Closebluelines:I don’t want a GT3. Everyone and their grandmother have a GT3.
When we meet i take you for a drive in my Bessie. It will WOW you, buddy 
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Feb 8, 2021 10:28:02 AM
Feb 8, 2021 11:54:07 AM
bluelines:I don’t want a GT3. Everyone and their grandmother have a GT3.
This is exactly what my son said a couple of weeks ago... 
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RC:bluelines:I don’t want a GT3. Everyone and their grandmother have a GT3.
This is exactly what my son said a couple of weeks ago...
Not in the UK
UK total GT3 count was around 600 
. Building more but still not enough
Even during this damn pandemic, you can still get your money back, and some. The demand is shocking.
I use mine and I have yet to see another being used out on the road. They are all in garages on trickle chargers.
Owners even change summer tyres to winter ones still, why 
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AP911:The only GT3 I see here is mine
, makes me feel special.
23,000km of joy so far and counting. It is special
Whats the point in buying one, to just put it in the garage.
Same with the GT4, not many out, just the occasional one outside a beauty parlour.
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The GT3 is a great car, but not what I want nor what I “need” 
Since I put winter tires on the GT4 the car is far from a garage queen. Drove in to work this morning at 4:15am. Not a car on the road. Slamming in the gears and letting that flat 6 howl like a wolf at dawn 
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bluelines:throt:Same with the GT4, not many out, just the occasional one outside a beauty parlour.
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bluelines:The GT3 is a great car, but not what I want nor what I “need”
Since I put winter tires on the GT4 the car is far from a garage queen. Drove in to work this morning at 4:15am. Not a car on the road. Slamming in the gears and letting that flat 6 howl like a wolf at dawn
If i didn't work from home I would love that. Early start, quiet roads, giving it the beans, I envy you
How many miles did you cover in the white little bastard ?
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Topspeed:GT4 PDK
Be aware that with the PDK version the 718 GT4/Spyder/GTS 4.0 that it adds 68 pounds (31 kg) of weight behind the rear axle (for those mid-engine people who want the mass inside the wheelbase)...
This is a much bigger weight penalty than in the GT3 (35 pounds or 16 kg) in front of the rear axle, since the Manual in the 718 is lighter than the one in the GT3 that shares its outer case with the PDK.
This is why after launch (PDK is better at launching) the Manual is slightly faster than PDK in a straight line (and track times should not favor the PDK much if at all on many tracks). I've seen a couple lap time comparisons and it's very close with the Manual actually being slightly faster at Hockenheim.
Porsche was worried about this result, so they gave the PDK version a little more torque than the Manual. But, I think they were a little too stingy - more power was needed to really even the field (but they wanted to make a bigger hp gap to the GT4 RS that is coming).
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18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
Update - I was informed that the PDK and Manual laps were not made on same day or time of year, so comparison may not be totally reliable. Will update numbers if I find more reliable ones...
18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
bluelines:So in short, PDK does not fix the gearing
It is improved in terms of shortening it a bit, but the real benefit of a 7-speed is to make the gears closer together which the PDK does not do much in this case (7th gear is not useful for performance in this case). If they packed 7 gears into the range of the Manual 6spd it could have been a big improvement with respect to gearing (they saved money by just using the regular PDK from the 718 and shortening 7th gear a bit, but top speed is still in 6th).
I really hope they address this properly with the GT4 RS (but I'm worried they'll keep using the same 7 gears with a lower Final Drive, assuming the redline is higher).
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18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
Grant:Topspeed:GT4 PDK
Be aware that with the PDK version the 718 GT4/Spyder/GTS 4.0 that it adds 68 pounds (31 kg) of weight behind the rear axle (for those mid-engine people who want the mass inside the wheelbase)...
This is a much bigger weight penalty than in the GT3 (35 pounds or 16 kg) in front of the rear axle, since the Manual in the 718 is lighter than the one in the GT3 that shares its outer case with the PDK.
This is why after launch (PDK is better at launching) the Manual is slightly faster than PDK in a straight line (and track times should not favor the PDK much if at all on many tracks). I've seen a couple lap time comparisons and it's very close with the Manual actually being slightly faster at Hockenheim.
Porsche was worried about this result, so they gave the PDK version a little more torque than the Manual. But, I think they were a little too stingy - more power was needed to really even the field (but they wanted to make a bigger hp gap to the GT4 RS that is coming).
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18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
Absolutely classic. Porsche just can’t help themselves when it comes to their mid-engine products... Tweak this, adjust that, but whatever they do, they won’t build the best car they can. When it comes to mid-engine, Porsche is a cynical marketing firm, not a sports car manufacturer. I’m saying it here - not another dollar from me, ever.
Feb 25, 2021 7:34:20 AM
Feb 25, 2021 7:48:09 AM
DaveGordon:Also seems to me that it’s just the standard PDK from the normal range, not a PDK-S as they fit to GT3/RS?
Yes, but isn't PDK-S just a software update mixed with marketing waffle? *hiding*
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Feb 25, 2021 8:02:18 AM
GT4 and GTS 4.0 share the same manual gearbox? Does anybody know?
this guy says it is different
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fcfvqPGCg8&t=415s
wantone:GT4 and GTS 4.0 share the same manual gearbox? Does anybody know?
this guy says it is different
As I understand all Boxsters and Caymans share the same Audi based 6-speed Getrag gearbox all the way back from the 987. There were some minor changes done by Getrag over the years, but mechanically I read somewhere that they are all the same.
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bluelines:DaveGordon:Also seems to me that it’s just the standard PDK from the normal range, not a PDK-S as they fit to GT3/RS?
Yes, but isn't PDK-S just a software update mixed with marketing waffle? *hiding*
It's regular PDK with 7th gear made a little shorter (but top speed still in 6th).
18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
wantone:GT4 and GTS 4.0 share the same manual gearbox? Does anybody know?
this guy says it is different
The gearbox is identical, but I think the shifter on the GT4/Spyder has a shorter throw (due to different geometry in the external mechanism).
18 GT3 Manual, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi
Grant:bluelines:DaveGordon:Also seems to me that it’s just the standard PDK from the normal range, not a PDK-S as they fit to GT3/RS?
Yes, but isn't PDK-S just a software update mixed with marketing waffle? *hiding*
It's regular PDK with 7th gear made a little shorter (but top speed still in 6th).
Wow!
I thought it also got a different software with more “aggressive” shifting?
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