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    Caught outside the Geneva show

    Found these pics - GT silver with the 20" wheel option.

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    Re: Caught outside the Geneva show

    IMO this car is ugly very very ugly Smiley

    Smiley


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    mikigta:

    IMO this car is ugly very very ugly Smiley

    Smiley


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          +1    couldn't agree more !!  


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    Same here, especially in this particular colour. Smiley
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    Rossi:
    Same here, especially in this particular colour. Smiley
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            Maybe in black.... maybe.... Anyway i prefer all the other cars of that segment S-class, A8, Lexus etc etc... Maserati is in another leagueSmiley


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    Enmanuel:
    mikigta:

    IMO this car is ugly very very ugly Smiley

    Smiley


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          +1    couldn't agree more !!  


            Yes It's big and odd and awkward. Those are the first real world shots i have seen and it is just Smiley

     

    I think you need to be a guy who would wear a fur hood and carry a purse like in the pic to be happy diving this thing around.Smiley


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    Guys, just lay back and relax. Nobody of you have ever seen a Panamera in person.

    So first time you see it, please don´t stay breathless. The car is so sexy.  


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    I have to say its growing on me!!!...those bbs style 20¨ wheels look great !!!!..
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    OMFG 20" rims that looks way too small... this is not good, why is she so damn fat???Smiley

    NO BODY likes fat...

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    Re: Caught outside the Geneva show

    ALDO:

    So first time you see it, please don´t stay breathless. The car is so sexy.  


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    Joking, right? Smiley

    Sexy? No way. Breathless? Never.


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    I can't help but feel like I'm looking at two very distinct cars glued together.

    Awkward would be the best way to describe the car when viewed from an angle that shows the front and rear together. 


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    Rossi:
    ALDO:

    So first time you see it, please don´t stay breathless. The car is so sexy.  


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    Joking, right? Smiley

    Sexy? No way. Breathless? Never.


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    Not joking - I´m serious. My opinion is, that the car looks far better then 612. Am I the only one who has seen the car in person?

    I don´t want to speak about performance - Nordschleife Panamera turbo under 8 minutes Smiley


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    ALDO:
    Rossi:
    ALDO:

    So first time you see it, please don´t stay breathless. The car is so sexy.  


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    AM


    Joking, right? Smiley

    Sexy? No way. Breathless? Never.


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    Not joking - I´m serious. My opinion is, that the car looks far better then 612. Am I the only one who has seen the car in person?

    I don´t want to speak about performance - Nordschleife Panamera turbo under 8 minutes Smiley


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    ALDO tell me more!Smiley


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    Very telling pictures, looks like drivers will need to take 3 passengers with them at all times, to hop out and help guide this boat in and out of parking spaces. Smiley

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    WR has driven the Panamera turbo under 8 minutes. Porsche had the same day Audi RS6, BMW M5 and BMW M6. The Panamera was the fastest car. 

    The secret is, that the Panamera has a very strong chassis and AWD. The car doesn´t get weak.  


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    ALDO:

    WR has driven the Panamera turbo under 8 minutes. Porsche had the same day Audi RS6, BMW M5 and BMW M6. The Panamera was the fastest car. 

    The secret is, that the Panamera has a very strong chassis and AWD. The car doesn´t get weak.  


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    That was pretty much expected as the Panamera's sole reason for existant is to beat the M5 and make sure that 911 owners who want to trade down for a more practical car, don't have to look elsewhere for a performance sedan. Porsche have said that the Panamera is far better around the ring than most sports cars so I expected the Turbo to be faster than the AMV8, R8, F430 and 997S in all performance categories.


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    Panamera Turbo faster than a F430 seems to be a little overoptimistic. I assume the Ring time is around 997.2 S level?Smiley


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    I think the back fender/bumper line should have looked like this, and with smaller changed taillights.  Those taillights are huge, to rounded, and uuuuugly Smiley


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    irehab:

    Panamera Turbo faster than a F430 seems to be a little overoptimistic. I

    assume the Ring time is around 997.2 S level?Smiley

    Ring times :

    Ferrari F430 F1 with sport tyres: 7.55

    Porsche Carrera S PDK with sport tyres:7.50

    Source: German Sport Auto magazine.

    Conclusion:"what glitters is not gold"




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    what is the F430 time without sport tyres?
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    ALDO:
    what is the F430 time without sport tyres?
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        No, both mit Sportreifen!   


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    reginos:
    irehab:

    Panamera Turbo faster than a F430 seems to be a little overoptimistic. I

    assume the Ring time is around 997.2 S level?Smiley

    Ring times :

    Ferrari F430 F1 with sport tyres: 7.55

    Porsche Carrera S PDK with sport tyres:7.50

    Source: German Sport Auto magazine.

    Conclusion:"what glitters is not gold"




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    Test date of these two particular cars? Smiley

    F430 and 997.2 are two different stages of development, F430 goes back to the nineties, can't really compare them. Take the successor and compare it to the current Porsche range, then we talk again.

    Sometimes I find your Porschephile arrogance rather annoying. Smiley


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    Rossi:
    reginos:
    irehab:

    Panamera Turbo faster than a F430 seems to be a little overoptimistic. I

    assume the Ring time is around 997.2 S level?Smiley

    Ring times :

    Ferrari F430 F1 with sport tyres: 7.55

    Porsche Carrera S PDK with sport tyres:7.50

    Source: German Sport Auto magazine.

    Conclusion:"what glitters is not gold"




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    Test date of these two particular cars? Smiley

    F430 and 997.2 are two different stages of development, F430 goes back to the nineties, can't really compare them. Take the successor and compare it to the current Porsche range, then we talk again.

    Sometimes I find your Porschephile arrogance rather annoying. Smiley


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    Well Porsche don't lie. Several months back they said that the Panamera is a four door sports car and indeed the performance figures support that claim. Further more they have mentioned that the car is faster around the ring than some sportscars and if you ask any car enthusiast, sports cars start at 997S, AMV8, R8 and F430. Which suggest to me that the Panamera Turbo is seriously fast, and it is indeed priced like a sports car too. Bare in mind that Porsche has worked very long on developing the car and performance is where all the engery was put, too bad they didn't spare enough time on the design.But with semi-racing tires I predict that the Panamera can rival some serious sports cars around the track.

    Here are some sport auto figures:

    Porsche 997 GT3 ----------------------------------------- 7.48 min (R compound tires)
    Corvette C6 Z06 ------------------------------------------ 7.49 min
    Lamborghini Murciélago -------------------------------- 7.50 min
    BMW M3 CSL -------------------------------------------- 7.50 min
    Porsche 997S (facelift) ------------------------------------ 7.50 min (semi-R-tires)
    Ford GT -------------------------------------------------- 7.52 min
    Lamborghini Gallardo ----------------------------------- 7.52 min
    Mercedes SLR ------------------------------------------- 7.52 min
    Porsche 997 Turbo ---------------------------- 7.54 min (semi-R-tires)
    Porsche 911 GT3 (2003) ------------------------------- 7.54 min
    Mercedes CLK-DTM ------------------------------------- 7.54 min (R-tires)
    Ferrari F430 ------------------------------------------- 7.55 min
    Porsche 996 Turbo (420hp) ---------------------------- 7.56 min
    Ferrari 360 CS ------------------------------------------- 7.56 min
    BMW M6 AC Schnitz. Tensi. (552hp) --------------------------- 7.57 min (R-tires)
    Lotec-Porsche 993 BiTurbo (1998) --------------------- 7.57 min
    Porsche 911 GT3 (old) ---------------------------------- 8.03 min
    Aston Martin DBS --------------------------------- 8.02 min
    Aston Martin V8 Vantage --------------------------------- 8.03 min (R-tires)
    Lamborghini Diablo GT --------------------------------- 8.04 min
    Audi R8 -------------------------------------------------- 8.04 min (R compound tires)
    Mercedes CLK63 B.S ------------------------------------ 8.05 min (R compound tires)
    BMW M3 E92 --------------- ----------------------------- 8.05 min (R compound tires)
    Porsche Carrera S (997) -------------------------------- 8.05 min
    Ferrari 575M --------------------------------------------- 8.05 min
    Ferrari 550M --------------------------------------------- 8.07 min
    BMW M6 -------------------------------------------------- 8.09 min


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    Sport Auto times and dates

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    Re: Caught outside the Geneva show

    Rossi:
    reginos:
    irehab:

    Panamera Turbo faster than a F430 seems to be a little overoptimistic. I

    assume the Ring time is around 997.2 S level?Smiley

    Ring times :

    Ferrari F430 F1 with sport tyres: 7.55

    Porsche Carrera S PDK with sport tyres:7.50

    Source: German Sport Auto magazine.

    Conclusion:"what glitters is not gold"




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    Test date of these two particular cars? Smiley

    F430 and 997.2 are two different stages of development, F430 goes back to the nineties, can't really compare them. Take the successor and compare it to the current Porsche range, then we talk again.

    Sometimes I find your Porschephile arrogance rather annoying. Smiley


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    Both are the current cars from the respective manufacturers. The new F car will come soon but so will the new PDK Turbo and then the 991 in 2 years time etc etc.

    If the F430 is 90s design the 997 is 60s designSmiley so IMO this is not relevant.

    And it is not a matter of being Porschephile or not. I happen to favour substance and facts over myths, hype and show off  in cars and in everything else.


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    We all how much sport tyres has influence on the time. Knowing this I find a Panamera turbo with normal tyres only 3-4 seconds slower then F430 with sport tyres is a good - an excellent result.
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    Regarding Sport Auto Ring times few things needs to be cleared:

    -since May 2008 some sectors of the Ring are resurfaced. Therefor you CA NOT compare times measured till 04/2008 with the one measured from 05/2008

    -example: Auto Bild Sportscar edition tested R8 with normal Pirelli P Zero tires and Sascha Bert achieved 8.01min without any problem. Even one sector was partially damp... So, it Bert that much better drive then HvS? I do not think so, just he achieved better time. Tom Kristenssen unofficial Ring time for R8 4.2 FSI is 7.50min with Corsa tires, HvS was way of that mark, Bert on the other hand was pretty good...

    -IMHO Panamera 7.58min Ring time in Rohrl hands is as valid as GT-Rs 7.29min in Suzuki's hands... So, there is something common between GT-R and Panamera die hard fans-they are true belivers.


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    reginos:

    Both are the current cars from the respective manufacturers. The new F car will come soon but so will the new PDK Turbo and then the 991 in 2 years time etc etc.

    If the F430 is 90s design the 997 is 60s designSmiley so IMO this is not relevant.

    And it is not a matter of being Porschephile or not. I happen to favour substance and facts over myths, hype and show off  in cars and in everything else.

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    Read my post properly. I did say nothing about design, I was talking about stages of development, that's a huge difference.

    Also you have to take into account, that the development of tyres changes a lot over the years. So it's rather useless to compare a test from 2005 with one from 2008. And then there's the problem with the Ring itself, as Kreso already described.



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    OK it seems that with cars,as with politics I am afraid, everything can be argued either way depending on whose side you are on.

    However, even if we take into account everything you and Kreso mention above as mitigating factors for the F car's time, the time is too slow for the configuration of this car (too performance/racing focussed, mid-engined, high output engine, dimensions), its very high price and reputation.

    Some more recent times:

    Gallardo LP 560-4 11/08 7.52 w/o sportreifen

    Scuderia 07/08 7.39.

    What do you think F430 F1 with sportreifen, most recent time would be? Just below 7.50 perhaps? Still too slow given the the type of car it is or wants us to believe it is.


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    Emperor:
    Rossi:
    reginos:
    irehab:

    Panamera Turbo faster than a F430 seems to be a little overoptimistic. I

    assume the Ring time is around 997.2 S level?Smiley

    Ring times :

    Ferrari F430 F1 with sport tyres: 7.55

    Porsche Carrera S PDK with sport tyres:7.50

    Source: German Sport Auto magazine.

    Conclusion:"what glitters is not gold"




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    The secret of life is to admire without desiring.


    Well Porsche don't lie. Several months back they said that the Panamera is a four door sports car and indeed the performance figures support that claim. Further more they have mentioned that the car is faster around the ring than some sportscars and if you ask any car enthusiast, sports cars start at 997S, AMV8, R8 and F430. Which suggest to me that the Panamera Turbo is seriously fast, and it is indeed priced like a sports car too. Bare in mind that Porsche has worked very long on developing the car and performance is where all the engery was put, too bad they didn't spare enough time on the design.But with semi-racing tires I predict that the Panamera can rival some serious sports cars around the track.

    Here are some sport auto figures:

    Porsche 997 GT3 ----------------------------------------- 7.48 min (R compound tires)
    Corvette C6 Z06 ------------------------------------------ 7.49 min
    Lamborghini Murciélago -------------------------------- 7.50 min
    BMW M3 CSL -------------------------------------------- 7.50 min
    Porsche 997S (facelift) ------------------------------------ 7.50 min (semi-R-tires)
    Ford GT -------------------------------------------------- 7.52 min
    Lamborghini Gallardo ----------------------------------- 7.52 min
    Mercedes SLR ------------------------------------------- 7.52 min
    Porsche 997 Turbo ---------------------------- 7.54 min (semi-R-tires)
    Porsche 911 GT3 (2003) ------------------------------- 7.54 min
    Mercedes CLK-DTM ------------------------------------- 7.54 min (R-tires)
    Ferrari F430 ------------------------------------------- 7.55 min
    Porsche 996 Turbo (420hp) ---------------------------- 7.56 min
    Ferrari 360 CS ------------------------------------------- 7.56 min
    BMW M6 AC Schnitz. Tensi. (552hp) --------------------------- 7.57 min (R-tires)
    Lotec-Porsche 993 BiTurbo (1998) --------------------- 7.57 min
    Porsche 911 GT3 (old) ---------------------------------- 8.03 min
    Aston Martin DBS --------------------------------- 8.02 min
    Aston Martin V8 Vantage --------------------------------- 8.03 min (R-tires)
    Lamborghini Diablo GT --------------------------------- 8.04 min
    Audi R8 -------------------------------------------------- 8.04 min (R compound tires)
    Mercedes CLK63 B.S ------------------------------------ 8.05 min (R compound tires)
    BMW M3 E92 --------------- ----------------------------- 8.05 min (R compound tires)
    Porsche Carrera S (997) -------------------------------- 8.05 min
    Ferrari 575M --------------------------------------------- 8.05 min
    Ferrari 550M --------------------------------------------- 8.07 min
    BMW M6 -------------------------------------------------- 8.09 min


            Why all best Porsche time are made with R compound tires? And what means semi R tires? Excuse my ignorance please.... Smiley


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