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    0-300-0Km/h test in Sport Auto

    Tomorrow's issue...

    997.2 Turbo is included in this test comparison!


    Re: 0-300-0Km/h test in Sport Auto

    Thanks for posting Smiley This will be an interesting SportAuto! Supertest of ZR1 and 0-300 test SmileySmileySmiley 


    Re: 0-300-0Km/h test in Sport Auto

    very interesting actually.....


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    that wiemann, looks really interesting from the rear, very nice !!!


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    Re: 0-300-0Km/h test in Sport Auto

    Any guesses on the 997.2?

    0-300 = 36.9...


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    JoeRockhead:

    Any guesses on the 997.2?

    0-300 = 36.9...

     

    I would not expect a number below 40s... (maybe very slightly below 40s but not more) Smiley


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    MKSGR:
    JoeRockhead:

    Any guesses on the 997.2?

    0-300 = 36.9...

     

    I would not expect a number below 40s... (maybe very slightly below 40s but not more) Smiley

     

    So do you think that the 997.1TT that achieved the 40.7-second time a couple of years ago was a very healthy example?Smiley


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    Probably yes Smiley Plus: Mk2 just got 20hp more and PDK. That cannot make up for a major improvement - if I had to guess Smiley


    Re: 0-300-0Km/h test in Sport Auto

    0-100 km/h:

    3.1 s - Porsche 997.2 Turbo PDK, 500 PS/1606 kg
    3.2 s - Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SV, 670 PS/1751 kg
    3.6 s - Ruf Rt12 S, 685 PS/1608 kg
    3.9 s - Gumpert Apollo, 700 PS/1148 kg
    3.9 s - Koenisgegg CCX-R, 806 PS/1473 km/h
    3.9 s - Wiesmann GT MF5, 507 PS/1421 kg
    4.0 s - Porsche GT3, 435 PS/1453 kg
    4.5 s - Aston Martin V12 Vantage, 517 PS/1709 kg
    4.7 s - Cadillac CTS-V, 564 PS/1955 kg

    0-200 km/h:

    9.5 s - Gumpert Apollo, 700 PS/1148 kg
    9.8 s - Koenigsegg CCX-R, 806 PS/1473 kg
    10.3s - Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SV, 670 PS/1751 kg
    10.6s - Ruf Rt12 S, 685 PS/1608 kg
    10.8s - Porsche 997.2 Turbo PDK, 500 PS/1606 kg
    11.6s - Wiesmann GT MF5, 507 PS/1421 kg
    12.8s - Porsche GT3, 435 PS/1453 kg
    14.0s - Aston Martin V12 Vantage, 517 PS/1709 kg
    14.3s - Cadillac CTS-V, 564 PS/1955 kg


    0-300 km/h:

    24.7s - Koenigsegg CCX-R, 806 PS/1473 kg
    26.7s - Gumpert Apollo, 700 PS/1148 kg
    27.3s - Ruf Rt12 S, 685 PS/1608 kg
    29.7s - Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SV, 670 PS/1751 kg
    40.6s - Wiesmann GT MF5, 507 PS/1421 kg
    41.9s - Porsche 997.2 Turbo PDK, 500 PS/1606 kg
    50.3s - Porsche GT3, 435 PS/1453 kg
    53.7s - Aston Martin V12 Vantage, 517 PS/1709 kg
    69.3s - Cadillac CTS-V, 564 PS/1955 kg


    As Crash pointed out 40.7s for old 997 Turbo manual means-very powerfull test car(likely way more then 500hp).


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    "As Crash pointed out 40.7s for old 997 Turbo manual means-very powerfull test car(likely way more then 500hp)."

    then the old 997TT manual 480hps is better of 997TT MK2 PDK 500hps "0-300km/h" ? is correct?


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    PorSchelover1:

    "As Crash pointed out 40.7s for old 997 Turbo manual means-very powerfull test car(likely way more then 500hp)."

    then the old 997TT manual 480hps is better of 997TT MK2 PDK 500hps "0-300km/h" ? is correct?

    Yes and no. Read also thread about it on 997 Turbo forum.
     


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    KresoF1:
    PorSchelover1:

    "As Crash pointed out 40.7s for old 997 Turbo manual means-very powerfull test car(likely way more then 500hp)."

    then the old 997TT manual 480hps is better of 997TT MK2 PDK 500hps "0-300km/h" ? is correct?

    Yes and no. Read also thread about it on 997 Turbo forum.

     

    Thanks!!! Smiley

     KresoF1 in your opinion 0-300km/h of  458 is 25-30s? is correct my impression? Smiley
     


     


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    Re: 0-300-0Km/h test in Sport Auto

    Honestly, 30s for 0-300km/h for 458 Italia is little bit too fast. I expect 33s-35s.


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    41.9s - Porsche 997.2 Turbo PDK, 500 PS/1606 kg

    Not what I would consider a step forward...


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    my guess 30-33, it accelerates up until 0-200 by factory numbers 0.6 secs faster then the 599, and ti has lower cg 0.33 compared to 0.34 of 599, and i guess it has a lower surface area, since its about 12cm lower,  300kg less weight should make up for the 50 or so hp the 599 has. So if th 599 was clocked at 33 sec, I'd say the 458 wll go below that not by much, but still less, that is if the conditions are the same as when the 599 was tested


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    so the new 997TT.2  didnt  any improve in performance, compared to the 997TT...

    seems like the only difference is the PDK in low speeds(0-100 and 0-200) due its very very fast changes...

    after that the 997.2 with only 20 hp MORE didnt a good job.... strange

     

    any guess?


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    Remember the new Turbo has a 7-speed PDK gearbox while the old one has a 6-speed manual, different gearing can account for the difference in time, while PDK has lower lower gears for acceleration, it also has higher higher gears for fuel economy.


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    Which is why it should have 530hp...


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    Porsche 911 Turbo PDK is slower from 200 to 300 than 997.1 Turbo due to gearing.

    It is starting be much slower since 5-6th gear in PDK vs 4-5th gear in manual vs 3-4th gear in TipTronic 


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    997.2 Turbo PDK is pretty quick. 0-200km/h faster than 997 GT2.

     


    Re: 0-300-0Km/h test in Sport Auto

    PorSchelover1:

    "As Crash pointed out 40.7s for old 997 Turbo manual means-very powerfull test car(likely way more then 500hp)."

    then the old 997TT manual 480hps is better of 997TT MK2 PDK 500hps "0-300km/h" ? is correct?


    Maybe conditions were not that good.

    As to 0-300km/h, Koenigsegg CCX-R is slower here than CCX in last Sport auto 0-300 test. Ruf RT12 S is here slower than regular RT12 in previous tests. 997.2 GT3 is slower than 997.1 GT3...

    0-100km/h and 0-200km/h figures are very good. 0-300km/h figures in this test are a little bit slow. All in all, this is much better than in AMS, where the results were really strange.  


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    Whoopsy:

    Remember the new Turbo has a 7-speed PDK gearbox while the old one has a 6-speed manual, different gearing can account for the difference in time, while PDK has lower lower gears for acceleration, it also has higher higher gears for fuel economy.


    SORRY , TOTTALLY WRONG!!!! Smiley

     

    PDK its the ultimate perfomance in straights!
    BTW the 7th gear of PDK is O/D,  so the ratios of manual 6speed and PDK  must be very  similar...

     

    in  no CONDITION, the PDK will have a disvantage vs a manual or a TIP(talking in straight)

    LIKE the test showed, IT WAS VERY VERY FAST in the 0 a 200km/h!!

    IMPRESSSIVE 10,8 seg!


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    Where are the 300-0km/h numbers?


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    Re: 0-300-0Km/h test in Sport Auto

    xandi911:
    Whoopsy:

    Remember the new Turbo has a 7-speed PDK gearbox while the old one has a 6-speed manual, different gearing can account for the difference in time, while PDK has lower lower gears for acceleration, it also has higher higher gears for fuel economy.


    SORRY , TOTTALLY WRONG!!!! Smiley

     

    PDK its the ultimate perfomance in straights!
    BTW the 7th gear of PDK is O/D,  so the ratios of manual 6speed and PDK  must be very  similar...

     

    in  no CONDITION, the PDK will have a disvantage vs a manual or a TIP(talking in straight)

    LIKE the test showed, IT WAS VERY VERY FAST in the 0 a 200km/h!!

    IMPRESSSIVE 10,8 seg!

     

    Actually, the manual does have the advantage in gearing for 6th gear, which is where both cars achieve 300km/h, overall ratio of 2.7176 vs 2.687.

    6-speed has ratios of 3.82, 2.14, 1.48, 1.18, 0.97, 0.79 with a final drive of 3.44

    Tip box has ratios of 3.59, 2.19, 1.41, 1, 0.83 with a final drive o 3.05

    From what I gathered, PDK has similar ratios for 1st and 2nd with the tip, shorter 3rd and 4th with 5th gear around the same as 4th gear of tip, so around 1:1, 6th & 7th are overdrives at 0.881 and 0.617, and I believe the final drive ratio is also similar to the tip, around 3.05.

    6-speed achieve top speed at 6th gear, same for PDK while Tip does it in 5th for obvious reasons.

    WIth seamless shifts and much closer ratios, the PDK for sure have the edge on initial accelerations, which was reflected in the times for the slower runs. But it does lose the edge at the top end because of longer gearing. However, with an extra 20hp, it should have helped to even out the ratio deficit. So the time still looks bad for the new car.

     


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    Here is the full article in PDF format: SportAuto 10/2009

    I am impressed by the Cargraphic tuned 997 Turbo:

    1st place 0-100 km/h (3.0 sec)
    1st place 0-200 km/h (9.1 sec)
    2nd place 0-300 km/h (23.8 sec)
    2nd place 0-300-0 km/h (30.8 sec)


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    I am disappointed with the V12 Vantage acceleration times.  It seems that Aston fails to deliver top-of-the class performer even with their most extrem model. 


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    I'm not quite sold on the 997 Turbo MkII 0-200 kph performance figure, 10.8 seconds are pretty impressive but also very unlikely in my opinion. I can't say if Porsche pulled "something" here but although the PDK improved acceleration in the lower speed range, I'n not sure that the difference can be THAT impressive, especially in the 100 to 200 kph range.

    I guess we need, like always, to wait for real life experiences.


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    Re: 0-300-0Km/h test in Sport Auto

    RC:

    I'm not quite sold on the 997 Turbo MkII 0-200 kph performance figure, 10.8 seconds are pretty impressive but also very unlikely in my opinion. I can't say if Porsche pulled "something" here but although the PDK improved acceleration in the lower speed range, I'n not sure that the difference can be THAT impressive, especially in the 100 to 200 kph range.

    I guess we need, like always, to wait for real life experiences.


     

    As to that 100-200km/h range, if old 997.1 Turbo with manual was able to post 100-200km/h in 8,5s (numerous tests, once did 8,2s) I reckon the new one, with added power and PDK can really do 7,7s as here. 100-200km/h time seems OK to me. I agree that 0-200km/h in 10,8s is insane but that is mainly due to that crazy launch, 0-100km/h in 3,1s.


    Re: 0-300-0Km/h test in Sport Auto

    RC:

    I'm not quite sold on the 997 Turbo MkII 0-200 kph performance figure, 10.8 seconds are pretty impressive but also very unlikely in my opinion. I can't say if Porsche pulled "something" here but although the PDK improved acceleration in the lower speed range, I'n not sure that the difference can be THAT impressive, especially in the 100 to 200 kph range.

    I guess we need, like always, to wait for real life experiences.


    Hmm... Official figure for 997.2 Turbo PDK is 3.4s for 0-100km/h(SC+) and 11.3s for 0-200km/h(SC+). 0-300km/h in 41.9s is actually slower then Porsche expected(they expected below 40s).

    You will see some impressive numbers from forthcoming tests in AB Sportscar edition, AZ and AMS. Also just a hint for you-forthcoming Supertest(in few issues) results of 997.2 Turbo PDK are much better then the ones from 997.1 Turbo manual.

     

    BTW, next issue of Sport Auto-Panamera Turbo Supertest.


    Re: 0-300-0Km/h test in Sport Auto

    Funny thing, by the way, there have been 17 cars on the first-page picture but only 14 of them have been tested.

    Gumpert brought two Apollos, Corvette provided the ZR1 as well and there appears a modified Ford Mustang in the background. What´s the story?

    As interesting as these numbers are, I find it odd to see additional cars on the lineup whereas there (lack of) performance is not mentioned in any way.


     
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