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    Re: 992 GT3

    I love that Nogaro, but I don't think I would have chosen the Shark Blue stripes on the wheels to go along with it.


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    Grant, your eye for detail always astounds me!!  wink


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    What is the difference between Shark blue and Nogaro?u


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    Shark is a lot brighter


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    We finally get to see the dimples on the rotors. I cant believe its taken 25 years of track folk complaining about the cracks for Porsche to finally address this. Along with the 408mm front rotors Im hoping we will now see 10 track days from the fronts (before only 6-7). Along with improved front tyre wear the hassle with changing consumerables should be reduced with this generation though no doubt the actual cost of the tyres and rotors has increased so the net financial gain will be limited...

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    The Mint Green car didn‘t last long in the Hockenheim Experience Center Fleet...heart

    Last friday...it seems the new Cup2 also needs some time to heat up.angry

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    macca993:

    We finally get to see the dimples on the rotors. I cant believe its taken 25 years of track folk complaining about the cracks for Porsche to finally address this. Along with the 408mm front rotors Im hoping we will now see 10 track days from the fronts (before only 6-7). Along with improved front tyre wear the hassle with changing consumerables should be reduced with this generation though no doubt the actual cost of the tyres and rotors has increased so the net financial gain will be limited...

    IMG_3781.jpg


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    That should be a nice improvement.  Another nice benefit of grooved or dimpled rotors is you can more easily tell when it’s time to to replace due to thinning (usually the grooves and dimples are the same 1mm deep per face that is the threshold for replacement and disappear, once you reach the that spec).  

    Good example of Neodyme wheels too..


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    blueflame:

    The Mint Green car didn‘t last long in the Hockenheim Experience Center Fleet...heart

    Last friday...it seems the new Cup2 also needs some time to heat up.angry

    Blueflame

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    Yikes! Smiley


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    Grant:
    macca993:

    We finally get to see the dimples on the rotors. I cant believe its taken 25 years of track folk complaining about the cracks for Porsche to finally address this. Along with the 408mm front rotors Im hoping we will now see 10 track days from the fronts (before only 6-7). Along with improved front tyre wear the hassle with changing consumerables should be reduced with this generation though no doubt the actual cost of the tyres and rotors has increased so the net financial gain will be limited...

    IMG_3781.jpg


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    2017 991.2 GT3 Manual, 2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia QV, 2017 Macan S (Petrol)

    That should be a nice improvement.  Another nice benefit of grooved or dimpled rotors is you can more easily tell when it’s time to to replace due to thinning (usually the grooves and dimples are the same 1mm deep per face that is the threshold for replacement and disappear, once you reach the that spec).  

    Good example of Neodyme wheels too..


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    Finally ! Smiley  I wonder if the new disks could fit on the 991 models ? 


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    Sorry if this is a redundant question, but for the chaps that track their cars here, what is latest thinking re steel brakes vs ceramics? Does the above change it at all? FWIW, I ordered steel ones on my GT4 b/c thought this was the conventional thinking if you wanted to go on track at some point.  I am lined up to do the Precision Driving course in June and the two day Master-class in Sept, will start to try the whole track thing there-after. So obviously can’t change the GT4 selection, BUT, if  I did get a crack at a GT3 build (or win the lottery!), should I go with the ceramics or stick with the steel like I did on the GT4. Thanks in advance


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    Well, we did extensive tests and measurement on the 991.1 GT3RS between steel and ceramics and even if ceramics progressed, on the long run the steel are still cheaper to run by comfortable margin.

    best advice is save the money on the configurator and go shop some AP Racing kit which will cost less than the Ceramics and will last for ever with superior and lighter performance.


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    the-missile:

    Well, we did extensive tests and measurement on the 991.1 GT3RS between steel and ceramics and even if ceramics progressed, on the long run the steel are still cheaper to run by comfortable margin.

     

    True, unfortunately, it is not the wear and tear but simply dirt, little stones etc. from the track getting between the discs and the calipers and then you are done ... or, I do run on steel brakes, but once in a while overdo my driving and end up with a solid "metal on metal situation" and then I get angry with myself (or my own stupidity), get new steel discs and that's it ... Smiley


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    Gnil:
     

    Finally ! Smiley  I wonder if the new disks could fit on the 991 models ? 

    They would probably fit, but I think the bias (front/rear balance) could be off.  On the 991, both front and rear are the same 380mm.  Here, the rear is still 380mm, but the front is nearly 30mm larger diameter which will shift more braking torque to the front.  I am not sure if there is some other change in the 992 to offset this change (possibly piston sizes in the calipers or a valve in the braking circuit, maybe).

    Also, you would need to add a spacer to mount the front calipers, so it will fit over the larger front rotors (like you do if you use PCCB rotors on red calipers).


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    996FourEss:

    Sorry if this is a redundant question, but for the chaps that track their cars here, what is latest thinking re steel brakes vs ceramics? Does the above change it at all? FWIW, I ordered steel ones on my GT4 b/c thought this was the conventional thinking if you wanted to go on track at some point.  I am lined up to do the Precision Driving course in June and the two day Master-class in Sept, will start to try the whole track thing there-after. So obviously can’t change the GT4 selection, BUT, if  I did get a crack at a GT3 build (or win the lottery!), should I go with the ceramics or stick with the steel like I did on the GT4. Thanks in advance

    To me, it looks like they improved the iron brakes on the 992 while leaving the PCCB's the same.  Yet, the price of the PCCB option is now more than ever.  So if finances are a part of your decision, the PCCB's are now less desirable on that basis.  However, I know people who love them (less brake dust and very little fade and lighter).  But the iron ones work just as well (some people say better feel and better in the wet) and are cheaper to buy/replace with more pad options.  Irons for me again...


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    Re: 992 GT3

    Grant:
    996FourEss:

    Sorry if this is a redundant question, but for the chaps that track their cars here, what is latest thinking re steel brakes vs ceramics? Does the above change it at all? FWIW, I ordered steel ones on my GT4 b/c thought this was the conventional thinking if you wanted to go on track at some point.  I am lined up to do the Precision Driving course in June and the two day Master-class in Sept, will start to try the whole track thing there-after. So obviously can’t change the GT4 selection, BUT, if  I did get a crack at a GT3 build (or win the lottery!), should I go with the ceramics or stick with the steel like I did on the GT4. Thanks in advance

    To me, it looks like they improved the iron brakes on the 992 while leaving the PCCB's the same.  Yet, the price of the PCCB option is now more than ever.  So if finances are a part of your decision, the PCCB's are now less desirable on that basis.  However, I know people who love them (less brake dust and very little fade and lighter).  But the iron ones work just as well (some people say better feel and better in the wet) and are cheaper to buy/replace with more pad options.  Irons for me again...


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    +1 I've had both. Stick with the iron. 


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    Re: 992 GT3

    Grant:
    Gnil:
     

    Finally ! Smiley  I wonder if the new disks could fit on the 991 models ? 

    They would probably fit, but I think the bias (front/rear balance) could be off.  On the 991, both front and rear are the same 380mm.  Here, the rear is still 380mm, but the front is nearly 30mm larger diameter which will shift more braking torque to the front.  I am not sure if there is some other change in the 992 to offset this change (possibly piston sizes in the calipers or a valve in the braking circuit, maybe).

    Also, you would need to add a spacer to mount the front calipers, so it will fit over the larger front rotors (like you do if you use PCCB rotors on red calipers).


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    Would this extra breaking power not be the same as when I change for better pads and get extra breaking power ?

     


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    Re: 992 GT3

    996FourEss:

    Sorry if this is a redundant question, but for the chaps that track their cars here, what is latest thinking re steel brakes vs ceramics? Does the above change it at all? FWIW, I ordered steel ones on my GT4 b/c thought this was the conventional thinking if you wanted to go on track at some point.  I am lined up to do the Precision Driving course in June and the two day Master-class in Sept, will start to try the whole track thing there-after. So obviously can’t change the GT4 selection, BUT, if  I did get a crack at a GT3 build (or win the lottery!), should I go with the ceramics or stick with the steel like I did on the GT4. Thanks in advance

     

    One should never ever pay to get ceramic brakes. It't not worth paying for it, Ever Porsche's steel ones are superior to anything else.

    If my car happens to come with them standard it's fine, but I would never check that option box. 

    The advantage of ceramic over steel is that on it looks better as they are bigger, and no brake dust to speak off.

    Down side to being bigger is that stones and rocks might get trapped between the disc and the wheel barrel, and will scratched up the wheel. The myth on having a pebble trapped between the disk and the pad would ruin the disc is unfounded. Ceramic discs are as hard as diamond, so any rocks, stones, pebbles that got trapped would be grounded to dust. Never seen a scratched ceramic disc, but I have seen plenty of scratched wheel barrels. 

     


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    Re: 992 GT3

    996FourEss:

    Sorry if this is a redundant question, but for the chaps that track their cars here, what is latest thinking re steel brakes vs ceramics? Does the above change it at all? FWIW, I ordered steel ones on my GT4 b/c thought this was the conventional thinking if you wanted to go on track at some point.  I am lined up to do the Precision Driving course in June and the two day Master-class in Sept, will start to try the whole track thing there-after. So obviously can’t change the GT4 selection, BUT, if  I did get a crack at a GT3 build (or win the lottery!), should I go with the ceramics or stick with the steel like I did on the GT4. Thanks in advance

    If you track and costs are part of the equation, there is no hesitation. Steel. You will not be slower because of them and you will never worry about them.  I would say 90% of the track guys use them Some who start with the PCCB change  them for steel.

    If you only track 2 or 3 days a year, then PCCB would probably be good too. Giving you a lighter front and some extra bite. 


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    Re: 992 GT3

    Gnil:

    Would this extra breaking power not be the same as when I change for better pads and get extra breaking power ?

    more braking power at the front is not an issue at all. more braking capacity at the rear is dangerous, this is why Manthey recommends to only swap front pads and maintain the original rear ones to avoid unbalance in the braking. No worries if it fits, I would give it a try. I will ask Manthey Smiley


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    Re: 992 GT3

    Gnil:
    Grant:
    Gnil:
     

    Finally ! Smiley  I wonder if the new disks could fit on the 991 models ? 

    They would probably fit, but I think the bias (front/rear balance) could be off.  On the 991, both front and rear are the same 380mm.  Here, the rear is still 380mm, but the front is nearly 30mm larger diameter which will shift more braking torque to the front.  I am not sure if there is some other change in the 992 to offset this change (possibly piston sizes in the calipers or a valve in the braking circuit, maybe).

    Also, you would need to add a spacer to mount the front calipers, so it will fit over the larger front rotors (like you do if you use PCCB rotors on red calipers).


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    Would this extra breaking power not be the same as when I change for better pads and get extra breaking power ?

     

    It’s as if you change to pads on the front with more friction, but not on the rear...

    The potential issue is you run into the ABS, before you would if the brake balance was better matched front and rear.  I don’t know if this is a problem, but worth considering or inquiring...
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    Same here, had both and I will be ordering the steel brakes on my incoming GT3....


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    Interesting debate. I've gone both ways, had PCCB on the 997 RS and put Cup-steel replacement discs with Manthey Pagid pads on that one. Worked perfectly and was cheap to replace, did wear out relatively quickly but no issues with endurance on track. There's an obvious weight penalty going down that route however.

    On the 991 GT3 I had and kept the PCCB discs and started on the full OEM setup, where I did feel the limiting factor of the OEM pads + fluid at Imola. Pedal getting longer after hard use and grumbling noise. This was then switched to Manthey/Pagid pads for PCCB with DOT 5.1 fluid and that held up perfectly for my use. Discs were still good at 40k km when I sold the car so I had minimal additional costs with that setup, aside from the extra when speccing of course. Was it worth that extra, difficult to quantify but I enjoyed not having to look after replacing discs. The weight benefit is mostly between the ears, but good to know nonetheless.


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    Quicker than Pista and 765LT, damn...  https://www.instagram.com/p/CO-8nMCCqBn/?igshid=elffr40id4y0


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    Porker:

    Quicker than Pista and 765LT, damn...  https://www.instagram.com/p/CO-8nMCCqBn/?igshid=elffr40id4y0

    Nice!  Here is the full list of cars on that track:

    Hockenheim GP lap times - FastestLaps.com


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    Grant:
    Porker:

    Quicker than Pista and 765LT, damn...  https://www.instagram.com/p/CO-8nMCCqBn/?igshid=elffr40id4y0

    Nice!  Here is the full list of cars on that track:

    Hockenheim GP lap times - FastestLaps.com

    It's less headline grabbing knowing the older 720S is still ahead SmileySmiley


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    Porker:
    Grant:
    Porker:

    Quicker than Pista and 765LT, damn...  https://www.instagram.com/p/CO-8nMCCqBn/?igshid=elffr40id4y0

    Nice!  Here is the full list of cars on that track:

    Hockenheim GP lap times - FastestLaps.com

    It's less headline grabbing knowing the older 720S is still ahead SmileySmiley

    Yeah, why is the 765LT slower than 720S?


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    if 992GT3 is already so fast at Hockenheim, then how much better will 992GT3RS be? angel


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    Re: 992 GT3

    Targa Tim:

    if 992GT3 is already so fast at Hockenheim, then how much better will 992GT3RS be? angel

    Following the McLaren analogy, it will be slower. Smiley


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    Porker:

    Quicker than Pista and 765LT, damn...  https://www.instagram.com/p/CO-8nMCCqBn/?igshid=elffr40id4y0

    Impressive given the difference in engines. So much for, what some used to say, having the engine on the wrong place Smiley



     
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