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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    No offense but we are off topic why?


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:

    No offense but we are off topic why?

    Blame the R8...as always. Smiley


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    "Porsche 911 Chief Talks Philosophy and Future, Including a Plug-In Model" (Car and Driver)

    (30 January 2018)

    While Porsche is still cranking out new versions and derivatives of the current 911, known by its code name of 991 among aficionados, its 992 successor isn’t that far away anymore. We expect it will hit the market in late 2019 as a 2020 model. So we sat down with the 911’s chief engineer, August Achleitner, to discuss the model’s present and future. Inevitably, the unforeseen success of the 911 R came up; prices on the used-car market have raced toward $1.2 million, more than five times the factory sticker price.

    In an earlier conversation, Achleitner told us that the 911 R has taught Porsche a lesson: Customers who don’t race their cars don’t necessarily care about the final tenth of a second on the racetrack. They care about authenticity and driver involvement. Bringing back the manual transmission to the GT3 was a first response to this observation. And a new derivative gets even closer to the 911 R: the 911 GT3 with the Touring package. But it’s not quite the same as an R, lacking some of the ultra-expensive lightweight components. And because of the different aerodynamic package, it’s probably not quite on the level of a regular GT3 at ultra-high speeds. There is less downforce, but not so much less that you’d notice the difference on public roads at even remotely legal velocities.

    The naturally aspirated engine is part of the GT3’s DNA, Achleitner tells us, but the decision on turbocharging (or not) is driven by racing. If regulation favors turbos, Porsche will make the switch in order to remain competitive. On the 911 RSR race car, Porsche has even reversed the engine position for aerodynamic reasons, turning the 911 into a mid-engined car. But that won’t happen to the 992 series production car, says Achleitner. Having two extra seats in the rear is a key selling point for the 911, especially in its home market.

    The manual transmission will remain available, and it will keep the seven speeds. It wouldn’t make much sense to fit regular 911 models with the GT3’s six-speed box: It’s essentially the same gearbox anyway, supplied by ZF and related to the seven-speed dual-clutch automatic. Porsche will allow customers to disable the automated rev-match function in the future, though. It’s another example of perfectionism going a bit too far, depriving customers of the satisfaction of their own perfectly executed heel-and-toe shift. Perhaps BMW M should take note of this praiseworthy decision.

    As far as body variations are concerned, don’t expect any changes for the 992. Besides the coupe and the cabriolet, the Targa is exceeding Porsche’s expectations. And that means its complex and heavy technology will carry over as well; unlike 911s up to the 964 generation (through 1994), which featured a manually removable midsection, the current Targa is based on the cabriolet and adds more weight for a powered retracting roof. Customers love it.

    Last year Porsche seemed to make clear that a hybrid version of the 911 was off the plate, but that decision has been reversed. The 992 is being engineered with a plug-in hybrid derivative, to be launched after the regular models. Achleitner is guarded on the details, but he says that the 992’s hybrid system will not be shared with the Panamera and Cayenne but inspired by the 919 Hybrid LMP1-H race car.

    He is unequivocal on one point, however: There won’t be a four-cylinder 911 in the 992 generation, a matter of speculation from some quarters given the performance of the four-cylinder 718. Achleitner says that isn’t happening, though. The venerable 912, for the time being, will remain without a successor.

    Link: https://blog.caranddriver.com/porsche-911-chief-talks-philosophy-and-future-including-a-plug-in-model/


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    Last year Porsche seemed to make clear that a hybrid version of the 911 was off the plate, but that decision has been reversed. The 992 is being engineered with a plug-in hybrid derivative, to be launched after the regular models. Achleitner is guarded on the details, but he says that the 992’s hybrid system will not be shared with the Panamera and Cayenne but inspired by the 919 Hybrid LMP1-H race car.

    The hybrid tech was never off the plate on Rennteam. indecision 

    I am only curious if this will be part of the new Carrera models as well or only limited to the Turbo/S and some other models. 


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Going mild hybrid is the better option. Especially if Porsche is moving to the 48V system.

    It doesn't need a big battery, so less weight and packaging concerns.

     


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    thanks for posting Car and Driver article Boxster Coupe GTS... wonder why it says end of 2019 as a 2020 model?  where everywhere else it's pointing to end of this year.

     

     


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    RC:
    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:

    No offense but we are off topic why?

    Blame the R8...as always. Smiley

    I suck at photoshop but i did try on Paint :P Any close i´am?

    next-gen-porsche-911-cabriolet-spy-shots (9).jpg
    next-gen-porsche-911-cabriolet-spy-shots (8).jpg
    aporsche_911_turbo_001_.jpg


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:

    I suck at photoshop but i did try on Paint :P Any close i´am?

    Oh man... not only do you suck at photoshop... you also suck at paint! Smiley
    Haha sorry mate, couldn't help myself... just kidding of course.

    I think the back doesn't hold too many surprises, you should be quite right. It's the lower back and the front that we'll have to wait for. I am ready to be disappointed though, am expecting an abundance of unnecessary design curves and misaligned directional clusters. And then, after a few years, we'll all love it :-)


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    SmileyJoost:
    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:

    I suck at photoshop but i did try on Paint :P Any close i´am?

    am expecting an abundance of unnecessary design curves and misaligned directional clusters. And then, after a few years, we'll all love it :-)

    Don’t you rather mean that after a few years comes the .2 and fixes all the extra cluster and misaligned parts Smiley

     


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Don't really see it in the coupe versions, but that 992 cab prototype seems to have a thicker ass. 

    The top lines of the rear deck is noticeably taller than any 911s before. More bulbous I should say. 

     

     


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    Yeah, i do Suck!!!

    LOL

    It´s been quite a while since we last talked Joost!!! Glad to see you Alive & Kicking my friend!!!

    Regards!!!!


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Blame RC R8 for my horrible Paint "photoshop"

    LOL


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    I wasn’t much intersted in the 997 or 991 but everything to read about the 992 seems to indicate it will be an even less interesting car in non GT form. Silly hybrid, bigger, heavier, maybe even less noise with the particle filter and marginal hp increases...


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    You´re an Air Cool guy like myself?

    The F....!!!!!

    Dude, we are being hunted !!

    Love you SciFrog!!! LOL

    Best Regards from Azores, Portugal and Paulo Rangel Melo


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Whoopsy:

    Going mild hybrid is the better option. Especially if Porsche is moving to the 48V system.

    It doesn't need a big battery, so less weight and packaging concerns.

     

    Smiley


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Paulo_Rangel_Melo:

    Blame RC R8 for my horrible Paint "photoshop"

    LOL

    Hey... Smiley

    Smiley


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Maybe someone would like to hear what will happen with 992 turbo???

    992 Turbo 580 hp

    992 Turbo S 670 hp

    and maybe 992 Turbo GTS with 700 hp, 0-100 km/h in 2.7 sec., 0-200 km/h in 8.4 and top speed limited to 330 km/h

     


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    ALDO:

    Maybe someone would like to hear what will happen with 992 turbo???

    992 Turbo 580 hp

    992 Turbo S 670 hp

    and maybe 992 Turbo GTS with 700 hp, 0-100 km/h in 2.7 sec., 0-200 km/h in 8.4 and top speed limited to 330 km/h

     

    Thanks .. now these numbers are interesting!


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Massive power increase, for Porsche at least.

    Turbo technology and competitors make it possible.


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    Big increase if true... a 992 Turbo S with 670HP with the updated chasis and a part of those HP possibly coming from hydrid tech may give the mighty 991GT2RS a run for its money. Not that it really matters since they are totally different cars and one cannot substitute the other, but still..


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    670 hp would only happen with some sort of hybrid trick, meaning limited in range and use... Plus watch the competition do the same and for example a Ferrari 488 GTB equivalent jump yet another 50-100hp just with the hybrid tech. Basically Porsche will still be behind albeit maybe with better integration of the hybrid system from the 918 experience.


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    SciFrog:

    670 hp would only happen with some sort of hybrid trick, meaning limited in range and use... 

    Not really, it would be like in the Panamera Turbo S hybrid or 918,  implemented for performance not mileage. So the range is irrelevant since the hybrid tech is there to provide and instant extra HP, not for driving around on electric only, if that is what you want it for, you bought the wrong car, this is a 670HP 911 Turbo S not a Prius.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Not only the power will be higher...the price tag as well. Base price Turbo S will be substantially higher than now... angry


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Thanks for the heads-up, Aldo!

    I doubt that the 992 Turbo S/GTS will require any form of hybrid tech to get to these power numbers, if indeed they are true. It is far more likely to borrow some of the upgraded turbo tech from the 991 GT2 RS. 


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Mild hybrid seems to be the choice of system. Together with the 48V electrical.

    Mercedes already implemented a 48V P2 system in their new inline 6 M256 engine.

    The mild hybrid system not only add 22HP and 180lbs-ft of torque in bursts, it also drives a electric supercharger to supplement boost. It runs off a 1kw battery. 

     


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    No mild hybrid or an other hybrid technology. Just turbo.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Prices increases boooooooo - porsche should not go crazy increasing them. 

    ‘Only take a big market correction and interest rates for customers to thin out. Oh like the last few days....


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    ALDO:

    No mild hybrid or an other hybrid technology. Just turbo.

    Are you sure? I heard something different. 


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Woah, I really like how the 992 is coming together, but that turbo's wing really is an eyesore when seen from behind:


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