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    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    @zmeulzmeilor:
     

     

    if you fancy go through above text and work out the details.

    personally i cannot be bothered


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    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Jesus you are feeling the troll !!!!!!!!!

    @zmeulzmeilor:

    just go to your BMW dealer's parts department, ask them to pull up the parts list for a S63 engine and compare it with the N63 engine list and check off all the differences.

    Or, if you are lazy and just want to stay on your computer instead of going out, you can go to www.realoem.com and pull up the parts list yourself for S63 and N63 engine and compare the differences. I can start you off with a dangling carrot:

    N63 engine short block, N63B44A, S63 engine short block, S63B44A,.

    There is also a price difference of over $5000US on a re-manufactured version.

    Then you can go ahead and cross check the cylinder heads, pistons, crankshafts, intake, exhaust, etc.

    Make a list up to see which parts are common and which are different.

    Then post the list up here on Rennteam to show us your effort in proving the two engines are the same according to YOU.

    This is your homework for the weekend, we will grade you on a scale of 0-100, with an extra bonus 20 for effort, another 20 for neatness, and 10 more for formatting.

    We patiently awaits your results.

     

     


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday


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    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Oh wham, I love this. Excellent post Whoopsy

    I look forward to Monday's "comeback" though i am not holding my breath.


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 


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    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    intouch1:

    turbocharger, on my x6 50i i had the engine light come on several times, it was diagnosed to be bad fuel. the 50i i had imported from the usa.

    on my x6m sourced from the local dealer and with europe/mid-east calibration i never had this problem.

    maybe it's a coincidence, but i do believe that the engines or sensors are calibrated slightly different for their respective markets.

    on the order of my sls and c63 i could spec 'inferior fuel location'


    I don't think its the fuel, mine was 97 RON not the best and I only had this problem if I kickdown from low RPM


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Turbocharger:
    intouch1:

    turbocharger, on my x6 50i i had the engine light come on several times, it was diagnosed to be bad fuel. the 50i i had imported from the usa.

    on my x6m sourced from the local dealer and with europe/mid-east calibration i never had this problem.

    maybe it's a coincidence, but i do believe that the engines or sensors are calibrated slightly different for their respective markets.

    on the order of my sls and c63 i could spec 'inferior fuel location'


    I don't think its the fuel, mine was 97 RON not the best and I only had this problem if I kickdown from low RPM

    Kickdown at low RPM represents a "full load" engine operating condition, which is exactly when a problem due to inadequate fuel quality (preignition="knocking") would manifest  itself. 


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    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Turbocharger:
    intouch1:

    turbocharger, on my x6 50i i had the engine light come on several times, it was diagnosed to be bad fuel. the 50i i had imported from the usa.

    on my x6m sourced from the local dealer and with europe/mid-east calibration i never had this problem.

    maybe it's a coincidence, but i do believe that the engines or sensors are calibrated slightly different for their respective markets.

    on the order of my sls and c63 i could spec 'inferior fuel location'


    I don't think its the fuel, mine was 97 RON not the best and I only had this problem if I kickdown from low RPM

     

    Fuel problem is not limited to octane rating, it's could also be dirty fuel, dirt clog up the fuel fuel filter preventing smooth delivery of fuel to the engine. You could be using 100 octane and still has this problem if those 100 octane fuel can't get to the engine.

    Seeing you are in the Middle East, could it be sand contaminated fuel? Even just one grain of sand can clog enough of the fuel line to prevent enough fuel from getting to the engine.


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    I see, then I can't rule out fuel I guess, but still I think there is other factors that cause this problem


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Turbocharger:
    koko:
    Turbocharger:
    RC:

    Honestly speaking: I think your dealer is just too dumb to find the problem. No offense meant.

    My X5 M has almost 12000 km so far. Driven very very hard(my wife says I'm crazy that I'm driving a SUV that way Smiley but I didn't drive the Cayenne differently), sometimes also at top speed (now 294 kph on the speedo, real speed around 280 kph) due to the M Driver's package. The car never had a single problem, it is just perfect, the most reliable BMW I ever owned. I used launch control only twice, there isn't really a need for it because the car is really lightning fast from standstill, even without launch control.

    Just make sure you give this beast the right quality of fuel...Shell V Power all the way for my turbo charged engines. Always.

     


    sure they are, and I'm glad that yours never had this problem

    but I gave up on the car for various of reasons and went for a cayenne turbo

    I thought you guys have a great BMW dealer in Doha?

    I thought you knew otherwise from your smileys Smiley

    they aren't so great if they tell me to live with the engine fault


    Actually, RC's comment about the dealer being dump made me laugh, I believe there's many dumb dealers out there. I just didn't know that yours was in Doha. I was surprised  cause A bunch of my friends speaks highly of BMW Qatar,

    Anyway, if you've contacted bmw med east they could have solved your problem but  I guess you had your eyes on the Cayenne.Smiley
     


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Turbocharger:

    I see, then I can't rule out fuel I guess, but still I think there is other factors that cause this problem

     

    Fuel should be the first suspect. Checking fuel filter would almost be the first step after checking fuel octane.

    Next step would be checking electronics.

    Then finally the target is the engine itself.

    But like koko said, you alwasy had your eyes on the Cayenne and this just gave you the perfect excuse Smiley


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    shhhhh Smiley


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Ferdie:

     I second that Smiley


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    :bow:

     

    P.S. RC: We need a bow emo here.


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    OMG Whoopsy! Right on the money! Smiley


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    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Hey RC, I think I just beat up someone bad enough that he went into hiding, Sorry :p

    I hope you don't get mad at me for dropping your membership count by one.


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Do not rattle his cage.....


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    throt

    "I didn't do it"


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Like i said, i wasn't holding my breath after Whoopsy's epic post


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Turbocharger:

    I see, then I can't rule out fuel I guess, but still I think there is other factors that cause this problem

      ...read correctly all error codes FIRST... Smiley

    Use the code reader/scan tool at the dealer (verify the dealer) or get somewhere else....Buy scan tool, carry it in a car. When car reports an error before rebooting a car, read YOURSELF correctly all the error codes... 

     

     


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Whoopsy:

    Hey RC, I think I just beat up someone bad enough that he went into hiding, Sorry :p

    I hope you don't get mad at me for dropping your membership count by one.

     

    Never mind. If somebody asks for it...well... Smiley

    The funny thing is actually: I was actually thinking the same about the X5/X6 M engine until a BMW engineer put me straight.

    Dealers talk a lot, especially when they want to sell cars. When I asked my dealer about technical details, he actually didn't have a clue. I don't know how they train these people but sometimes I get the feeling that the sales persons couldn't care less about the products they sell. Especially when I buy a Porsche or a BMW M model, I need to feel passion from the sales person, he needs to be excited about the product. Unfortunately, in 90% of my encounters, this isn't true. 


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    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    rc, what were you thinking ?


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    Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you.

    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Did I read right that this car will only do 0-100kmh in 4.5s? Not that the ton is a great measure these days, but my E63 does similar time with a lot less power and more weight. Is traction off the line that is the issue? If BMW release a touring version, I will buy one for the wife. :)

    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    i doubt it. the xm does 4.6....


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    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    X6M with Akrapovic exhaust, I reckon at best, the M5 could sound similar to this

     


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    intouch1:

    i doubt it. the xm does 4.6....


    I read it from here. http://www.ausmotive.com/2011/04/08/m5-watch-performance-specs-revealed.html Maybe it's traction? As we know from being X5/6M owners, the AWD system grips pretty well in this car when launching!

    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    Also depends on how one counts the seconds, some do it the moment the car starts moving, but the Americans do it differently, they use rollout timing. The time doesn't start whe nthe car start moving, the time on starts when the front wheel clears the timing light.

     


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    that sounds even more 4-cylinder than stock exhaust.....


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    Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you.

    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

      I dont like it to much!


    Re: BMW will officially unveil the 2012 BMW M5 this Friday

    What happened to the vents/bulge in the bonnet?, M3 has them and look okay and relevant to the M.


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    throt

    "I didn't do it"


     
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