasing.

    If it is to say that 928 engines have any flaw that limits their lifetime, NOTHING could be more inaccurate. 928 engines often go 250,000 miles trouble free, before needing any minor overhaul. The average one has about 125,000 now often being used as a daily driver. This is another reason why I am such a 928 fan.

    To Jeannot, you have expressed interest in the 928 before, maybe it's time to get into one. Lots of fun, superior quality and very reasonable initial outlay.



    Racer, that isn't what he said at all.

    "One hardly finds these models with a similiar mileage as the previous aircooled ones (or the 944 and 928 models)."

    Meaning, the M96 engines are nowhere near as durable as their air-cooled predecessors and the 928/944 engines.

    Re: end of Porsche love story.

    Thanks for the clarification. I couldn't quite get the meaning.

    I wonder if any p dealer in Jeannots' area has a 928 GTS, GT, or CS on consignment, maybe a favorable trade could be worked out. That is the area to own one.

    Re: end of Porsche love story.

    Sorry to hear that but why the heck did you switch from a 997 to a 996? Don't you read Rennteam???

    There are a couple of things Porsche buyers in Europe(can't talk about the US) have to know:
    1. if you buy a used Porsche, NEVER EVER buy it from a private person. It may be MUCH cheaper but in the end you loose(unless you're lucky).
    2. always buy a used Porsche with the dealer offered used car warranty which usually covers blown engines. To my knowledge, this warranty can be extended each year for an additional fee until a certain age/mileage is achieved.
    3. Porsche offers some sort of "Kulanz"(sorry, don't know the english word for it). If the car was ALWAYS serviced at a certified dealer and if it isn't too old, they may jump in an offer some rebate on parts cost. Try it, you don't have anything to loose. Don't fight with them, be sad and disappointed, don't threaten Porsche, they don't respond too well to threats.

    Good luck!

    Btw: three Porsche over here, a Boxster S, a Cayenne Turbo S and a 997 Turbo. None of them had a serious problem, the 997 Turbo(now over 19000 km) never saw the dealership for ANY fixing. Bad luck I guess.

    Re: end of Porsche love story.

    RC, (if my memory is correct) I think Jeannot sold his -20mm 997S to get a 996 because he was leaving Switzerland to work in Spain for a while so he wanted a car which would handle rougher roads more comfortably. Unfortunately, it's turned out to be a costly decision

    Re: end of Porsche love story.

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    racerx said:
    Thanks for the clarification. I couldn't quite get the meaning.



    Yes, my sentence referred to the watercooled M96 engines which obviously are not as solid as the aircooled flat-6 or inline-4 and V8 engines from Porsche.

    Still I find it hard to understand how these significant price increases come up. There have been other users on the forum who had to exchange their M96 engines, reportedly with prices below 10 thousand Euros. I agree on the above said, ask for a goodwill act from Porsche's side. If they decline, take a look at surrounding independent garages specialized in Porsche. One might argue that an engine exchange from an unofficial source might be less fruitful, they usually provide a warranty for their products as well. So should you intend to keep the car for a few more years and depreciation will continue due to significant mileage, I would consider this option.

    Re: end of Porsche love story.

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    Gnil said:
    Jeannot

    I would seriously consider having an engine shiped from the US. The shipping cost will not be much ( a full car is $ 2500) . And the price difference will be enourmous.



    Hum, yes, maybe. and the USD is low at the moment. But I have no idea where to even start looking. I doubt you find 996 engines on ebay



    I'm not really recommending this, but I couldn't resist:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-9...3QQcmdZViewItem

    Re: end of Porsche love story.

    Any news?

    Re: end of Porsche love story.

    Yah, could not find any other option than to have them do the repair. Stupid water cooled M96 block. Some of the so-called 'porsche' specialist would do the same thing as me: i.e. bring the car to AMAG for an engine swap.
    I could only negotiate a payment in 5 times. Not much of a change, but it is psychological, I do not have to put 23767.40CHF on the table when I pick the car!!!
    There were 2 other 996s with the same problem. Not sure it was the same problem, same solution (i.e. swap the entire block). What is amazing is that they do not offer more than 1year (1 year!!!!) warranty...seems unbelievable.

    Re: end of Porsche love story.

    Perhaps you can sell after it's done and get out with not much of a loss? Anyways good luck.

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    I know couple of very similar cases.

    Once Autobild got involved and it helped, PAG was paying the engine.

    Another friend of mine had the same problem and got the engine payed, but not the labor. A second friend got everything paid with 56.000 km. Both have been in Germany. A third friend from Lisboa got nothing paid, cost of around 20k Euro occured.

    I would talk with PAG, if required with the CEO itself. Further on, I would involve any press.

    This is totally insane if a car which was maintained by AMAG have a blown engine after 80.000 km.

    Re: end of Porsche love story.

    Jeannot. really sorry to hear about your misadventure. Really nice to see all the help and the great advice coming out of Rennteam Members.
    Hope a solution will come out and that your first words about P car will come back.
    But i feel for you cause happen to me similar things with another small & sporty orange car from england that i really was in love with.

    Re: end of Porsche love story.

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    racerx said:
    Perhaps you can sell after it's done and get out with not much of a loss? Anyways good luck.



    I am really torn on this one. Yes it will have a new engine. My wife wants me to keep it (she knows me and in 3 months I will want another one...)...but I am really upset..
    Apparently, on 2nd hand market, a new engine does not drive any premium on the resale price. Can't get more than 40KCHF out of it...

     
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